[horaAppagob]

Bismillah

Could someone whos very familiar with the four madhabs let me know if any of them allow decent postive songs and music or nasheeds.I would appreciate it very much.JazakAllah kyran

Because there are hadiths about the Prophet[saws] listening to singers.Are these hadiths weak??

[Kennypor]

Great Scholars of Islam on Music. Is Music Haram?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhveITz8Dc

[horaAppagob]

Great Scholars of Islam on Music. Is Music Haram?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhveITz8Dc

JazakAllah kyran Brother.

On Hamsa Yusef website I believe its Hamsuf Yusef site,they sell cds by Muslim artists that contain music.
So I still wonder about this as well as the hadiths about the Prophet[saws] listening to singers.The Brother in the video did not touch on those hadiths.

[JohnMitchel]

This is, of course, a very famous and old matter of dispute and ikhtilaf. Although many of the scholars of Islam declared that music is impermissible, the other opinion is certainly not to be put aside, as such dismissal is nothing but a disservice and injustice to the great `ulama of our tradition who held that opinion.

For instance, permitting music is a well-known position attributed to the School of Madinah (i.e. the Maliki madhhab). As for the what the `ulama have mentioned, it being permitted is established from the likes of Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi, and implied by others such as Imam Al-Shatibi. This is also an opinion to be found in all of the other madhhabs too.

With regard to the ahadith about music, Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi says in his book, Al-Ahkam, “None of the ahadith maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the muhaddithun [i.e. scholars of the Science of Hadith]).” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn Al-Nahwi in Al-`Umdah. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these ahadith were proved to be authentic.” And Ibn Hazm says, “All the ahadith narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”

It should be made very clear that I do not make this post in order to prove that music is mubah (permissible), and that the other position is to be rejected, but in my experience, people who claim that music is haram simply dismiss the other position which was held by many of the righteous scholars of Islam until today, and they base this upon daleel also.

This is a mukhtalafi issue and should be treated as such.

[horaAppagob]

This is, of course, a very famous and old matter of dispute and ikhtilaf. Although many of the scholars of Islam declared that music is impermissible, the other opinion is certainly not to be put aside, as such dismissal is nothing but a disservice and injustice to the great `ulama of our tradition who held that opinion.

For instance, permitting music is a well-known position attributed to the School of Madinah (i.e. the Maliki madhhab). As for the what the `ulama have mentioned, it being permitted is established from the likes of Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi, and implied by others such as Imam Al-Shatibi. This is also an opinion to be found in all of the other madhhabs too.

With regard to the ahadith about music, Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi says in his book, Al-Ahkam, “None of the ahadith maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the muhaddithun [i.e. scholars of the Science of Hadith]).” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn Al-Nahwi in Al-`Umdah. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these ahadith were proved to be authentic.” And Ibn Hazm says, “All the ahadith narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”

It should be made very clear that I do not make this post in order to prove that music is mubah (permissible), and that the other position is to be rejected, but in my experience, people who claim that music is haram simply dismiss the other position which was held by many of the righteous scholars of Islam until today, and they base this upon daleel also.

This is a mukhtalafi issue and should be treated as such.

JazakAllah kyran Brother!
WaSalaam

[Maribellin]

This is, of course, a very famous and old matter of dispute and ikhtilaf. Although many of the scholars of Islam declared that music is impermissible, the other opinion is certainly not to be put aside, as such dismissal is nothing but a disservice and injustice to the great `ulama of our tradition who held that opinion.

For instance, permitting music is a well-known position attributed to the School of Madinah (i.e. the Maliki madhhab). As for the what the `ulama have mentioned, it being permitted is established from the likes of Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi, and implied by others such as Imam Al-Shatibi. This is also an opinion to be found in all of the other madhhabs too.

With regard to the ahadith about music, Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi says in his book, Al-Ahkam, “None of the ahadith maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the muhaddithun [i.e. scholars of the Science of Hadith]).” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn Al-Nahwi in Al-`Umdah. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these ahadith were proved to be authentic.” And Ibn Hazm says, “All the ahadith narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”

It should be made very clear that I do not make this post in order to prove that music is mubah (permissible), and that the other position is to be rejected, but in my experience, people who claim that music is haram simply dismiss the other position which was held by many of the righteous scholars of Islam until today, and they base this upon daleel also.

This is a mukhtalafi issue and should be treated as such.

As for Ibn Tahir and Ibn Hazm, they've been refuted throughly on this issue, and it has been demonstrated that they weren't particularly honest with their readings of the texts.

You mention that al-Ghazali and Ibn al-'Arabi say that ahadith prohibitting 'singing' are weak - the issue here is the instruments. If you meant instruments, could you please reference the quote(s) from al-Ghazali as well as Shatibi? Name-dropping, honestly, does not suffice.

[AntonioMQ]

This is, of course, a very famous and old matter of dispute and ikhtilaf. Although many of the scholars of Islam declared that music is impermissible, the other opinion is certainly not to be put aside, as such dismissal is nothing but a disservice and injustice to the great `ulama of our tradition who held that opinion.

