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Old 12-26-2010, 04:18 PM   #1
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Default Haji Shakil Ahmad(db) on Tabligh, Ta'lim and Tazkiya!
What Haji Sahab says about Taalim, Tablig and Tazkiyah?

" Sabse pehle tablig mein nikla tablig mein nikal kar talab paida hoi, phir amal karne ke liye masaail sikhne ki zaroorat mahsoos hoi tu ulama se raabta kiya, phir jab Hazrat Maulana Abdul Haleem Sahab.ke paas gaya tu pata chala ke apne andar dil ke marz hai jinka ilaaj karna zaroori hai.
Talab paida karne ke liye tablig hai aur amal karne ke liye masaail ki zaroorat hai tu ulama se puchna hoga, aur jab ye sab kaam karenge tu shaitan chood kar nahi jayega to dil ke ilaaj ke liye shaikh ki zaroorat hai is liye sabse pehle number par tablig hai ke talab na hogi to na ulama ke paas jayega na kisi shaikh ke paas."

Translation: First I went in Tabligh and going in Tabligh produced a desire(for Din) in me. Then I felt a need for knowledge of masa'il in order to perform (good) deeds, so I connected myself with the scholars. Then when I went to Mawlana A Haleem sb I realized that I was suffering from diseases of the heart which needed to be treated.
So Tabligh is for creating desire for Din and then for practising Islam knowledge of masa'il is important and the 'Ulama have to be consulted and (even) after doing this, Shaytan will not leave us alone so we need a Shaykh for correcting our hearts. That is why Tabligh is number 1 because if there is no desire then one will neither go to the scholars nor to the Shuyukh.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:00 PM   #2
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What Haji Sahab says about Taalim, Tablig and Tazkiyah?

" Sabse pehle tablig mein nikla tablig mein nikal kar talab paida hoi, phir amal karne ke liye masaail sikhne ki zaroorat mahsoos hoi tu ulama se raabta kiya, phir jab Hazrat Maulana Abdul Haleem Sahab.ke paas gaya tu pata chala ke apne andar dil ke marz hai jinka ilaaj karna zaroori hai.
Talab paida karne ke liye tablig hai aur amal karne ke liye masaail ki zaroorat hai tu ulama se puchna hoga, aur jab ye sab kaam karenge tu shaitan chood kar nahi jayega to dil ke ilaaj ke liye shaikh ki zaroorat hai is liye sabse pehle number par tablig hai ke talab na hogi to na ulama ke paas jayega na kisi shaikh ke paas."

Translation: First I went in Tabligh and going in Tabligh produced a desire(for Din) in me. Then I felt a need for knowledge of masa'il in order to perform (good) deeds, so I connected myself with the scholars. Then when I went to Mawlana A Haleem sb I realized that I was suffering from diseases of the heart which needed to be treated.
So Tabligh is for creating desire for Din and then for practising Islam knowledge of masa'il is important and the 'Ulama have to be consulted and (even) after doing this, Shaytan will not leave us alone so we need a Shaykh for correcting our hearts. That is why Tabligh is number 1 because if there is no desire then one will neither go to the scholars nor to the Shuyukh.
this should be posted in all masajid, tablighi markaz, darsghas and khanqahs.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:10 PM   #3
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What Haji Sahab says about Taalim, Tablig and Tazkiyah?

" Sabse pehle tablig mein nikla tablig mein nikal kar talab paida hoi, phir amal karne ke liye masaail sikhne ki zaroorat mahsoos hoi tu ulama se raabta kiya, phir jab Hazrat Maulana Abdul Haleem Sahab.ke paas gaya tu pata chala ke apne andar dil ke marz hai jinka ilaaj karna zaroori hai.
Talab paida karne ke liye tablig hai aur amal karne ke liye masaail ki zaroorat hai tu ulama se puchna hoga, aur jab ye sab kaam karenge tu shaitan chood kar nahi jayega to dil ke ilaaj ke liye shaikh ki zaroorat hai is liye sabse pehle number par tablig hai ke talab na hogi to na ulama ke paas jayega na kisi shaikh ke paas."

