[ansarigf]

Asalamu Alaykum. Would anyone try doing his best and answer these questions?

I wish to know who was Dhul Qarnain? (historically, not religiously)
I mean we know when the prohets died and lived and we know for how many years, we also know that Dhul Qarnain knew Abraham so why don't we know what time Dhul Qarnain lived?

Also, there goes a lot of thoughts about him being Alexander the Great, or Cyrus, and other guys. Also the gate of Ya'Jooj and Ma'jooj.

How come we haven't seen it if it's so big? And why can't we see Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj with so advanced stuff, ain't they huge things? And ain't they 999 times more than humans?

Some people see they are frozen up in the north pole and stuff like that, but what do you guys think?

Ibn-e-Battuta thought it was the Great Wall of China, and some used Gog and Magog as metaphors for the Mongolian Tatar invasion of Genghis Khan.

So is there any brother who can explain this?

[pavilionnotebook]

Also the gate of Ya'Jooj and Ma'jooj.

How come we haven't seen it if it's so big? And why can't we see Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj with so advanced stuff, ain't they huge things? And ain't they 999 times more than humans?

brother.

Its Allah the Almighty's wish to conceal them from us until its the right time. So it is indeed concealed.

As for Dhul Qarnain, the historical facts are unimportant, thats why its not mentioned much in the Quran and Hadith. Whats important is the lessons from it.

[kanchouska]

Asalamu Alaykum. Would anyone try doing his best and answer these questions?

I wish to know who was Dhul Qarnain? (historically, not religiously)
I mean we know when the prohets died and lived and we know for how many years, we also know that Dhul Qarnain knew Abraham so why don't we know what time Dhul Qarnain lived?

Also, there goes a lot of thoughts about him being Alexander the Great, or Cyrus, and other guys. Also the gate of Ya'Jooj and Ma'jooj.

How come we haven't seen it if it's so big? And why can't we see Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj with so advanced stuff, ain't they huge things? And ain't they 999 times more than humans?

Some people see they are frozen up in the north pole and stuff like that, but what do you guys think?

Ibn-e-Battuta thought it was the Great Wall of China, and some used Gog and Magog as metaphors for the Mongolian Tatar invasion of Genghis Khan.

So is there any brother who can explain this?

We do not know with certainty who Dhul Qurnain was.
Nor does Belief require us to know who he was in history.
He was NOT Greek king Alexander of Macedonia.


As brother Amr mentioned, Allah has concealed Gog Magog until He chooses to reveal them.

If I may offer some advice:

1) first, there are matters which are certain and clear and matters which are certain but unclear and there are matters which are uncertain and unclear. When it comes to knowing about the future, or the Unseen/Ghaib, revelation is the only certain source.

2)All matters of the future should begin with Revelation from Allah. However, some matters Allah (SWT) leaves certain but unclear, such as the whereabouts and exact exposure of Gog Magog. It is certain that Gog Magog will come out. It is unclear when exactly or from where.

3) We humans should not preoccupy ourselves with too much speculation about the Ghaib, like what do Houri women look like, will they cook meals for us, is there a jinn in my soup, etc. There is plenty of obligations for us to deal with in the known world.

4)From ahadith, there are various descriptions of Gog Magog which allow for people to speculate about them.
For example, why do you think you should see the metal wall/barrier of Dhul Qurnain?
From the descriptions of the ahadith, everytime they dig a hole, it closes up. This indicates that it is either dirt, sand, or snow which is surrounding the metal barrier. And metal usuall corrodes, called oxidation, over time. However, cold temperatures usually associated with frozen environments, or high altitudes, are known to stop oxidation. Metal airplane parts from nearly 100 years ago have been found in glaciers in near perfect condition.

From this, one can speculate that the metal barrier is either in high altitude or in a snowy, possibly permanently snow covered region.

And as for the whereabouts of Gog Magog, it is possible that they are underground. According to ahadith, they are said to have red hair, tiny eyes, live beyond the barrier. From what is known of ancient primitive peoples, many lived in caves. Red hair is common in humans who have little exposure to sunlight. This may imply that they are not exposed to sunlight, suggesting that they live underground. So if they are underground, the metal barrier of Dhul Qurnain could be at the entrance of a cave or at a mountain pass, therefore not normally visible.