For instance, permitting music is a well-known position attributed to the School of Madinah (i.e. the Maliki madhhab). As for the what the `ulama have mentioned, it being permitted is established from the likes of Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi, and implied by others such as Imam Al-Shatibi. This is also an opinion to be found in all of the other madhhabs too.

With regard to the ahadith about music, Qadi Abu Bakr Ibn Al-`Arabi says in his book, Al-Ahkam, “None of the ahadith maintaining that singing is prohibited are considered authentic (by the muhaddithun [i.e. scholars of the Science of Hadith]).” The same view is maintained by Al-Ghazali and Ibn Al-Nahwi in Al-`Umdah. Ibn Tahir says, “Not even a single letter from all these ahadith were proved to be authentic.” And Ibn Hazm says, “All the ahadith narrated in this respect were invented and falsified.”

It should be made very clear that I do not make this post in order to prove that music is mubah (permissible), and that the other position is to be rejected, but in my experience, people who claim that music is haram simply dismiss the other position which was held by many of the righteous scholars of Islam until today, and they base this upon daleel also.

This is a mukhtalafi issue and should be treated as such.

I don't see any mention of permissibility of music. Singing is something completely different.

[JohnMitchel]

Imam Al-Shawkani mentions in his book, Nayl Al-Awtar, about the Malikiyyah: “The People of Madinah and those who agreed with them from among the Dhahiriyyah and the Sufiyyah maintain that singing is permissible, even when it is accompanied by a musical instrument such as the lute or the flute.

Al-Ruwayyani narrates on the authority of Al-Qaffal that Malik Ibn Anas maintained that singing with musical instruments is permissible. Also, Abu Mansur Al-Furani quotes Malik as maintaining that playing the flute is permissible.

Abu Al-Fadl Ibn Tahir narrates, “The People of Madinah never disputed over the permissibility of playing the lute.”

Ibn Al-Nahwi narrates in Al-`Umdah: “Ibn Tahir said, ‘The People of Madinah showed consensus over this (issue). Also, all the Dhahiriyyah maintained the same.'”

[Moupponge]

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This is a mukhtalafi issue and should be treated as such.

Many of the authoritative scholars of all four Madhabs condemned music severely without restriction, and without recognising it as a mukhtalafi issue. We should adopt their attitude towards this issue.

[JohnMitchel]

Many of the authoritative scholars of all four Madhabs condemned music severely without restriction, and without recognising it as a mukhtalafi issue. We should adopt their attitude towards this issue.

And what about the other authoritative scholars of our tradition who allowed music? Their attitude was clearly dissimilar to those you mentioned, so why can't we adopt their attitude regardless of the position that one may chose to take for oneself?

[Moupponge]

And what about the other authoritative scholars of our tradition who allowed music? Their attitude was clearly dissimilar to those you mentioned, so why can't we adopt their attitude regardless of the position that one may chose to take for oneself?

You may choose to do so if you feel that it is so essential to both lives, and if you have complete certitude that the stern warning from the early Mujtahids not to fall for the errors of the scholars do not apply here. However, you will find that the dominant opinion amongst the fuqaha is the one of intolerance towards your position.

[AntonioMQ]

Why are minority opinions being brought up as being the stance of the madhahib? Clearly the OP is asking about the stance of any of the madhahib with regards to music. If you want to go down the route of minority opinion, know that there even exist minority opinions that allow consumption of any and all food that is consumed by the Ahlul Kitaab - yes, consumed, not just slaughtered. There are minority opinions about many things that some scholars of the past have come up with but is that what a layman should be following? He will most likely be jeopardizing his deen by delving into matters that he is not an expert on.

Brother Junaid, you should really reevaluate the reason why you bring up minority opinions to justify music. For example, you say that someone said that Imam Malik permitted music. But are these following statements not also attributed to Imam Malik ?
About singing: "In fact, that is done by the sinful ones."
At-Tabari said, "As for Malik bin Anas, he truly did prohibit singing and listening to it."
He also said, "If one purchased a servant-girl and found her to be a professional singer, he could return her to the original owner for reimbursement on the claim of having found fault in the merchandise."
Al-Qurtubi mentioned from Ibn Khuwayz Mandad that Imam Malik had learned singing and music when he was young. His mother encouraged him to leave it for studying the religion, after which he came to the conclusion that such things were prohibited.
Al-Qurtubi also said, "As for that which is done in our day, by way of the (blameworthy) innovations (bidah) of the Sufi mystics in addition to their hearing songs to the accompaniment of melodious instruments such as flutes, string instruments etc. such is haram (forbidden)."

In fact, you'll be hard-pressed to find any direct quote from Imam Malik that justifies listening to music. But you will find a lot to the contrary. Imam Ahmed reported from Imam Malik the hadeeth about music breeding nifaq in the heart.