[CevepBiageCefm]

Ibn al-Banna layed down the conclusive word and test of this in al-Mabahith al-Asliyah. How do you tell a true tariqa from a false tariqa?

412 O you who seeks to follow the Path of the early rightly-guided scholars, | do not follow all these groups of Sufis today.
413 There is not one among them that understands the true objective | of the Path. Nor do they truly understand how to
travel it and receive the particular sent spiritual states and stations.
414 They have not uncovered the reality of the Path. | So, the Sufis today are ignoramuses in reality.
415 So beware of them as much as you can fearing that they may tempt you (with their fancy words and feigned states into
believing that they are actually on to something). | Leave their path as it ought to be abandoned.
416 Now if this affair as become garbled and confused for you | and you wish to know the signs in detail.
417 I will give you the word of an expert | that will help you distinguish between the Sufis who are false in their claims and
the rare few honest people who are on the correct Path.
418 If a disciple brags about the fact that he is a disciple of a Shaykh, | know that this points to the fact that he wants to
become popular.
419 If a disciple is extremely happy while still not a knower of Allah, | then know that he is an imbecile and is not headed
for any true divine knowledge.
420 If a disciple displays sadness but is not actively trying to gain the vision of Allah, | then know that he is not on the
Path of the spiritual leaders.
421 If a disciple or teacher takes money or wealth from people (as a donation for his personal benefit) | without being in
extreme need, then know that he is spiritually bankrupt.

422 If a disciple or a teacher wears clothes that make him popular (and held in esteem), | then know that his inner secret is
stripped and devoid of all secrets.
423 If a disciple does not refrain from eating all types of food | without some limits and rules, then know that he is not
travelling the Path which will make him reach Allah.
424 If a disciple has become addicted to the unison chanting gatherings | and is constantly engaging in them, then know
that he is but a captive of the desires of his self which has still not died.
425 And his loving the unison chanting gatherings is a sure sign | that idleness still remains within him.
426 And his dancing in the chanting gatherings without being overcome by a state | is a sign that he is not a true traveller
on the Path.
427 If a disciple takes back his outer garment after throwing it off in a chanting gathering, | then this is sign that he is far
from the reality of unifying Allah.
428 If a disciple hangs his head down without a crime | when with his fellow disciples (or practices other formalities not
legislated in the din), then know he does not practice the manners of the people of the Path.
429 We have already mentioned the ruling for asking for forgiveness. | I mean standing in front of everybody and doing so
and am not referring to the common meaning (of asking forgiveness in private, which is desired).
430 And his leaning towards and freely mixing with the Arabic and the non-Arabic people | is from a sickness in his self
and he is doing wrong with such.
431 If his travel is not towards Allah | gaining strength from Allah, then he has no experience of higher reality.
432 If a disciple alludes to unified ontology | while being ignorant of disparate ontology, then swerve away from him.

433 Or if a disciple or teacher talks about physical unification with Allah, Allah indwelling in physical or metaphysical
objects or beings, or Allah becoming apparent to the common senses in this world, | then know he is engaged in an
unlawful innovation which strikes at the very base tenets of our din.
434 If a disciple says, "I am whom I love." | before becoming free of his ego and self, then know that he is very far (from
the correct way).
435 If a disciple or teacher claims to have received knowledge directly from Allah | without practicing outward and
inward obedience to Allah, then know that he is not of a splendid state.
436 If a disciple's or teacher's words are more lofty and higher than his spiritual state, | then know that he is cut off from
the way of the advanced spirituals.
437 If the disciple says, "I am a Shaykh. So, follow me." | without knowledge, then know that he is crazy.
438 If he says that I am a Sufi while he does not | know the limits of the levels of the soul, then know that he is blind.
439 If he merely loves the people of the Path without following them, | then know that he has no benefit in this and cannot
benefit others.
(It is not a bad act to love the people of the Path even if one does not follow them as on the Day of Resurrection, one will
be with those he loved, but the author is pointing out here that in order to travel one must follow the dictates of the Path
and cannot just rely on one's trust or love of one's teacher or fellow disciples.)
440 And if the disciple or teacher openly acts in contradiction to | a prohibition stated in clear words in the Qur'an or
authentic multiple-chain hadith (and no disagreement from the early scholars of Islam is found to permit it), then know
that he is involved in misguidance and invented matters.
441 And if he advances to the level of being a Shaykh without permission | from his teacher, know that he has only stolen
his chair and position.