All this is speculation. However, as global warming continues, so too is the melting of regions of the planet once covered in permafrost and frozen. This has revealed all kinds of things trapped in ice, including mammoth carcasses, airplane crash parts and their mummified/frozen casualties, even new shipping routes have opened across the Arctic which was once a frozen wastland. Its pure speculation, but within 100 years or so, there could be a lot of things once covered in snow that are exposed to warming climates, including the metal barrier of Dhul Qurnain.

and Allah knows best.

[LClan439]

Asalamu Alaykum. Would anyone try doing his best and answer these questions?

I wish to know who was Dhul Qarnain? (historically, not religiously)
I mean we know when the prohets died and lived and we know for how many years, we also know that Dhul Qarnain knew Abraham so why don't we know what time Dhul Qarnain lived?

Also, there goes a lot of thoughts about him being Alexander the Great, or Cyrus, and other guys. Also the gate of Ya'Jooj and Ma'jooj.

How come we haven't seen it if it's so big? And why can't we see Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj with so advanced stuff, ain't they huge things? And ain't they 999 times more than humans?

Some people see they are frozen up in the north pole and stuff like that, but what do you guys think?

Ibn-e-Battuta thought it was the Great Wall of China, and some used Gog and Magog as metaphors for the Mongolian Tatar invasion of Genghis Khan.

So is there any brother who can explain this?

Dhul qarnyan was at the time of Ibrahim AW, That is 4000 Years ago or 2000 B.C, It wasn't alexander the great Nor cyrus, Now this is my conclusion of who Dhul Qarnyan is, and remember that allah swt Didn't mention him By name But gave us clues, My Guess is and allah Knows best is its one of the Early Kings who was in mesoptomia, Either Hamurabi or Sargon the great Of akkad. Both were around that time and both had kingdoms at its peak were regarded as almost the whole known world Then, and most importantly Both seems to BE Around the time of Nimord The tyrant King who Challenged Ibrahim AS, Now if i have to Guess i would say It's sargon The great for few Reasons One of them is he it was only after he died his empire Rebeled and broken up something corroseponding with what we Gather of Dhul al qarnayn, Another is a hadith i read (Which i can't find Now) Stating That a Tribe once lived In western Arabia are decendents of the same Tribe Dhul qarnyan, The tribe called Aga3ez Who spoke Geez identical Language to Ancient Akkadians, Agazians Trace their Lineage to Mesoptomia, The elamites Depicted Akkadians the same people as the Agazians who Migrated and lived in western Arabia, Never Mind The agazians This Link Confirmed My suspicion about Sargin the Great, If you Are wondering about the agazian Tribe they have melted Into western Arabia and East Africa, Many believe the word Hijaz In western Arabia is actually derived from that tribe, But like i said That is My theory and Allah Knows all. One more Thing Sargon the great in the only King who ventured Beyond Anatolia to the north (Today Turkey) which makes him a candidate to reach the cacuas and Build the wall In today's Georgia.

Gog and magog are ancient Khazarians who were on the other side of the Caucauses mountain, they were Released into the world population During The prophet Pbuh days Through many waves till this day, many of them today are European "ashkenzi" jews and some Christians as well, They are of Turkic Origin and Allah swt has claimed that they are the strongest and smartest among Humans That No human Can Defeat them Except allah swt the almighty, Somehow though Thanks To allah swt Mercy he also made them Compete with Each other and clash Giving Muslims a breathing space every now and then, Today they are Divided Between The west of Europe + America and Isreal (Magog) and Russia (Gog), Through out history you would see that If one is attacking Muslims somehow The other Indirectly Support Muslims, Even Though Both Hate Muslims somehow Allah swt made them Hate eachother to the point they would forget their primary Target for a chance to weaken the other, and when they were Certain to Unite somehow Allah swt the master planner Ruined that plan with a Figure Called " napolean Bonparte" who messed up the plan and even marched to moscow then fought the british. There is a hadith which states that The muslims would be in a big war Allied with one of them against the other and they will be on the losing Side ( I presume with todays Events with Russia (Maybe China) against Nato/Isreal and America), Russia will be destroyed But not before they Damage The Gogs and i suspect Nukes would be used, After that The Dajjal will appear Followed By the mahdi and the dajjal will be killed When issa AS appears, then the remaining Gog and possibly the magog who after losing the war will be forced to Join the allaince would try to attack the muslims that is when Allah swt would Execute His promise and Allah swt Promise Is no Lie. (Sorry In advance for the mis-spelling i was Typing In a hurry)


