[WomanBreast40356]

Today we were going to pray Salah al-Jumu'ah at our small Musallah.

A few minutes before calling the second Adhan, a group of Arabs (never seen before) comes in, asking for wudu' area. I thought they were Egyptians or so, and showed them where to take wudu'..
Then they started praying by themselves, in groups of two, calling the iqamah..
Only then I noticed they put on the carpet their stone to make sajdah on, and pray according to Shia "fiqh". Having realized too late they were Shi'ah, I was confused on what to do, and was thinking whether telling them anything or just leave them. I ask a brother to call the second Adhan as time was running (and I had delayed thinking they just needed to make wudu' and pray Sunnah), and they leave the musalla and don't pray with us. They lost the occasion to hear the ahadith on the status of the Khulafa' ar-Rashidun and the words of Nabi on those who hate the Sahabah ..

Anyway, what should we do in case something like this happens again? Shall we ignore them or throw them away from the musalla?

[ëàìèíàò]

Assalamu alaykum

I understand there are a few muslims in your city. So avoid unnecessary friction.

[WomanBreast40356]

Assalamu alaykum

I understand there are a few muslims in your city. So avoid unnecessary friction.

There are quite a few Muslims and 7 musallas. Further, I forgot to mention that they were not local, but coming from somewhere else (maybe some business trip).

Alhamdulillah, we don't have any Shi'ah in our city, except for a few Afghani Hazara and some non-practising Iranian who maybe don't even consider themselves Shi'ah but plain atheists or majusi.

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There are quite a few Muslims and 7 musallas. Further, I forgot to mention that they were not local, but coming from somewhere else (maybe some business trip).

Alhamdulillah, we don't have any Shi'ah in our city, except for a few Afghani Hazara and some non-practising Iranian who maybe don't even consider themselves Shi'ah but plain atheists or majusi.

Assalamu alaykum

that they were not local Alhamdulillah, happy to read that. My suggestion would to ignore once in a while situation.

[WomanBreast40356]

My suggestion would to ignore once in a while situation.

No ijazah for smashing their teeth, then? :-D

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Assalamu alaykum

no Ijaazah

But

If they start tabarrah majlis or throw filth in the musallah, then all 32 teeth.

[Kennypor]

No ijazah for smashing their teeth, then? :-D

lolz. No.

[rolex-buy]

Ya just ignore.

Last year some shias walked into our jami' musjid, prayed by themselves and left. They were either shia or some other deviant sect. Cos they held their "salat in jamaat" between the azan and iqaamat of asr, then sneaked off.

May be this is a good time for da'wah since they have come barging in without permission from you...

[WomanBreast40356]

Assalamu alaykum

no Ijaazah

But

If they start tabarrah majlis or throw filth in the musallah, then all 32 teeth.

:-D

[gluckmeea]

al-Salamu 'Aleykum,

Why did they pray in an Islamic Mosque you ask? a question that needs answering from their own books HOWEVER I do not have enough time to translate anything "Big" so you'll have to be satisfied with what you get:

al-Kulayni from al-Hussein bin 'Abdullah al-Arjani from Imam abu 'Abdullah: "He who prays in his home THEN goes to one of their mosques to pray in congregation, he shall leave with their reward."

source: al-Kafi 3/380.

Comment: meaning they pray their original prayer at home, then come to our mosques and act as if they're praying but the intention would be to make us think that they "like us" and to create the illusion of "unity" in order to spread their Madhab, and basically the Shia walks out with the Reward of all the Muslims in the mosque leaving them nothing.

al-Tusi from Nasheet bin Saleh from Imam abu al-Hassan al-Awwal: "He who prays at home then Allah shall increase his reward and double it and would raise it fifty levels, and he who prays with his neighbors(Sunnies) then Allah would write for him the reward of those who pray behind Rassul-Allah (SAWS) and he prays with them in their congregational prayer, he leaves his sins with them and takes their reward."

source: al-Tahtheeb 3/273.

Comment: As you can see the Shia takes a big reward for praying home, he doesn't need the mosque to begin with, but if he prayed in a Sunni mosque he'd be written among those who prayed behind Rassul-Allah (SAWS), not only this, he also takes everyone's rewards and leaves them his sins instead.

Ibn Babaweih al-Qummi narrates from al-Sadiq:"If you pray with them(Sunnies), then Allah shall forgive your sins like the number of those who differ with you."

source: al-Faqih 1/407.

Comment: This means if a Shia prays with the Sunnies who obviously differ with him in 'Aqeedah, in order to fool them into believing in this "Unity" then spread his Madhab, Allah shall forgive his sins according to the numbers of Sunnies praying with him in the mosque.


my opinion: let them pray, keep an eye on them and do not allow them to deliver any lectures.

[Kennypor]

Bro tripolisunni, a request. Do mention that you are quoting from Shia sources when you do, coz most of us aren't familiar with their names. We might mistake it to be a sunni source.

al-Salamu 'Aleykum,

Why did they pray in an Islamic Mosque you ask? a question that needs answering from their own books HOWEVER I do not have enough time to translate anything "Big" so you'll have to be satisfied with what you get:

al-Kulayni from al-Hussein bin 'Abdullah al-Arjani from Imam abu 'Abdullah: "He who prays in his home THEN goes to one of their mosques to pray in congregation, he shall leave with their reward."

source: al-Kafi 3/380.