442 These and other similar attributes are what prevent one (from obtaining full knowledge of Allah). | And they are
placed on the Path like barriers.
443 Are they not simply faults in one's feeling of extreme need and poverty towards Allah? | The brave and robust man
fights these off acting like a falcon or a hawk -
444 Until when he is able to wrestle down and deal a fatal blow to his lower self (which is what causes him to engage in
the faults mentioned above), | then he no longer fears such unfortunate faults and events.
445 O my companion, do not let this time confuse you and tempt you | for here is the explanation of the Path and its
clarification.
446 Truth is not recognized by the men who are preaching it (rather, it is independent from these men and these men are
recognized and judged according to the truth). | And bearing eyewitness of the truth frees one from doubting that it exists
(or doubting that it is possible).
447 And the truth in all affairs is more proper to be sought after. | If falsehood saw it, it would vanish and melt away.
448 And now that you know the ways of the people of the Path. | Then here is a bow and some arrows (for you to shoot at
the target).
449 This is the Path; so, follow most of what we mentioned. |

[beneitpedro]

430 And his leaning towards and freely mixing with the Arabic and the non-Arabic people | is from a sickness in his self
and he is doing wrong with such.


what does this mean

[CevepBiageCefm]

You know what I have no clue.

Does anyone know?

[ApporpSothe]

430 And his leaning towards and freely mixing with the Arabic and the non-Arabic people | is from a sickness in his self
and he is doing wrong with such.

Troubling passage.

Perhaps what he meant by this was "Muslim and the non-Muslim people" because where he was writing his treatise, the only Muslims happened to be Arabs?

I don't know if that's the case, I'm just speculating because there is no way that the literal meaning of the passage could be the one that he intended.

Allahu alim.

[Abofedrorobox]

:salaam:

Just my 2 cents. It implies freely mixing with all people is a sickness. Becuase all people are either Arabic or non Arabic.

Muhammad-Nur

[CevepBiageCefm]

In Arabic it says that exact thing, I just checked the Arabic matn.

It says mixing with `Arabi and `Ajami.

Morocco in the 1700s did have Berbers in it and there were also Africans as well as Spanish decended people I assume?

Wassalam.

[somozasayre]

:salaam:

Just my 2 cents. It implies freely mixing with all people is a sickness. Becuase all people are either Arabic or non Arabic.

Muhammad-Nur

Nothing to do with this topic. If you want the whole salam to show up, you have : salam : (without the space) not :salaam: with two a's.

[ApporpSothe]

In Arabic it says that exact thing, I just checked the Arabic matn.

It says mixing with `Arabi and `Ajami.

Morocco in the 1700s did have Berbers in it and there were also Africans as well as Spanish decended people I assume?

Wassalam.

Hmmm, I don't know then.

Hope that someone can answer this insha'allah.

[dodadaxia]

And this is why tasawwuf is taken from men, not books. A great number of the Moroccan Sufis were Berber, including al-Ghawth Abu Madyan if I am not mistaken, so what Sidi Muhammad Nur said is not far fetched. It would be assumed that it is like the Prophet's saying the "black and the white".

As one of the contemporary Sufi shuyukh said, "I am not entirely enthaused by the wild rushing to print of everything possible and impossible to say about Sufism . . ."

[CymnMaync]

well, ma sha Allah. A friend of mine just returned from Egypt and brought me some books that I requested. One of the books he brought for me was al Futuhat al Ilahiyah( published by Dar al Kutub al Ilmiyah) which is the explanation of the Mabahith by Sidi Ahmd ibn Muhammad Ibn Ajiba rahimahullah.

Concerning that particular passage, he says regarding it (page 294):

I say: From the matters of concern for the Faqir in his beggining, is to flee from the people and avoid them (Ar; Istihash, which could also mean to seek to alone and away from them, coming from the Arabic Wahshah which means to be away and lonely, among other meanings-Allah Alam) until he gains strength to be present with them in the best way. At that point, it is of no harm to him if he mixes with them in his body while being seperated from them with his heart. As far as his inclining toward the people and loving to mix with them, then this is a proof of his bankruptcy, for indeed, seeking intimacy with people is from the signs of bankruptcy...

he said a few sentences more before he moved on, but basically he was stating the same point as above(note, i would advise anyone interested to read the book themselves as all i did was an on the spot rough translation). It would seem from his words, that Ibn al Bannas intention was to warn against overly mixing with all of the people. It doesnt seem concievable that he could intend anything even remotely racist with his statement, given that he himself was from Sarqasut and the fact that he included the Arabs in the same line of poetry.