PS the reason In my opinion That allah swt Didn't make it Clear who Dhul al qarnyan was is maybe because Finding out who was dhul al qarnyan Then would Tell them who are the gog and magog and since they weren't released when The prophet Muhammed pbuh when asked By the jews maybe allah swt didn't want to give them even a hint of the end of days, But now since they are released Guessing who it is in more irrelevant since the gog and magog are released through many waves and any day could be the last day, I suspect the day It is confirmed who he was Is the day you brace yourself for the End of times, But allah Knows Best and he has the Knowledge of The end time alone.

[RaicickKida]

interesting place and artefacts




http://eyakutia.com/2010/03/mysterie...lley-of-death/

[Forexampleee]

Dhul qarnyan was at the time of Ibrahim AW, That is 4000 Years ago or 2000 B.C, It wasn't alexander the great Nor cyrus, Now this is my conclusion of who Dhul Qarnyan is, and remember that allah swt Didn't mention him By name But gave us clues, My Guess is and allah Knows best is its one of the Early Kings who was in mesoptomia, Either Hamurabi or Sargon the great Of akkad. Both were around that time and both had kingdoms at its peak were regarded as almost the whole known world Then, and most importantly Both seems to BE Around the time of Nimord The tyrant King who Challenged Ibrahim AS, Now if i have to Guess i would say It's sargon The great for few Reasons One of them is he it was only after he died his empire Rebeled and broken up something corroseponding with what we Gather of Dhul al qarnayn, Another is a hadith i read (Which i can't find Now) Stating That a Tribe once lived In western Arabia are decendents of the same Tribe Dhul qarnyan, The tribe called Aga3ez Who spoke Geez identical Language to Ancient Akkadians, Agazians Trace their Lineage to Mesoptomia, The elamites Depicted Akkadians the same people as the Agazians who Migrated and lived in western Arabia, Never Mind The agazians This Link Confirmed My suspicion about Sargin the Great, If you Are wondering about the agazian Tribe they have melted Into western Arabia and East Africa, Many believe the word Hijaz In western Arabia is actually derived from that tribe, But like i said That is My theory and Allah Knows all. One more Thing Sargon the great in the only King who ventured Beyond Anatolia to the north (Today Turkey) which makes him a candidate to reach the cacuas and Build the wall In today's Georgia.

Gog and magog are ancient Khazarians who were on the other side of the Caucauses mountain, they were Released into the world population During The prophet Pbuh days Through many waves till this day, many of them today are European "ashkenzi" jews and some Christians as well, They are of Turkic Origin and Allah swt has claimed that they are the strongest and smartest among Humans That No human Can Defeat them Except allah swt the almighty, Somehow though Thanks To allah swt Mercy he also made them Compete with Each other and clash Giving Muslims a breathing space every now and then, Today they are Divided Between The west of Europe + America and Isreal (Magog) and Russia (Gog), Through out history you would see that If one is attacking Muslims somehow The other Indirectly Support Muslims, Even Though Both Hate Muslims somehow Allah swt made them Hate eachother to the point they would forget their primary Target for a chance to weaken the other, and when they were Certain to Unite somehow Allah swt the master planner Ruined that plan with a Figure Called " napolean Bonparte" who messed up the plan and even marched to moscow then fought the british. There is a hadith which states that The muslims would be in a big war Allied with one of them against the other and they will be on the losing Side ( I presume with todays Events with Russia (Maybe China) against Nato/Isreal and America), Russia will be destroyed But not before they Damage The Gogs and i suspect Nukes would be used, After that The Dajjal will appear Followed By the mahdi and the dajjal will be killed When issa AS appears, then the remaining Gog and possibly the magog who after losing the war will be forced to Join the allaince would try to attack the muslims that is when Allah swt would Execute His promise and Allah swt Promise Is no Lie. (Sorry In advance for the mis-spelling i was Typing In a hurry)