Translation: First I went in Tabligh and going in Tabligh produced a desire(for Din) in me. Then I felt a need for knowledge of masa'il in order to perform (good) deeds, so I connected myself with the scholars. Then when I went to Mawlana A Haleem sb I realized that I was suffering from diseases of the heart which needed to be treated.
So Tabligh is for creating desire for Din and then for practising Islam knowledge of masa'il is important and the 'Ulama have to be consulted and (even) after doing this, Shaytan will not leave us alone so we need a Shaykh for correcting our hearts. That is why Tabligh is number 1 because if there is no desire then one will neither go to the scholars nor to the Shuyukh.
assalaamu 'alaykum
Who is "haji sahib"? i want to post this elsewhere so i need the name...may i post it elsewhere?
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:19 PM   #4
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Is it Shakil bhai from Santacruz kalina. Affiliated to Hazrat maulana munir sahab?

Tamim bhai, pls let me know can we meet 2day after Asr ?
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:55 PM   #5
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What Haji Sahab says about Taalim, Tablig and Tazkiyah?

" Sabse pehle tablig mein nikla tablig mein nikal kar talab paida hoi, phir amal karne ke liye masaail sikhne ki zaroorat mahsoos hoi tu ulama se raabta kiya, phir jab Hazrat Maulana Abdul Haleem Sahab.ke paas gaya tu pata chala ke apne andar dil ke marz hai jinka ilaaj karna zaroori hai.
Talab paida karne ke liye tablig hai aur amal karne ke liye masaail ki zaroorat hai tu ulama se puchna hoga, aur jab ye sab kaam karenge tu shaitan chood kar nahi jayega to dil ke ilaaj ke liye shaikh ki zaroorat hai is liye sabse pehle number par tablig hai ke talab na hogi to na ulama ke paas jayega na kisi shaikh ke paas."

Translation: First I went in Tabligh and going in Tabligh produced a desire(for Din) in me. Then I felt a need for knowledge of masa'il in order to perform (good) deeds, so I connected myself with the scholars. Then when I went to Mawlana A Haleem sb I realized that I was suffering from diseases of the heart which needed to be treated.
So Tabligh is for creating desire for Din and then for practising Islam knowledge of masa'il is important and the 'Ulama have to be consulted and (even) after doing this, Shaytan will not leave us alone so we need a Shaykh for correcting our hearts. That is why Tabligh is number 1 because if there is no desire then one will neither go to the scholars nor to the Shuyukh.
Bro can I copy it and mail it to my friends and partners.
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Old 12-26-2010, 10:15 PM   #6
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Bro can I copy it and mail it to my friends and partners.
Be my guest akhi. shariat.info for greater details on Haji Saheb and his life. His son-in-law is a close friend of mine.
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Old 12-26-2010, 10:16 PM   #7
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Is it Shakil bhai from Santacruz kalina. Affiliated to Hazrat maulana munir sahab?

Tamim bhai, pls let me know can we meet 2day after Asr ?
Tamim is the name of my son. We will have to meet during the week, Inshallah.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:41 AM   #8
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Tablighi Jamaat is definitely successful in presenting an Islamic atmosphere at their events and gatherings, and it's ideals and intentions are definitely well-meaning, or at least they were in the initial stages. However, in more recent times, I fear that the original self-reforming and humble spirit of it is being gradually lost. I have noticed that Tablighis these days are very cultish and pretty much engaged in bida'a. They consider going in Jamaat a necessary act of religion and look down upon people who don't go as significantly lacking in religiosity even if they are ulema or other pious figures. I'm sure there are Jamaatis who still go simply for their own reformation and benefit, but the problem I mentioned is pervasive enough within Tablighi Jamaat to warrant address.