Allahu Alam

[hansen384cbh]

I think it goes all ways. I mean this passage: 419 If a disciple is extremely happy while still not a knower of Allah, | then know that he is an imbecile and is not headed for any true divine knowledge. says it all. there are muslims like this..saddly but true.

we can't deny the truth.

[CevepBiageCefm]

well, ma sha Allah. A friend of mine just returned from Egypt and brought me some books that I requested. One of the books he brought for me was al Futuhat al Ilahiyah( published by Dar al Kutub al Ilmiyah) which is the explanation of the Mabahith by Sidi Ahmd ibn Muhammad Ibn Ajiba rahimahullah.

Concerning that particular passage, he says regarding it (page 294):

I say: From the matters of concern for the Faqir in his beggining, is to flee from the people and avoid them (Ar; Istihash, which could also mean to seek to alone and away from them, coming from the Arabic Wahshah which means to be away and lonely, among other meanings-Allah Alam) until he gains strength to be present with them in the best way. At that point, it is of no harm to him if he mixes with them in his body while being seperated from them with his heart. As far as his inclining toward the people and loving to mix with them, then this is a proof of his bankruptcy, for indeed, seeking intimacy with people is from the signs of bankruptcy...

he said a few sentences more before he moved on, but basically he was stating the same point as above(note, i would advise anyone interested to read the book themselves as all i did was an on the spot rough translation). It would seem from his words, that Ibn al Bannas intention was to warn against overly mixing with all of the people. It doesnt seem concievable that he could intend anything even remotely racist with his statement, given that he himself was from Sarqasut and the fact that he included the Arabs in the same line of poetry.

Allahu Alam

Yeah I want the Futuhat al-Illahiya so badly, even the cover of the book looks so pretty.

Shaykh Abu Qanit did a good job of translating the meanings of the Mabahith instead of the literal translation but he reccomended to buy Ibn `Ajibah's Sharh!

Ibn `Ajibah also has a good Sharh al-Hikam but in my opinion nothing compares to the great student of Ibn `Ashir himself, Ibn `Abbad al-Rundi which Shaykh Abu Qanit also translated partially (I need to find it in Arabic!)

Wassalam.

[shemadagaswer]

[shemadagaswer]

[quote]Nothing to do with this topic. If you want the whole salam to show up, you have : salam : (without the space) not :salaam: with two a's.

[somozasayre]

Thats brilliant. I was just checking if this works. Is there a shortcut to type the Arabic version of sending peace and blessings on the Prophet (SAW) instead of using "(SAW)". And also the arabic version of Subhana wa ta'ala instead of (SWT)?

Jazakamullahu Khairan (maybe one for this as well?)

... yes of course there is!

[shemadagaswer]

, I'm very happy now

[GECEDEANY]

Ibn al-Banna layed down the conclusive word and test of this in al-Mabahith al-Asliyah. How do you tell a true tariqa from a false tariqa?

412 O you who seeks to follow the Path of the early rightly-guided scholars, | do not follow all these groups of Sufis today.
413 There is not one among them that understands the true objective | of the Path. Nor do they truly understand how to
travel it and receive the particular sent spiritual states and stations.
414 They have not uncovered the reality of the Path. | So, the Sufis today are ignoramuses in reality.
415 So beware of them as much as you can fearing that they may tempt you (with their fancy words and feigned states into
believing that they are actually on to something). | Leave their path as it ought to be abandoned.
416 Now if this affair as become garbled and confused for you | and you wish to know the signs in detail.
417 I will give you the word of an expert | that will help you distinguish between the Sufis who are false in their claims and
the rare few honest people who are on the correct Path.
418 If a disciple brags about the fact that he is a disciple of a Shaykh, | know that this points to the fact that he wants to
become popular.
419 If a disciple is extremely happy while still not a knower of Allah, | then know that he is an imbecile and is not headed
for any true divine knowledge.
420 If a disciple displays sadness but is not actively trying to gain the vision of Allah, | then know that he is not on the
Path of the spiritual leaders.
421 If a disciple or teacher takes money or wealth from people (as a donation for his personal benefit) | without being in
extreme need, then know that he is spiritually bankrupt.