Comment: meaning they pray their original prayer at home, then come to our mosques and act as if they're praying but the intention would be to make us think that they "like us" and to create the illusion of "unity" in order to spread their Madhab, and basically the Shia walks out with the Reward of all the Muslims in the mosque leaving them nothing.

al-Tusi from Nasheet bin Saleh from Imam abu al-Hassan al-Awwal: "He who prays at home then Allah shall increase his reward and double it and would raise it fifty levels, and he who prays with his neighbors(Sunnies) then Allah would write for him the reward of those who pray behind Rassul-Allah (SAWS) and he prays with them in their congregational prayer, he leaves his sins with them and takes their reward."

source: al-Tahtheeb 3/273.

Comment: As you can see the Shia takes a big reward for praying home, he doesn't need the mosque to begin with, but if he prayed in a Sunni mosque he'd be written among those who prayed behind Rassul-Allah (SAWS), not only this, he also takes everyone's rewards and leaves them his sins instead.

Ibn Babaweih al-Qummi narrates from al-Sadiq:"If you pray with them(Sunnies), then Allah shall forgive your sins like the number of those who differ with you."

source: al-Faqih 1/407.

Comment: This means if a Shia prays with the Sunnies who obviously differ with him in 'Aqeedah, in order to fool them into believing in this "Unity" then spread his Madhab, Allah shall forgive his sins according to the numbers of Sunnies praying with him in the mosque.


my opinion: let them pray, keep an eye on them and do not allow them to deliver any lectures.

[gluckmeea]

Bro tripolisunni, a request. Do mention that you are quoting from Shia sources ^ They're Shia sources.

[Cheeniandab]

Ignore them, but do one thing if they tried to disturb your prayers/Jumaa, talk to them and tell them that is a sunni mosque and if you dont obey OUR rules leave at ounce.

[vforvandetta]

personally, i wouldnt say anything to them but id DEFINITELY provoke them, when they answer back then CRASH BANG WALLOP. if i aint going to stand up for the mothers of the believers then who else am i going to stand up for.

[ëàìèíàò]

personally, i wouldnt say anything to them but id DEFINITELY provoke them, when they answer back then CRASH BANG WALLOP. if i aint going to stand up for the mothers of the believers then who else am i going to stand up for.

Assalamu alaykum

The discussion is about a musalla in Italy (not a masjid in Pakistan or Saudia). Let peace prevail.

[WomanBreast40356]

you all.

my opinion: let them pray, keep an eye on them and do not allow them to deliver any lectures.

Ignore them, but do one thing if they tried to disturb your prayers/Jumaa, talk to them and tell them that is a sunni mosque and if you dont obey OUR rules leave at ounce.

These were the most practical advices I think.

Yes, when I realized that we were delaying our prayer for people who were praying their own Salah, I told the brother to call the Adhan. Had I known before, I had told the brother to call it earlier.

Anyway, are you all sure isn't there anything wrong in letting kuffar (I follow the views of Rawafid being kuffar) pray in our musalla?
Shall we let christians pray at our musalla too, then?

[gluckmeea]

you all.





These were the most practical advices I think.

Yes, when I realized that we were delaying our prayer for people who were praying their own Salah, I told the brother to call the Adhan. Had I known before, I had told the brother to call it earlier.

Anyway, are you all sure isn't there anything wrong in letting kuffar (I follow the views of Rawafid being kuffar) pray in our musalla?
Shall we let christians pray at our musalla too, then?

Salam,

it's up to you on how you handle this, if you've got supporters from the people of the Masjid, then approach them, ask them for their opinion on the Quran if its distorted or not, if the order of verses has been tampered with by the Sahaba, if they don't believe this then go along with it, ask about 'Aisha (ra), Abu Bakr (ra), 'Umar (ra) and 'Uthman (ra), if the reply is positive then go along with it, ask about the Imams if they believe they are superior to prophets, if they don't believe this then go along with it, that's pretty much it for now, if you get any negative replies to the above questions then by all means ban them from the mosque.

[TaxSheemaSter]

Beside the "shia fiqh" we have no knowledge of their aqeeda, have husn dhunn and dont assume their kuffar...afterall they are praying to Allah.
ASking them about abu bakr and umar is entrapment really, how are they going to answer if you WANT them to bad mouth the comnpanions.
fitna is worse than murder

[Soadiassy]

which one of you would allow me to step foot in your homes after i left islam, regularly swore and abused your whole family in the most vulgar of ways ever, accused your women folk of being adulterers, and supported the killing of your family?

[WomanBreast40356]

Beside the "shia fiqh" we have no knowledge of their aqeeda, have husn dhunn and dont assume their kuffar...

At the opposite, we do have knowledge of their 'aqidah, and it's on this very basis that the Ulama have made takfir of them.
We're not talking about actions and sins here, that we can have husn ad-dann; we're talking about 'Aqa'id...

afterall they are praying to Allah.

Same could be said for Qadyanis, jews and christians.. Open doors for them, too?

fitna is worse than murder

And in fact it was Shi'ah separating themselves from Islam.
Fitna is worse than murder, indeed.