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Old 03-13-2012, 06:46 AM   #21
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Shias should not be supported by Sunnis until they learn to educate themselves about Islam. Shias have been ridiculing the righteous beliefs of Sunnis for decades; why should we support them? The least we can do is help guide them and ask Allah to guide them as well.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:02 AM   #22
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hmmm didnt sistani issued fatwa of kufur on those who abused sahaba(R.A) and wives of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) . . . if he prohibited shias to stop abusing sahabas , then now what is the reason of fighting ?
I don't think he did such a thing (i.e. passed a fatwa of kufr). Furthermore, he hasn't rejected his predecessors who did such a thing and made it part of their religion to abuse the noble sahaba .
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:07 AM   #23
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are shia masjids allowed in saudi arabi? I read somewhere that the saudis don't allow the shia minority to practice their beliefs in public.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:17 AM   #24
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in that case Israel, rather than try their best to stop Iran getting nukes, should have gave them some of their own, so shia's can help them kill all Sunnis, so the actual facts dont add up bro.

and aren't Palestinians Arab too? last i saw was that Iran was sticking up for them when many sunni countries weren't
Iran does more for Palestine than the Gulf Arabs who are too busy counting their oil money,ha ha.
If the Gulf Arabs quit pumping oil until the Palestine conflict was settled you'd see a peace deal made in 2 weeks. Gulf Arabs are the reason Israel has no fear in the Mid east. Iran is the only country that can challenge Israel.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:19 AM   #25
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I don't think he did such a thing (i.e. passed a fatwa of kufr). Furthermore, he hasn't rejected his predecessors who did such a thing and made it part of their religion to abuse the noble sahaba .
Salam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysHB94mxEWk i heard he issued fatwa , but i dont know whether he did that or not ???
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:20 AM   #26
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are shia masjids allowed in saudi arabi? I read somewhere that the saudis don't allow the shia minority to practice their beliefs in public.
They do whatever they please, unless it turns into a riot which usually tends to happen when those morons go to the streets in 'Ashura.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:21 AM   #27
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Iran does more for Palestine than the Gulf Arabs who are too busy counting their oil money,ha ha.
If the Gulf Arabs quit pumping oil until the Palestine conflict was settled you'd see a peace deal made in 2 weeks. Gulf Arabs are the reason Israel has no fear in the Mid east. Iran is the only country that can challenge Israel.
Let's see them challenge Israel then.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:23 AM   #28
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Let's see them challenge Israel then.
Salam , is it true khameni issued fatwa against abusing sahaba (R.A) or its just false news ?
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:30 AM   #29
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Salam , is it true khameni issued fatwa against abusing sahaba (R.A) or its just false news ?
He did but no Shia follows it and no Sunni in his right mind would believe a compulsive liar.

(BTW they have a TV show in Iran that was abusing the Sahaba and it wasn't even stopped.)
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Old 03-13-2012, 01:28 PM   #30
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sorry not sistani it was ali khameni who issued fatwa of kufr on those shias who abused Sahaba (R.A) and Wives (R.A) of Holy Prophet (S.A.W.W)
Sorry! Ali Khamaeni is calling him self a Kafir.

Thats a Double Whammy
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Old 03-13-2012, 04:10 PM   #31
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are shia masjids allowed in saudi arabi? I read somewhere that the saudis don't allow the shia minority to practice their beliefs in public.

There's no such thing as a Shia Masjid. They have temples/centers.
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Old 03-13-2012, 05:34 PM   #32
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JazakAllah for the reply brothers; it seems the opinions are uncertain or an absolute no!, so lets get to the bottom of this inshAllah and see what the general consensus here is; consensus is an indicator of the right way in Islam if I'm not mistaken

I personally think that it is better to live under shia rule than total kuffar rule, and for those who regard shia as kuffar, then at least they have respect for some of Islam while christians/jews/athiests hate every aspect of it to the core; living under shia rule is in the worst case scenario ofcourse

also, shia's have stood up for palestinians and were a strong voice and partner in the Muhammad [saw] cartoons boycott of Norway, and i dont think that shia's will be that cruel and heartless to nuke sunni's really, but it will deter Jews from nuking muslim countries

plus, who knows, jews are sworn enemies of shia's, thus a radical Iranian ruler just might nuke them to kingdom come, and that will make it all worth it!
Brother nuclear weapons aren't nice

for a start they kill people by fire which is haram

and they kill people without discriminating good from bad, women from men, child from adult, combatant from non-combatant - is this halal?

if Iran ever wiped the Zionist colony of Israel off the map with nuclear weapons they would inevitably wipe out the Palestinians along with them because nuclear weapons don't discriminate.