PS the reason In my opinion That allah swt Didn't make it Clear who Dhul al qarnyan was is maybe because Finding out who was dhul al qarnyan Then would Tell them who are the gog and magog and since they weren't released when The prophet Muhammed pbuh when asked By the jews maybe allah swt didn't want to give them even a hint of the end of days, But now since they are released Guessing who it is in more irrelevant since the gog and magog are released through many waves and any day could be the last day, I suspect the day It is confirmed who he was Is the day you brace yourself for the End of times, But allah Knows Best and he has the Knowledge of The end time alone.

Its incredible how close our ideas are. This is such a topic I think of a lot. Did you see my post in brothers section regarding this?

Remember the hadith about the hole in the wall of gog n magog - who knows if a good number of them got out of that hole?

Ashkenazi - eastern european jews which btw are 85-90% of jews today. Are these true jews?

[hiedeemom]

Yajooj and Majooj are the nation which has been described physically by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم as they have flat wide faces like brandished shields and flat small noses, and small eyes. this is a description of the Mongol Turkic races in Central Asia. They come out in waves and come down from every high slope. They are in such large numbers that out of every 1000 people, 999 will go to hell, and those 999 are from Yajooj and Majooj.

[interznakinfo]

Regarding not being to able to see/find Ya'Jooj Ma'jooj despite all our "abilities" in this day and age: It doesn't matter. They could be in front of my face right now, literally, all of the them, I could be sitting next to the wall, you could be sitting next to the wall. We could be sitting on the wall. It doesn't matter. Unless and until Allah wills for them to be shown, no one will be able to see them. Simple.

[hopertveyk]

This is the kind of thread that should not consume too much of ones time even though its fascinating to read .

Interesting to note though we are coming up with hypothesis to support indirectly the lack of evidence in our mind that such a tribe even exists.

I like to know what exactly the prophet saw said in his hadith.

Another interesting thing I like to know more about is Hazrat Khizir .... who was he ? whats his history and role before the prophets
time and afterwards till the end of time ?

Whats his job description ?

[hiedeemom]

This is the kind of thread that should not consume too much of ones time even though its fascinating to read .

Interesting to note though we are coming up with hypothesis to support indirectly the lack of evidence in our mind that such a tribe even exists.

I like to know what exactly the prophet saw said in his hadith.

Another interesting thing I like to know more about is Hazrat Khizir .... who was he ? whats his history and role before the prophets
time and afterwards till the end of time ?

Whats his job description ?

Hazrat Khizr (alaihi salaam) was a wise person that Allah sent Hazrat Musa (alaihi salaam) to gain wisdom from. His story is mentioned in surah al Kahf. He has passed away long time ago. Some people think that he is the same person as Melchizadek mentioned in the bible, but Allah knows best about it.

[hopertveyk]

Hazrat Khizr (alaihi salaam) was a wise person that Allah sent Hazrat Musa (alaihi salaam) to gain wisdom from. His story is mentioned in surah al Kahf. He has passed away long time ago. Some people think that he is the same person as Melchizadek mentioned in the bible, but Allah knows best about it.

I am aware of the basic knowledge we have about Hazrat Khizir from Quran but was more interested about sources that might put in depth analysis like the one above about Yajooj and Majooj .

[LClan439]

Its incredible how close our ideas are. This is such a topic I think of a lot. Did you see my post in brothers section regarding this?

Remember the hadith about the hole in the wall of gog n magog - who knows if a good number of them got out of that hole?

Ashkenazi - eastern european jews which btw are 85-90% of jews today. Are these true jews?

We must Think The same Brother/sister

The hole of the Gorge Dam is a symbolic Sign in my opinion, Meaning once the hole was Created is when the Gog and magog would spread hence they first spread northward towards Russia. some of them today are jewish and some of them are christians and ofcourse few of them convert to islam alhamdudliah. They are not Real jewish by ancestory but rather converted to judiasim to protect their kingdom which was kazaria from the islamic south and christian east since they practised paganism exactly what Kabalah Jews partially believe in that is why the orthodox jews reject them strongly.

