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Assalamu alaykum

Last juma'ah salah 4 youngsters came to masjid with bermuda pants upto the knees, T-shirt, no cap. The musallees at the masjid were staring at them.

This hurt me a lot. Is this the future. Who is responsible for this. It is not they were ignorants, I closely watched them they had knowledge of Islam.

Were the shorts covering the knee caps sufficiently? Because knee caps are from the awrah of man, and must be covered, especially during salaat.

[Knqzjbmf]

Assalamu alaykum

Last juma'ah salah 4 youngsters came to masjid with bermuda pants upto the knees, T-shirt, no cap. The musallees at the masjid were staring at them.

This hurt me a lot. Is this the future. Who is responsible for this. It is not they were ignorants, I closely watched them they had knowledge of Islam.

Sorry, I did not totally understand. Did the 4 youngsters in bermuda pants hurt you? Or the looks of the musallees?

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Sorry, I did not totally understand. Did the 4 youngsters in bermuda pants hurt you? Or the looks of the musallees?

Assalamu alaykum

The 4 youngsters. I don't have any complaint against these youngsters. What hurt me is the source of knowledge they have acquired from. They were aware that the salah is valid with bermuda pant.

[erelvenewmeva]

It's not haraam to wear shorts to the masjid.

[AntonayPina]

Assalamu alaykum

Last juma'ah salah 4 youngsters came to masjid with bermuda pants upto the knees, T-shirt, no cap. The musallees at the masjid were staring at them.

This hurt me a lot. Is this the future. Who is responsible for this. It is not they were ignorants, I closely watched them they had knowledge of Islam.

I would have husn dhann on them that when they do sujud or sit between the sujud the pants are still covering the aurat. Unless specifically you see they are not, then the salah was invalidated. It is good enough in the west that these youngsters come to the masjid, and we should make dua for all of us instead of judging them.

[TerAlelmlor]

....the validity of salah is dependent on the satr being covered during all positions, however I personally believe not wear those clothes for salah which they cant wear in front of their grandfather or any other respected figure

[KLhdfskja]

Jeans were once considered edgy and hippy... but it gradually became respectable for young men.

(Historically Jeans were the clothing of miners and labourers... so it was only edgy for middle class folk to wear)

Now it depends on the cut, I guess. They had to spoil good Jeans with that ridiculous sagging style.

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Assalamu alaykum

I have all the respect for these 4 youngsters. I am happy that they are in the masjid. But as I said in OP, who is responsible for this.

We have a case here:

1. Most of the musallees in the masjid have less islamic knowledge than these youngsters.

2. the musallees don't know why they are wearing the white kurta, pajama, white skull cap, itr, surma. (they have come prepared for the juma'h). They are just following what others doing.

3. These four youngsters have the knowledge that if your cover the awrah the salah is valid. And also they were taught that there is no ISLAMIC dress code. Whoever has taught about awrah to them also would have taught of aadab of going to the masjid. The zeenath tafseer also would have been taught.

So I do the dua "Allahumm innee awoozu bika bi-ilmil laa yanfa'a"

I read this in Ma'riful Quran:

Ya banee adama khuthoo zeenatakum AAinda kulli masjidin wakuloo waishraboo wala tusrifoo innahu la yuhibbu almusrifeena

O children of Adam, take along what looks good on you to every mosque, And eat and drink and do not be extravagant. Surely, He does not like the extravagant. [7:31]

A Good Dress for Salah

The verse brings out another rule of conduct. By calling dress: Zinah (adornment), the hint given is that the preferred practice in Salah is that one should not limit himself to only covering his body functionally, but choose to wear what adorns, looks becoming - of course, within one's means. It was the habit of Sayyidna
Hasan Radiallahu anhu that he would wear his best dress at time of Salah saying Allah tala loves beauty, therefore, I dress myself beautifully to please my Lord for He has said "take along what looks good on you to every mosque. So, we can see that this verse proves two things, that covering the body properly is obligatory in Salah, and that it is recommended and merit-worthy to wear a neat, clean and good dress, within means.
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As for this injuction, it is related to the obligation of covering the body properly (which is sine qua non for Salah - that is, it stands as if not performed at all. And since what is required in salah is not the functional covering of the body alone, instead, the advice given is to wear a dress which looks good on one (Zeenah), therefore, for men to make salah bare-headed, or doing it with shoulders or elbown open, is makruh (reprehensible or disliked) - whether the shirt itself be half-sleeved, or has been rolled up, the salah remains makrudh after all. Similarly, salah remains makruh in a dress one would not prefer to wear before friends, or in public, as something unbecoming - for example, wearing an undershirt alone - without a shirt, even if it has full sleeves; or, skipping the wearing of a cap and making do with some cloth cloth piece or a tiny handkerchief knotted or tucked around the head. When no regular person would like to appear before friends or others in that head-bear state, how wuld that become desirable as a mode of appearance before Allah, the master of all the worlds? that salah is makruh when offered with bare head, shoulders and elbows has been inferred from the word: 'zeenah' (what looks good) of this Quranic verse, and also from the clarifications of the Holy Prophet SAS.