In fact such an attack would likely wipe out the Palestinians more efficiently than it would wipe out the Israelis who have bunkers to retreat to

and that is even if Iran won which is unlikely, but in truth they are more likely to loose as Israel has better offensive and defensive weapons systems than they do and they are supported by America

In any case before the Israelis were blasted they would likely send out nuclear missiles to several major Muslim cities in malicious nuclear attacks that would almost certainly be made against Makkah, Madinah, Damascus, Cairo, Khartoum etc whether the governments of their respective lands were engaged in hostilities with Israel or not.

whilst the smaller Persian Gulf states, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan would get covered in nuclear fallout from Israeli nuclear attacks on Iran even if they were completely uninvolved in what was going on.

and America would use almost certainly use the war as an excuse to destroy Pakistan's nuclear deterrent (they already know where Pakistans nuclear weapons are kept as Musharraf told them).

nuclear fallout would spread across the Middle East and kill millions of innocent people, most of them Muslims,

they would die of radiation sickness or cancers and millions of babies of the survivors would be born with horrible birth defects like those that have been seen in East Turkestan where China has tested nuclear weapons near the local Muslims to see their effects etc...

America would probably use the whole situation as an excuse to invade yet more Muslim countries so that the could get hold of their oil and resources on one sided contracts like they did in Iraq...

America would also do what it could to defend Israel (which is at the end of the day just a Western colony) and when the dust settled you may find that the Zionists emerged from their bunkers to seize their long held dream of a greater Israel, invading the countries of the nuked Muslims and occupying much of Middle East with the assistance of America and the West.

a nuclear war between Iran & Israel is not a nice idea or a good idea

Brother nuclear weapons are horrible and even without a war we cannot trust Iran not to use any increase in their power to bully Sunni countries or to paint themselves as the new leaders of the Muslims in the minds of ignorant Muslims...

...on the other hand if powerful Sunni Muslim states develop like a free Sunni Syria or an Islamic Egypt arise - then if they get nuclear weapons purely for deterrent purposes and never use them except as a last resort then this is a different matter all together, because the real benefit of possessing them lies in never having to use them.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:11 PM   #33
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I support Iran fully in trying to get a nuclear weapon, if they had nuclear weapons Israel wouldn't dare think to attacking Iran. People forget (maybe because they're deo) that Pakistan is a Sunni country with nuclear capability.

And soon a tsunami is coming to Pakistan, I can't wait.
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Old 03-13-2012, 11:53 PM   #34
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Brother nuclear weapons aren't nice

for a start they kill people by fire which is haram

Brother nuclear weapons are horrible and even without a war we cannot trust Iran not to use any increase in their power to bully Sunni countries or to paint themselves as the new leaders of the Muslims in the minds of ignorant Muslims...

...on the other hand if powerful Sunni Muslim states develop like a free Sunni Syria or an Islamic Egypt arise - then if they get nuclear weapons purely for deterrent purposes and never use them except as a last resort then this is a different matter all together, because the real benefit of possessing them lies in never having to use them.
Nuclear technology is a deterent to being invaded and bombed back into stone age. America or Europeans don't bother countries with NUKES.
America has Nuke powered Ships, I was stationed on one while in the Navy.
America supplies Israeli nuke program and helps them keep it safe and up to date. The French and British started the Israeli Nuke program back in the 50's and 60's, but now us Americans are the main suppliers. Israel has over 100 bombs and missles.
Israel fears another Gulf country getting a nuke missle because then they would be defenseless because you can't shoot down a missle launced from a certain range.

America has around 10,000 or more nukes. And we ain't giving ours up. If we can have them then I see no reason for other countries not to have them.
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:15 AM   #35
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I support Iran fully in trying to get a nuclear weapon, if they had nuclear weapons Israel wouldn't dare think to attacking Iran. People forget (maybe because they're deo) that Pakistan is a Sunni country with nuclear capability.

And soon a tsunami is coming to Pakistan, I can't wait.
hmm what tsunami ?
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