[LClan439]

Yajooj and Majooj are the nation which has been described physically by the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم as they have flat wide faces like brandished shields and flat small noses, and small eyes. this is a description of the Mongol Turkic races in Central Asia. They come out in waves and come down from every high slope. They are in such large numbers that out of every 1000 people, 999 will go to hell, and those 999 are from Yajooj and Majooj.

The 999 out of 1000 i thought is a reference to their followers Included, this age we are in is the Influence of Gog and magog and who ever follows their way of Life is among them Meaning is an arab Joins in gambling, recieving Interest, practising fornication outside marriage etc is following their path and not the path of islam. Our prophet pbuh made it clear that if you follow thier path you are among them which sadly in this age and Era you need a strong Iman and aviodance to stay on the islamic path, No wonder it was said A muslim person who practises islam the same way as a muslim person in the era of the prophet pbuh would have much stronger Iman Due to the influences.

[Forexampleee]

Well I dont think I can say anything exact about them - the one shaykh I was listening to he was saying definite and exact things about them - I am on the fence about all that but lots of signs are there in the open about these people. Possibly the Khazaars and now Ashkenazi Jews are their relatives or share some ancestral lineage with Yajuj Majuj?

[LClan439]

Well I dont think I can say anything exact about them - the one shaykh I was listening to he was saying definite and exact things about them - I am on the fence about all that but lots of signs are there in the open about these people. Possibly the Khazaars and now Ashkenazi Jews are their relatives or share some ancestral lineage with Yajuj Majuj?

The Yajuj and majuj are combinations of European Jews and Christians, The ashkenazi are also decedent of the Yajuj and majuj. George W Bush The son Nickname in His college Illumnati Group was Magog. The khazaars are the decendants of Yajuj and majuj.

[ashleyjoseph]

Hadhrat Abu Hurairah Radi-Allahu anhu narrates that every day Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj break (dig) through the wall erected by Zul Qarnain Alayhi Salam until they reach the end of it to that extent that they can actually see the light on the other side. They then return (home) saying that 'We will break through tomorrow.' But Allah Ta'ala causes the wall to revert to its original thickness and the next day they start digging through the wall all over again, and this process continues each day until as long as Allah wills them to remain imprisoned. When Allah wishes them to be released, then at the end of the day they will say, "If Allah wills, tomorrow we will break through." The following day they will find the wall as they had left it the previous day (i.e. it will not have returned to its orginal state) and after breaking the remaining part of it they will emerge."

(Ahmad, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah)

Commenting on the above hadith, Allamah Ibn Arabi says, Three miracles are evident in this Hadith:

1.) It never occurs to these tribes that they must continue work during the night. After all, they are in such large numbers that they can easily delegate the work among themselves and work in shifts. But Allah does not allow this thought to occur to them.

2.) It never occurs to them that they can merely cross the mountains or scale the wall, which they can do through the aid of equipment and implements wich they possess in large numbers. According to a narration by Wahab ibn Munabbah it is known that these tribes are agriculturists and artisians possessing various types of equipment.

3.) The thought of saying "If Allah wills" never enters their minds and it will only occur to them to say it when Allah wills that they be released.

JazakAllah Khair

[hopertveyk]

Why is it so difficult for us to believe that there actually is such a tribe
behind mountains who will be released on the earth in the end of times .

Hypothesis is a way out of not able to rationalize what is said in the quran
and hadith.

As far as I know the time of Yajooj and majooj is described in hadith is
after the events of mahdi and hazrat isa in the last hours after the whole
world will be conquered by mahdi army and converted to islam .

So the yajooj and majooj being the mordern day euroasians or mongolic tribes do not stand to reason.

[zithromaxlinks]

I think this opinion was also held by Mawlana Anwar Shah Kashmiri (ra) that Ya'juj Ma'juj are already spreading fitnah on the earth. Their argument is that there is no solid text to say that YM must come at the end of time just before the DoJ.

Mufti Sajjad has written on this topic too in a book called Gog and Magog: A historical Analysis http://www.as-suffa.org/item/gog-magog.html

Here is an online piece by Mufti Sajjad addressed to Christians I think: http://www.scribd.com/sajad_muhammad...You-With-Jesus