[JackieC]

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[pavilionnotebook]

The sciences of hadith is very very complicated. Daeef(weak) Hadith is NOT EQUAL to False or fabricated. Contrary to the common layman belief, The analysis of the 'chain of transmitters' ie the sanad is NOT the only criteria to accept or reject hadith. I shall quote from Reliance of the Traveller:

WEAK HADITHS
w48.1 Weak (da'if) is a term for any hadith with a chain of transmission containing a narrator whose memory was poor, one who was not trustworthy, not identified by name, or for other reasons. But weak cannot simply be equated with false. Were this the case, mere analysis of the transmitters would be the universal criterion for acceptance or rejection of particular rulings based on hadiths. While scholars do use this measure in upgrading the work of preceding generations of legal authorities, they have not employed it as a simplistic expedient to eliminate every piece of legal information that is connected with a weak hadith, because of various considerations.

-Reliance of the Traveller

[JackieC]

Assalamu alaykum

Alhamdulillah a good analysis. Jazakamullahu khair.

[BundEnhamma]

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http://www.youtube.com/user/hanafifi...24/BKY6ESuJHUU

http://www.youtube.com/user/hanafifi...23/Z_wyTR5gLYM

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I heard a Shaykh say something like "dha'eef is rigorously authenticated to be unfabricated"

[Redys]

Assalamu alaykum

I was reading english translation of Sunan-an-Nisaai, I came across these two ahadeeth

Sunan-an-Nasai-i Vol-2 (English translation)

The Book of the At-Tabiq...(page 135)

Chapter 36. Raising the Hands before prostrating:


1086. It was narrated from Malik bin Al-Huwairith that he saw the prophet SAS raise his hands when praying, when he bowed, when he raised his head from bowing, when he prostrated and when he raised his head from prostrating, until they were in level with the top part of his ears. (SAHIH)

1087. It was narrated from Malik bin Al-Huwairith that he saw the Prophet SAS raise his hand, a similar report (DA'IF)

If we read these two ahadeeth; one hadeeth is saheeh (authentic) and other hadeeth with the similar content (matan) is dhaeef (fabricated/weak/non-authentic).

Can members on SF comment on this.

Note: the book was downloaded from a salafee site:

never knew before...jazk for this infmn..

so all daeef hadeeth are sahih and vice-versa..

[JackieC]

Assalamu alaykum

so all daeef hadeeth are sahih and vice-versa. It is not vice versa.

The (raawee) narrator in the chain is dhaeef, but the matan (content) can be true and authentic. But a saheeh hadeeth is always saheeh.

[Sellorect]

Nazm ud-Durar The Sharah Of Nukhbat un Nazr By Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqalani is an important work on the science of Hadith. Hazrat Maulana Aashiq Ilahi Aryarwi sahab, Fazil Darul Uloom Deoband has written its Sharah Nuhatun Nazr. The book is about 285 pages. should read with some alim

Hafiz Ibn Hajar Asqalani has given 10 qualities in a Narrator that makes him Dhaef..

have posted some scans..


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wa assalam..

[treawittelf]

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http://www.youtube.com/user/hanafifi...24/BKY6ESuJHUU

http://www.youtube.com/user/hanafifi...23/Z_wyTR5gLYM

Alhamduallah. May Allah bless Sheikh ul hadith Mufti Abu Nauman Abdur Raheem. Ameen.

[Redys]

It is not vice versa.

The (raawee) narrator in the chain is dhaeef, but the matan (content) can be true and authentic. But a saheeh hadeeth is always saheeh.

jazk. for the correction..

as it is mentioned above dhaeefs hadiths are authentic..but the question is fabricated hadiths are also known as as dhaeef hadith..so how to differentiate between Authentic dhaeef and fabricated dhaeef..

[pavilionnotebook]

as it is mentioned above dhaeefs hadiths are authentic..but the question is fabricated hadiths are also known as as dhaeef hadith..so how to differentiate between Authentic dhaeef and fabricated dhaeef..

There is nothing such as authentic dhaeef and fabricated dhaeef. Daeef is Daeef, weak. The degree of weakness may vary. A dhaeef hadith can be used even in ahkam(rulings) sometimes. Sister, hadith sciences are very complicated. Its better to watch the video posted in the first page. It will give us a small idea.

[Redys]

There is nothing such as authentic dhaeef and fabricated dhaeef. Daeef is Daeef, weak. The degree of weakness may vary. A dhaeef hadith can be used even in ahkam(rulings) sometimes. Sister, hadith sciences are very complicated. Its better to watch the video posted in the first page. It will give us a small idea.

but what @a.sharf mentioned did make sense though... he categorized them and showed the clue how to figure out... do u disagree with him.