I could go into more detail about the extent of the judgementalism and bigotry that I have personally heard and witness from various Jamaatis over and over again, but I'm sure I don't need to. Honestly, to cut it short, humility is one of the qualities not present in many many Jamaatis today. They basically think that no one besides them knows anything, and it is their job to enlighten the ignorant masses. And yes, the rhetoric of self-reformation and self-improvement is still present, but mostly, it's just lip service.
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:56 AM   #9
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Old 02-28-2012, 12:08 PM   #10
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Tablighi Jamaat is definitely successful in presenting an Islamic atmosphere at their events and gatherings, and it's ideals and intentions are definitely well-meaning, or at least they were in the initial stages. However, in more recent times, I fear that the original self-reforming and humble spirit of it is being gradually lost. I have noticed that Tablighis these days are very cultish and pretty much engaged in bida'a. They consider going in Jamaat a necessary act of religion and look down upon people who don't go as significantly lacking in religiosity even if they are ulema or other pious figures. I'm sure there are Jamaatis who still go simply for their own reformation and benefit, but the problem I mentioned is pervasive enough within Tablighi Jamaat to warrant address.

I could go into more detail about the extent of the judgementalism and bigotry that I have personally heard and witness from various Jamaatis over and over again, but I'm sure I don't need to. Honestly, to cut it short, humility is one of the qualities not present in many many Jamaatis today. They basically think that no one besides them knows anything, and it is their job to enlighten the ignorant masses. And yes, the rhetoric of self-reformation and self-improvement is still present, but mostly, it's just lip service.

Quite a generalised statement sister, and quietly malicious to boot.
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:20 PM   #11
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Brother ... The one who is Fikarmand (following Abu Bakr Siddique RadiAllahu An) can only understand the importance and Compulsion of Tabligh work...... AbuBakr Siddiuqe R A first Khutbah "Jo Aadmi is Kaam par apne khwahishat ko Kurban Kardega...Yeh Kaam uski Islaah ke liye kaafi hai"...Approximately Mafhum..But please consult Ulema for Proper Working or Read Hayatus Sahaba....Allah ne Quran main is Kaam ko "Mera Raasta" Farmaya...Bhaiyyo Tabligh ki Qadr karo aur Allah ke raaste main nikalne ko Zaroori Samjho...Yeh Ummat ki Zimmedari hai...Warna Allah koi aur Ummat main paida kar deta.. Ulema Farmate hain....Emaan 24 ghante Farz hai..Isliye Emaan ki mehnat bhi 24 ghante Farz hai..
MTJ sahab ka Bayan ""Tulbah se Khitaab" Ismaeel Markaz Dt: 30th May 2010. Suno Fark samajh main aayega....Ummat ki Zimmedari ka...Maualana ne U kaha "Maulana Abdul Qayyum SB Reh Alahe..ne farmaya Jo Aadmi Tabligh na kare wo nabi ka Muttabe ho hi nahi sakta" nabi ki Itteba karne wala
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Old 02-28-2012, 01:26 PM   #12
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Brother ... The one who is Fikarmand (following Abu Bakr Siddique RadiAllahu An) can only understand the importance and Compulsion of Tabligh work...... AbuBakr Siddiuqe R A first Khutbah "Jo Aadmi is Kaam par apne khwahishat ko Kurban Kardega...Yeh Kaam uski Islaah ke liye kaafi hai"...Approximately Mafhum..But please consult Ulema for Proper Working or Read Hayatus Sahaba....Allah ne Quran main is Kaam ko "Mera Raasta" Farmaya...Bhaiyyo Tabligh ki Qadr karo aur Allah ke raaste main nikalne ko Zaroori Samjho...Yeh Ummat ki Zimmedari hai...Warna Allah koi aur Ummat main paida kar deta.. Ulema Farmate hain....Emaan 24 ghante Farz hai..Isliye Emaan ki mehnat bhi 24 ghante Farz hai..
MTJ sahab ka Bayan ""Tulbah se Khitaab" Ismaeel Markaz Dt: 30th May 2010. Suno Fark samajh main aayega....Ummat ki Zimmedari ka...Maualana ne U kaha "Maulana Abdul Qayyum SB Reh Alahe..ne farmaya Jo Aadmi Tabligh na kare wo nabi ka Muttabe ho hi nahi sakta" nabi ki Itteba karne wala

