[wmirkru]

I would like to know what the br. and sis. here think of who should we support in the probable upcoming war between Iran and the West

on the one hand i sometimes think that Iran aquiring nuclear weopons will be a good thing for it will deter the Jews nuking any muslim country in fear of Iran retaliating against them, and on the other, i sometimes think that Iran may just look towards diplomatic relations with Jews to avoid mutual assured destruction, and just concentrate on taking over Sunni countries instead with it's new found nuclear power

so who do we support?

[Trebbinsa]

Interesting question.

Someone may argue that at least jews and christians are ahl al-kitab, while rawafid are zanadiq. I'm not sure I completely agree with the conclusion of such reasoning, though.

[enlinnyGoob]

We don't need to support them nor support Israel. Incase of conflict, the freedom of Palestine will take priority.

The nuclear arming of Iran is worrisome for Israel because it would create a chain reaction by which many middle eastern countries would take up nuclear arms. Israel is in a very tight corner. The recent killing of Palestinians seems to be a intent to provoke a war by getting probably the Hamas government to retaliate and drag on until they can point fingers at Iran and get green light to attack Iran.

[Mboxmaja]

Our duas are with muslims. But Iran helping Arabs against Jews, never it will happen.

Secondly Iran is being CREATED by the west as a powerful nation to sell arms to Arabs.


I quote:

and you can add to your list of the crimes of Shiahs the Shiah navigator who maliciously lead the brutal Portuguese Crusaders across seas that were unknown to them in the Indian Ocean from Africa, which allowed the beginning of European colonialism in Asia and was the start of events that allowed the Europeans to end the Muslim control of east-west trade by establishing a European controlled sea trade network from Asia round Africa to Europe. This event was perhaps a key event in the facilitation of Western global power which has lasted to the present day.

Iran is no true friend of Sunni Muslims, their hostility to Sunnis is clear, yet at the same time if America get another foothold in the region by invading Iran will this be a good thing?

also if the Americans attack any Iranian nuclear plants the fallout will create yet more Muslim suffering in the region.

Maybe its a loose-loose situation?

which is worse a nuclear Iran or another (bigger) Iraq occurring?

[Mboxmaja]

We don't need to support them nor support Israel. Incase of conflict, the freedom of Palestine will take priority.

The nuclear arming of Iran is worrisome for Israel because it would create a chain reaction by which many middle eastern countries would take up nuclear arms. Israel is in a very tight corner. The recent killing of Palestinians seems to be a intent to provoke a war by getting probably the Hamas government to retaliate and drag on until they can point fingers at Iran and get green light to attack Iran.

that makes a lot of sense

[BostonDoctorTTT]

Israel has over 200 nukes in its secret arsenal. Israel has the most powerful Military in Mid east other than Turkey. Gulf Arabs believe that the Western countries will save them from danger. Iran wants the knowledge of Nukes so that the West won't try to do a regime change at their whim.
I support Iran in its quest for nuke knowledge. Too bad the Gulf Arabs don't trust their own people.

[wmirkru]

JazakAllah for the reply brothers; it seems the opinions are uncertain or an absolute no!, so lets get to the bottom of this inshAllah and see what the general consensus here is; consensus is an indicator of the right way in Islam if I'm not mistaken

I personally think that it is better to live under shia rule than total kuffar rule, and for those who regard shia as kuffar, then at least they have respect for some of Islam while christians/jews/athiests hate every aspect of it to the core; living under shia rule is in the worst case scenario ofcourse

also, shia's have stood up for palestinians and were a strong voice and partner in the Muhammad [saw] cartoons boycott of Norway, and i dont think that shia's will be that cruel and heartless to nuke sunni's really, but it will deter Jews from nuking muslim countries

plus, who knows, jews are sworn enemies of shia's, thus a radical Iranian ruler just might nuke them to kingdom come, and that will make it all worth it!

[wmirkru]

Interesting question.

Someone may argue that at least jews and christians are ahl al-kitab, while rawafid are zanadiq. I'm not sure I completely agree with the conclusion of such reasoning, though.

there is at least a difference of opinions regarding Shia's; a lot of Muslims are of the opinion that they are Muslim

ahle kithab openly show their hatred of Islam, and what they hide in their hearts if far worse [Quran]

[GrolmangHat27]

there is at least a difference of opinions regarding Shia's; a lot of Muslims are of the opinion that they are Muslim

ahle kithab openly show their hatred of Islam, and what they hide in their hearts if far worse [Quran]

How are the Shias Muslim?

They are the first one to Reject the Hadith and the Sahabah.

[GrolmangHat27]

And they are the enemies of the Khalifah and Khilafah. Their great Scholar Muhaqqiq Al Tusi was instrumental in inciting the Tatars to invade and ransack Baghdad. These Shias plotted with the British to eliminate Tipu Sultan . Mir Sadiq and Mir Jafar.

And don't forget the RAFIDI brothers Faizi and Abul Fazl who were instrumental in Misguiding Jalaluddin Akbar.

Any instance in history where the Shias have helped the Muslims?