422 If a disciple or a teacher wears clothes that make him popular (and held in esteem), | then know that his inner secret is
stripped and devoid of all secrets.
423 If a disciple does not refrain from eating all types of food | without some limits and rules, then know that he is not
travelling the Path which will make him reach Allah.
424 If a disciple has become addicted to the unison chanting gatherings | and is constantly engaging in them, then know
that he is but a captive of the desires of his self which has still not died.
425 And his loving the unison chanting gatherings is a sure sign | that idleness still remains within him.
426 And his dancing in the chanting gatherings without being overcome by a state | is a sign that he is not a true traveller
on the Path.
427 If a disciple takes back his outer garment after throwing it off in a chanting gathering, | then this is sign that he is far
from the reality of unifying Allah.
428 If a disciple hangs his head down without a crime | when with his fellow disciples (or practices other formalities not
legislated in the din), then know he does not practice the manners of the people of the Path.
429 We have already mentioned the ruling for asking for forgiveness. | I mean standing in front of everybody and doing so
and am not referring to the common meaning (of asking forgiveness in private, which is desired).
430 And his leaning towards and freely mixing with the Arabic and the non-Arabic people | is from a sickness in his self
and he is doing wrong with such.
431 If his travel is not towards Allah | gaining strength from Allah, then he has no experience of higher reality.
432 If a disciple alludes to unified ontology | while being ignorant of disparate ontology, then swerve away from him.

433 Or if a disciple or teacher talks about physical unification with Allah, Allah indwelling in physical or metaphysical
objects or beings, or Allah becoming apparent to the common senses in this world, | then know he is engaged in an
unlawful innovation which strikes at the very base tenets of our din.
434 If a disciple says, "I am whom I love." | before becoming free of his ego and self, then know that he is very far (from
the correct way).
435 If a disciple or teacher claims to have received knowledge directly from Allah | without practicing outward and
inward obedience to Allah, then know that he is not of a splendid state.
436 If a disciple's or teacher's words are more lofty and higher than his spiritual state, | then know that he is cut off from
the way of the advanced spirituals.
437 If the disciple says, "I am a Shaykh. So, follow me." | without knowledge, then know that he is crazy.
438 If he says that I am a Sufi while he does not | know the limits of the levels of the soul, then know that he is blind.
439 If he merely loves the people of the Path without following them, | then know that he has no benefit in this and cannot
benefit others.
(It is not a bad act to love the people of the Path even if one does not follow them as on the Day of Resurrection, one will
be with those he loved, but the author is pointing out here that in order to travel one must follow the dictates of the Path
and cannot just rely on one's trust or love of one's teacher or fellow disciples.)
440 And if the disciple or teacher openly acts in contradiction to | a prohibition stated in clear words in the Qur'an or
authentic multiple-chain hadith (and no disagreement from the early scholars of Islam is found to permit it), then know
that he is involved in misguidance and invented matters.
441 And if he advances to the level of being a Shaykh without permission | from his teacher, know that he has only stolen
his chair and position.

442 These and other similar attributes are what prevent one (from obtaining full knowledge of Allah). | And they are
placed on the Path like barriers.
443 Are they not simply faults in one's feeling of extreme need and poverty towards Allah? | The brave and robust man
fights these off acting like a falcon or a hawk -
444 Until when he is able to wrestle down and deal a fatal blow to his lower self (which is what causes him to engage in
the faults mentioned above), | then he no longer fears such unfortunate faults and events.
445 O my companion, do not let this time confuse you and tempt you | for here is the explanation of the Path and its
clarification.
446 Truth is not recognized by the men who are preaching it (rather, it is independent from these men and these men are
recognized and judged according to the truth). | And bearing eyewitness of the truth frees one from doubting that it exists
(or doubting that it is possible).
447 And the truth in all affairs is more proper to be sought after. | If falsehood saw it, it would vanish and melt away.
448 And now that you know the ways of the people of the Path. | Then here is a bow and some arrows (for you to shoot at
the target).
449 This is the Path; so, follow most of what we mentioned. |

JazaAllah kyran!!!!