I am feeling dizzy, bhai.
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Tablighi Jamaat is definitely successful in presenting an Islamic atmosphere at their events and gatherings, and it's ideals and intentions are definitely well-meaning, or at least they were in the initial stages. However, in more recent times, I fear that the original self-reforming and humble spirit of it is being gradually lost. I have noticed that Tablighis these days are very cultish and pretty much engaged in bida'a. They consider going in Jamaat a necessary act of religion and look down upon people who don't go as significantly lacking in religiosity even if they are ulema or other pious figures. I'm sure there are Jamaatis who still go simply for their own reformation and benefit, but the problem I mentioned is pervasive enough within Tablighi Jamaat to warrant address.

I could go into more detail about the extent of the judgementalism and bigotry that I have personally heard and witness from various Jamaatis over and over again, but I'm sure I don't need to. Honestly, to cut it short, humility is one of the qualities not present in many many Jamaatis today. They basically think that no one besides them knows anything, and it is their job to enlighten the ignorant masses. And yes, the rhetoric of self-reformation and self-improvement is still present, but mostly, it's just lip service.
Join them to improve the things from within.
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:36 PM   #14
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Join them to improve the things from within.
Well said, Sayyidi.

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:43 PM   #16
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Join them to improve the things from within.
Such an advice should be given to only that person who already has sufficient knowledge and spiritual strength . Who jumps into a pond to rescue a sinking person ? Someone who does not know swimming ?
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Tablighi Jamaat is definitely successful in presenting an Islamic atmosphere at their events and gatherings, and it's ideals and intentions are definitely well-meaning, or at least they were in the initial stages. However, in more recent times, I fear that the original self-reforming and humble spirit of it is being gradually lost. I have noticed that Tablighis these days are very cultish and pretty much engaged in bida'a. They consider going in Jamaat a necessary act of religion and look down upon people who don't go as significantly lacking in religiosity even if they are ulema or other pious figures. I'm sure there are Jamaatis who still go simply for their own reformation and benefit, but the problem I mentioned is pervasive enough within Tablighi Jamaat to warrant address.

I could go into more detail about the extent of the judgementalism and bigotry that I have personally heard and witness from various Jamaatis over and over again, but I'm sure I don't need to. Honestly, to cut it short, humility is one of the qualities not present in many many Jamaatis today. They basically think that no one besides them knows anything, and it is their job to enlighten the ignorant masses. And yes, the rhetoric of self-reformation and self-improvement is still present, but mostly, it's just lip service.
If you read the history of other Islamic movements, you will come to know that there is a life-cycle for each movement.
Beginning , peak and steady decline. Finally , vanished. May be , we are observing the phase 3 of Tablig Jamat.
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If you read the history of other Islamic movements, you will come to know that there is a life-cycle for each movement.
Beginning , peak and steady decline. Finally , vanished. May be , we are observing the phase 3 of Tablig Jamat.
That's your observation. Many people are still experiencing Phase 2
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:19 PM   #19
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If you read the history of other Islamic movements, you will come to know that there is a life-cycle for each movement.
Beginning , peak and steady decline. Finally , vanished. May be , we are observing the phase 3 of Tablig Jamat. Assalamu alaykum

I am in TJ for decades, I am still in first phase. Everyone says TJ is still in first phase, Moulana Ilyas sahib RA said final requirement of this work is to give life in the path of Allah. I haven't seen anyone giving his life.

Secondly two types of flyes enter a garden. One is house fly and other is the honey bee. They search two different things. So one has to ponder upon what is he searching for. You get what you search. Work of TJ is like a garden, there are flowers of tazkiyah, islah, eesaar, qurbani etc. Also there are shortcomings. If one does tajassus he gets exposure to the shortcomings only.
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Old 03-04-2012, 07:14 PM   #20
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That's your observation. Many people are still experiencing Phase 2
May be , in your own city. From my observation in the UK and other European cities and Bangladesh, TJ is in rapid decline in general.

Although , you may get a good impression by seeing the large number of people attending Ijtema. But, it is not quantity , rather quality that matters.
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