[Kt-viagra]

JazakAllah for the reply brothers; it seems the opinions are uncertain or an absolute no!, so lets get to the bottom of this inshAllah and see what the general consensus here is; consensus is an indicator of the right way in Islam if I'm not mistaken

I personally think that it is better to live under shia rule than total kuffar rule, and for those who regard shia as kuffar, then at least they have respect for some of Islam while christians/jews/athiests hate every aspect of it to the core; living under shia rule is in the worst case scenario ofcourse

I don't know about worst case. I'm not a scholar, so I don't know what the fiqh says either. However, at least the kuffar (in most countries, not all) let us build Masjids. There are no Sunni Masjids in Tehran and the government of Iran refuses to allow any to be built. They have also arrested and attacked Sunnis gathering at homes to perform Salah.

[wmirkru]

How are the Shias Muslim?

They are the first one to Reject the Hadith and the Sahabah.

I personally dont think they're all muslims, but other ahlus sunnah scholars are of the opinion that their largest sects, ithna ashari and jafari are muslim:

Those who do not hold beliefs that constitute Kufr such as believing that Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) was the rightful first Caliph after the demise of the Messenger of Allah, slander other Companions (sahaba) belief in the twelve Imams, etc�

Such Shi�as can not be termed as out of the fold of Islam, rather they are considered to be severely deviated and transgressors (fisq).

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=1898&CATE=164

Notwithstanding the known disagreements between Sunnis and Shia, traditional Sunni scholarship has considered the Shia to be Muslim, and ultimately of the people of Heaven.

And Allah alone gives success.

Faraz Rabbani
http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...D=9787&CATE=24

[GrolmangHat27]

I personally dont think they're all muslims, but other ahlus sunnah scholars are of the opinion that their largest sects, ithna ashari and jafari are muslim:

Those who do not hold beliefs that constitute Kufr such as believing that Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) was the rightful first Caliph after the demise of the Messenger of Allah, slander other Companions (sahaba) belief in the twelve Imams, etc�

Such Shi�as can not be termed as out of the fold of Islam, rather they are considered to be severely deviated and transgressors (fisq).

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...=1898&CATE=164

Notwithstanding the known disagreements between Sunnis and Shia, traditional Sunni scholarship has considered the Shia to be Muslim, and ultimately of the people of Heaven.

And Allah alone gives success.

Faraz Rabbani
http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?...D=9787&CATE=24

But all Shias are Hadith Rejectors

[Grennios]

Nuclear power and weapons only cause destruction to humanity and to the environment, we need other more environmentally friendly methods of generating power.

[wmirkru]

And they are the enemies of the Khalifah and Khilafah. Their great Scholar Muhaqqiq Al Tusi was instrumental in inciting the Tatars to invade and ransack Baghdad. These Shias plotted with the British to eliminate Tipu Sultan . Mir Sadiq and Mir Jafar.

And don't forget the RAFIDI brothers Faizi and Abul Fazl who were instrumental in Misguiding Jalaluddin Akbar.

Any instance in history where the Shias have helped the Muslims?

what about in the recent Muhammad [saw] cartoon fiasco; Iran was certainly a powerfull voice on the side of Muslims; also they at least verbally support the Palestinians, and helped Gaza secure millions in aid after the December 2008 - January 2009 Israeli massacre

Yes the shia's and sunni's have their historical and traditional rivalry; but they do seem to stand against the West and Israel in the defence of Islam [no matter how distorted an interpretation they follow] and opression against Muslims [where it dont effect their interest ofcourse, such as a chance of them coming into power in Iraq etc]

the Shia's played a major part in standing against the West in the Muhammad [saw] cartoon controversy; without them, maybe even any embargo on trade with the offending country would have been futile

Also, as far as the Jews and the west is concerned, shia's are Muslims, and they well may retaliate if any Muslim country is nuked

Iran will certainly be a threat to sunni countries if it aquires nukes, but the bottom line is i think, they wont actually nuke sunni countries, but Israel or America could be itching to nuke Muslims, and a nuclear Iran could deter them

[Pheddytrourry]

For your information, Iran and Israel are both against Arabs, in fact they would unite themselves to kill all Sunnis, its one topic kill the Sunnis, they know we will rule this world one day or another.

In conclusion, don't let others deceive you with titles, we don't support and will never support shia (****), NEVER.

[wmirkru]

For your information, Iran and Israel are both against Arabs, in fact they would unite themselves to kill all Sunnis, its one topic kill the Sunnis, they know we will rule this world one day or another.

In conclusion, don't let others deceive you with titles, we don't support and will never support shia (****), NEVER.

in that case Israel, rather than try their best to stop Iran getting nukes, should have gave them some of their own, so shia's can help them kill all Sunnis, so the actual facts dont add up bro.

and aren't Palestinians Arab too? last i saw was that Iran was sticking up for them when many sunni countries weren't

[tsamprasxx]

Iran does not "stick up" for Palestinians. You'll be hard pressed to find any serious aid that Iran has provided to the Palestinians. Iran is interested in the region because of Lebanon and Hizbullaat. If Lebanon didn't have as many Shi'a as it does, do you think Iran would be interested in Palestine? Iran is only looking out for its self interest. It does not care what happens to Sunnis.

[Intiltern]

hmmm didnt sistani issued fatwa of kufur on those who abused sahaba(R.A) and wives of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) . . . if he prohibited shias to stop abusing sahabas , then now what is the reason of fighting ?

[OvDojQXN]

Shias should not be supported by Sunnis until they learn to educate themselves about Islam. Shias have been ridiculing the righteous beliefs of Sunnis for decades; why should we support them? The least we can do is help guide them and ask Allah to guide them as well.