[ñàéäèíã]

Assalamu alaykum
The OP belongs to HT and this is what they believe.


To put this plan into action, They (christian masters) introduced the system of Madrassah education, they substituted the meaning of ‘Elah’ as ‘Ma’bud’ because, if they were to taught the true meaning of ‘Elah’ e.g.

They say there is no muslim existing now, only HT can tackle dajjal.

A`ūdhu billāhi min ash-shaitāni r-rajīm
b-ismi-llāhi r-raḥmāni r-raḥīm

I was just going to add that another telling point about this group is that they refer to Muslims as "so called Muslims."

I'm out of this thread and will not engage with this thing any longer.

[EDIT: except to add this: and Allah (SWT) knows best and may He forgive me if I have erred.]

[kazinopartnerkae]

Now that's one 'conspiracy theory' put into action... I'd say this is dangerous indeed. I can see why people are cautious about any talk revolving around dajjal that involves systems.

Is it telling that the leader of the group is referred to as the Leader of the Time - Emamuzzaman?

These HT people are a recent Fitnah . They call everyone ' mushrik ' much like some other groups . They target students primarily and turn them against their own parents for starters.

Very sad and misguided youth who are pathetic really . They are taught a few verses of the quran and they will repeat it like a parrot. Much like the Salafi extreme views these guys do not have nor do they want to have a total understanding of islam in all aspects.

Like the Dajjal they are also a one eyed monster .

[libertiespana]

I think there are only 2 people on this forum who can answer this question:

Ameer ul Mumineen Mufti Husain sahib and Naib Ameer ul Mumineen Moulana Abu Hajira and I am requesting both to join this thread and educate us and make it lively thread we can all benefit from, jazakallah.

[thierabess]

Dear Muslims, why does Allah describe himself as the best deceiver in:

Allah (تعالي) describes Himself with actions other than those that are done out of praise. By the way of responding or in relataliation for punishment, and that Attribute in some ways is perfect and complete, while in other ways it is lacking and not appropriate for Allah (تعالي). In this case we do not do an all encompassing confirmation of them, neither do we completely negate them, rather they need to be explained according to the context. Hence, it would be permissible in the right context and situation to confirm them, while we would refrain from it in the situation where it is considered incomplete or negative in meaning. (Such as Plotting, Strategizing, Deceiving, and those similar to these.)
They would be considered complete attributes if it in the situation of retaliating against those who are enemies of Allah (تعالي) and his messenger (), by doing what they did and even with more veracity. While its also possible that these would have deduction in them and be incomplete in other situations, specifically when using them in places that Allah (تعالي) did not use them.

[Trebbinsa]

To put this plan into action, They (christian masters) introduced the system of Madrassah education

The christians introduced the system of Madrasa education?..
Am I misunderstanding something here?

[SingleMan]

Assalamu alaykum


That's what HT site claims!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Ah, so you were quoting.
Wassalam

PS: I got put off when I saw the Imam-uz-Zaman thing.

[sykanaxer]

Sorry brothers i was asked this question from one of my Christian neighbor.
I couldn't answer that.
What could be the best answer for this type of question.

[Trebbinsa]

Assalamu alaykum


That's what HT site claims!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Ahn, ok, for the clarification!

[kazinopartnerkae]

I think the quran intentionally have dual meanings so it will mean different things to different people.

While the verses above are made for the unbelievers in its origin,
it has wisdom in it for the believer as well .

I was going through the verses and in 3:54

And they planned and Allah planned, and Allah is the best of planners

I thought to myself Allah is talking to me / us about how weak our own perception of life and success are.Whatever I have planned for myself I will always be under Allah's kingdom and he will take me to
whichever place he wants .

[Grarypealumma]

Sorry brothers i was asked this question from one of my Christian neighbor.
I couldn't answer that.
What could be the best answer for this type of question.

My sister, a piece of advice:

Don't allow anyone (particularly non-muslims) to quote a 'dodgy' translation (or even invent an incorrect translation), and then ask you to justify something that Allah SWT did not say in the first place. So always ask them where they got it from.

Here:[3:54] وَمَكَرُوا وَمَكَرَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

If you look in respectable and trustworthy Qur'an translations, the word مَكَرَ is always translated as 'Planned' or 'Plotted' but not 'Deceived'.

And then, find a Tafseer (such as Ibn Ktheer RhA) and read about this Verse to understand why it was revealed. You will find that Allah SWT Is Talking here about the jews of Banu Isra'il and how they were 'plotting' to kill Jesus AS, but Allah SWT is a Better 'Plotter' since He Replaced His prophet by another person and they ended up killing the other person, not Jesus AS.

And here: [8:30] وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا لِيُثْبِتُوكَ أَوْ يَقْتُلُوكَ أَوْ يُخْرِجُوكَ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ اللَّهُ وَاللَّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

You will find that it's about the non-believers of Quraish 'plotting' to ambush, attack and kill our prophet PBUH, however Allah SWT is a far Superior 'Plotter', since our prophet pbuh walked out unharmed, and all they could find was Ali RA in his bed.

Another great Mufassir (i.e. author of Tafseer), Al-Qurtubi RhA, quotes a Hadith in the translation of the first verse above, where our Propher PBUH, said: "O Allah, May You Plot for me, and not against me"
See here: http://quran.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?...AyaNum=54#3-54

Beware incorrect Quran translations. Especially those written by orientalists (Mustashriqeen).
Wallahu a'lam.

Wassalm
Jamaluddine