[Foriaelalse]

Here in Dubai every Jumaah you have people like the following in our Masjid:

1) mostly in their twenties, come to Masjid driving fast cars
2) Will wear pyjamas, three quarter pants or shorts barely covering the knees
3) However as they will wear the pants very low down, when they bow down, their u********* would be visible and in some cases, even worse.
4) They will have a very slouching walking demeanor.
5) Most of such people at least in our Masjid are unfortunately Levant Arabs
6) And in the occasional cases when others try to advise them, they stare rudely with a "mind your own business" look

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Assalamu alaykum

And in the occasional cases when others try to advise them, they stare rudely with a "mind your own business" look They will say:
Also we know Quran and hadeeth better than you!!!!!!

[Seesspoxy]

yes with a smattering of knowledge people think that they have become muftis and alims. They hear a hadeeth and then go about pronouncing verdicts on everyone. This is the absolute opposite of a knowledgeable Muslim. I have seen this specially in Arab countries where practically nobody takes care of covering their head during salaah. Only those who are wearing the arab dress have a kufiyyah or a cap. Look at pictures of ppl praying in tahreer square or palestine or even saudi arabia and dubai.. except people from indian sub continent rarely do arabs cover their heads.

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Assalamu alaykum

May be one day we can expect the khateebs and Imams may wear the same bermudas and T-shirts with "LOVE USA" on it.

Recently in India in a madrasah the dress code for the students is track suite. (not the long kurta and pajamah or lungi). (this is not hearsay, our friends personally visited) A faarig from these kind of madrasah comes to our masjid with track suite on.

[pavilionnotebook]

Is wearing proper T-shirt to Mosque ok.? ? ?
Not the ones with pictures or anything, just plain T-shirts.

[AntonayPina]

Back in the days when people are poor, they don't even have a shirt to wear (especially in the hot climate countries). In Shafi'i, not wearing a shirt during prayer is makruh and even if you don't have a shirt (if I'm not mistaken), you can have a piece a rope on your neck (as a shirt) and still you can pray. The only thing that you need to cover is from your navel to your knees (inclusive) and make sure that the area is covered during salah. That's why it is important as well for the masjid to provide sarung (or lungi) or any piece of cloth in the masjid, so that if you see these brothers not properly attired, you can suggest him to wrap himself with the cloth.

Wallahu a'lam.

[erelvenewmeva]

Is wearing proper T-shirt to Mosque ok.? ? ?
Not the ones with pictures or anything, just plain T-shirts.

haraam!!!

[pavilionnotebook]

haraam!!!

According to All Madhabs?

Edit : I found this in Sunnipath
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...ID=1039&CATE=4

Praying In T-Shirt, head Uncovered, Long Shorts

Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani
Question:

1) Is it makrooh tahrimi or tanzeehi to pray in a garment which exposes your forearm i.e. t-shirt? I have heard some Indo/Pak people say it is makrooh.

2) Is it also makrooh not to cover the head and wear long shorts which cover your knees but expose your shins?


Answer:
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Walaikum assalam,

It is either somewhat disliked (makruh tanzihan) or better not to pray in a garment which exposes your forearm. It is not sinful, though, so while one should not do it, it is not something to ‘make a big deal of’ with others.

It is somewhat disliked to pray with one’s head uncovered or dressed in clothes not worn in front of respectable (religious) people. [Ibn Abidin] An example mentioned by fuqaha is praying in one’s pajamas.

This too, though, is not sinful, so one should only advise people against it if one thinks that the advice will be of benefit.

Also, it is only the act that is disliked. It remains obligatory to pray, even in this state.

Wassalam,

Faraz Rabbani.

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Also this, which mentions about rolling up shirt sleeves and half sleeves inside Salah and outside Salah:
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=2108&CATE=137

Question:
Is it wrong to wear short-sleeved shirts?

Answer:
In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

Generally it is permissible to wear short/half sleeve shirt or ghallabiyya unless there is some other element of impermissibility, such as the clothing is made of silk, or it is the exclusive dress of the unbelievers (kuffar), etc…

However, the Fuqaha mention that it is prohibitively disliked (makruh tahriman) to offer Salat with rolled-up sleeves, for it is contrary to proper etiquettes (adab) of Salat. If one entered Salat in such a state, then it would be better to un-roll them with minimizing the movements as much as possible.

Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“It is Makruh to enter into Salat with the sleeves rolled-up……and to roll-up the sleeves whilst in Salat will invalidate the prayer, for it will be considered to be excessive movement”.
(Radd al-Muhtar, 1/ 640).

As for praying in a shirt or Ghallabiyya (jubba) that has short sleeves (and not rolled-up), it would seem that there is nothing wrong in doing so. However, if it is considered to be from the lowly cloths that one is ashamed of wearing in front of respectable people, then it would be Makruh to pray in it.

Imam al-Haskafi (Allah have mercy on him) stated in his Durr al-Mukhtar

“(And it is disliked to pray in lowly clothes) that one wears at home… if one has others, otherwise it is not disliked.” (See: Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr al-Mukhtar, 1/640).

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK
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[Seesspoxy]

haraam!!!

how ????

[Seesspoxy]

Assalamu alaykum

May be one day we can expect the khateebs and Imams may wear the same bermudas and T-shirts with "LOVE USA" on it.

Recently in India in a madrasah the dress code for the students is track suite. (not the long kurta and pajamah or lungi). (this is not hearsay, our friends personally visited) A faarig from these kind of madrasah comes to our masjid with track suite on.

which madrasa is that brother ?

[LsrSRVxR]

Take this scenario, a guy comes to pray in masjid in sleeveless and shorts covering the knee cap. The same guy goes to his non muslim manager's home, neatly dressed formals, full hand, ironed clothes. Is it shirk?