[addisonnicogel]

Before you tell me that cheating in Islam is strictly haram, you should read the following to understand the context of the question.


There is an exam paper for A-levels which around 20,000 UK students sit.

The exam is conducted whenever the school chooses to do it so some schools may do it on the 21st of December, others may do it in 14th February.

Unlike most exams, the teacher has access to the exam paper, but the rules they are not allowed to reveal any of the content of the exam, but many teachers do reveal the content in order to allow their students to get higher grades.

As you can imagine, this leads to wide scale cheating, with students and teachers telling students who haven't done the exam what questions are in the exam paper.


It has got to the point where because of mass cheating, grade boundaries for this exam have inflated to 93% for a grade A, compared the usual around 80%/ and candidates who usually get an D grade in normal exams, get As in this exam by cheating.

It means student who don't cheat are at a fairly big disadvantage compared to ones who do cheat.

I have heard of someone whose teacher actually physically gave out the exam paper before they were going to sit, they took it home.


Someone has offered me to tell me the questions that came up in this exam paper (I haven't sat it yet, are neither have they-but they have been given the actual exam paper to take home.

Should I accept?

[PRengin]

what about people who lie in job interview and visa interview?

[Cheeniandab]

What are the benefits if you do succeed in this exam, if i were you i wouldnt cheat, just be confident by yourself and raise your head and say " Im not a liar/cheater and i wont start now ".

And God will give you A++++++ on after life

[Cheeniandab]

what about people who lie in job interview and visa interview?

Thats totally different, totallllyyyyy. And when you grow up you would understand the risks of lying.

[PRengin]

Thats totally different, totallllyyyyy. And when you grow up you would understand the risks of lying.

how old are you?

[Cheeniandab]

how old are you?

umm 23 does that make any difference ?

[PRengin]

umm 23 does that make any difference ?

Ok. You are younger than me.
My brother in Islam, when to reply to some person - Dont use sentences like 'GROW UP'. Its a healthy discussion arena, please dont cross the boundaries.
Before this message reaches you, I am the first one who is reading this. Take care

[Maribellin]

I know exactly what you're referring to, and to be honest, it's quite sad. All the incompetent schools allow their pupils to cheat, which subsequently pushes up the grade boundaries making it much harder for us honest students in other schools to achieve the same grades!

It's the ISAs/EMPAs, right? Rabbi Yassir!

[Cheeniandab]

Ok. You are younger than me.
My brother in Islam, when to reply to some person - Dont use sentences like 'GROW UP'. Its a healthy discussion arena, please dont cross the boundaries.
Before this message reaches you, I am the first one who is reading this. Take care

O.o i wasnt replying to you straightly, i was saying in general when a guy grows up he start to understand the risks behind lying in many occasions, thats all, no harsh feelings.

[Cheeniandab]

Ok. You are younger than me.
My brother in Islam, when to reply to some person - Dont use sentences like 'GROW UP'. Its a healthy discussion arena, please dont cross the boundaries.
Before this message reaches you, I am the first one who is reading this. Take care

I wonder why my last reply didnt appear, but i was saying i wasnt replying to you in a direct way, i was saying in general if someones grows, he will face the consequences of lying in a hard way (in general).

[9V4i8xw1]

Check this thread.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...eak-militarily
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One clever way of raising a dumb generation of youths is to allow cheating !!

[addisonnicogel]

I know exactly what you're referring to, and to be honest, it's quite sad. All the incompetent schools allow their pupils to cheat, which subsequently pushes up the grade boundaries making it much harder for us honest students in other schools to achieve the same grades!

It's the ISAs/EMPAs, right? Rabbi Yassir!

Yeah, Chemistry Isa and Biology Empa. These are important exams that will affect the rest of our lives, but obviously no where near as big as the biggest test in this life.

But it has got to the point where all the Muslims students in the school apart from me have gone down the cheating route, I'm so tempted.

[PRengin]

I wonder why my last reply didnt appear, but i was saying i wasnt replying to you in a direct way, i was saying in general if someones grows, he will face the consequences of lying in a hard way (in general).

ok brother, if you said in that way. I apologize for that, take care.

[9V4i8xw1]

Yeah, Chemistry Isa and Biology Empa. These are important exams that will affect the rest of our lives, but obviously no where near as big as the biggest test in this life.

But it has got to the point where all the Muslims students in the school apart from me have gone down the cheating route, I'm so tempted.

What a great ( ?) news !! Where is that school ? If in the UK , its good for the bankers . Those cheating students will not get jobs in high tech industry and then will open up new restaurants for the usury-loving banking elites and their minions. Those schools should start course on cooking Biryani !!



Check this.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-science-only-!!

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-global-empire

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[Doncarlito]

It sounds like the tests are given to see who cheats the best??? Interesting isn't it? It must be known at all levels of decision making that 'cheating' is a part of the process (not 'has become' but perhaps was built into the system from the get-go?) and yet they continue to administer these tests and of course, students (and teachers and schools and school districts...) continue to 'prepare' for them. The danger here is not only in the outcome (as in who passes and who fails, and what that means for the next level of that student's education) but also... it leaves the door wide open to process those 'caught' cheating - selectively. Very immoral, wrong and dangerous indeed.

[Maribellin]

It sounds like the tests are given to see who cheats the best??? Interesting isn't it? It must be known at all levels of decision making that 'cheating' is a part of the process (not 'has become' but perhaps was built into the system from the get-go?) and yet they continue to administer these tests and of course, students (and teachers and schools and school districts...) continue to 'prepare' for them. The danger here is not only in the outcome (as in who passes and who fails, and what that means for the next level of that student's education) but also... it leaves the door wide open to process those 'caught' cheating - selectively. Very immoral, wrong and dangerous indeed.

Do you know what? Decent schools like mine don't offer these cheating "services", so, in actual fact, the hardworking students lose out!

[Doncarlito]

Do you know what? Decent schools like mine don't offer these cheating "services", so, in actual fact, the hardworking students lose out!

I am curious as to why your school is left out of this process. If it has absolutely nothing to do with economics (as in the socio-economic placement of student families in particular schools) and keeping graduates from certain districts at a lower level in order to attempt to conserve the status-quo, then I am wrong in my suspicions.

One other factor is that some school districts may actually be able to better prepare their student body for these exams and do not need to 'cheat' but either way, socio-economic positioning plays a very important role in this process.

[Maribellin]

I think it's perhaps a little simpler than that; socio-economic conditions do not factor in so heavily in this particular case. Essentially - as you alluded to in your last paragraph - the poorer-performing schools will use such 'measures' to boost their grades. What really irks me is that it's done at the expense of the harder working children - I mean, surely the government/awarding bodies are aware of what's going on?

[Doncarlito]

Either that, or the UK school system is very kind and generous, and tries its best to even out the playing field for all of its students by restricting access to exam papers for some (those students who would be prepared for it regardless) and leaving the door open to 'cheating' for others (those whose schools have historically scored lower on the tests, where socio-economic factors cause an inequality in access and quality of services available).

[Doncarlito]

... I mean, surely the government/awarding bodies are aware of what's going on?

I wouldn't doubt that they know what's going on.