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![]() if someone walks into your house and rapes your family members would you give them dawah? because thats whats happening worldwide. theres a time and place for dawah. sorry for sounding extreme but just the opinion of the ulema i follow. the mumineen are one body so we should feel there pain aswell, if our relatives are even looked at by a ghair mehram indecently some of us would atleast throw a punch, what about the worldwide oppression? ![]() |
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Jazakallah for your brief and TO-THE-POINT reply. Most ppl love to beat around the bush to hide the truth. This is worth its weight in gold: if someone walks into your house and rapes your family members would you give them dawah? because thats whats happening worldwide. theres a time and place for dawah. Wassalaam |
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I found this on the website of Mufti Ahmad Saadiq Desai, a true Deobandi From Majlisul Ulama of South Africa.
What a difference between the real and fake deobandis! Read this, you'll love it. __________________________________________________ _______________________ 24 Jamaadil Awwal 1432 – 29 May 2011 THE 'MULLAHS' – ISLAM'S SHIELD FOR THE FLAK Recounting some acts of brutality and torture inflicted on helpless Muslim prisoners by America and its protégés in their black torture facilities, one of the episodes circulated by a brother, states: "Another sister of Islam who was a victim of the Crusade war in Afghanistan, Sister Abidah was imprisoned in Bagram Prison located in Afghanistan. She accompanied over 500 men. The American soldiers would parade naked in front of her…………. The only people to help sister Abidah were not Muslims like you and I, they were not from the so-called Muslim organizations, they were not so-called Imams or Mullahs that only come out to condemn the Muslims……" It is not our intention to speak in defence of 'you and I' nor the 'Muslim organizations'. However, the 'Mullahs' to whom the brother has directed his insinuation, must be vindicated. Generally, those who have an aversion for Islamic orthodoxy, i.e. the strict Sunnah of Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam), due to their hypocrisy lack the courage to directly inveigle Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Thus the Ulama (Mullahs) have become an easy target for the disgorgement of insult and vilification by the enemies of the Sunnah. The Mullahs on the other hand proudly take the flak which is intended for Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the Shariah. After all, the Mullahs are the Shields with whom Allah Ta'ala protects His Deen in this dunya. It is precisely for this reason that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "The Ulama (Mullahs) are the Heirs of the Ambiya." An intelligent, unbiased observer viewing the global scenario will not fail to discern that in this era, no one other than the Mullahs are upholding the Standard of Jihad. About this Jihad which only the Mullahs are today fighting, Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Jihad will continue until the Day of Qiyaamah." Who is it today that has taken on the combined military might of the world – of the western superpowers and their myriad of puppets? Who is today fighting the Jihad against the U.S.A. and its coalition of aggressors? Is it not the Taliban? Who are the Taliban? Much to the chagrin of the hypocrites who detest the orthodoxy of Islam, the Taliban are none other than MULLAHS. They are primarily 'illiterate' Mullahs who are holding aloft the banner of Islam in countless Jihad operations which have bogged down the world of the kuffaar in a quagmire which has become the Hell-Hole of the U.S. and its coalition of cowards. These brave Mullahs are fighting the superpowers with all their sophisticated military might despite the great paucity of weaponry in the ranks of these Mullahs whom the enemies of the Sunnah disdain.. The entire world of the kuffaar has united to eliminate these brave and noble Mullahs who are sowing havoc with their Swords of Imaan in the ranks of the filthy, stinking, cowardly ranks of the U.S. and its forces. The entire world – the U.S.A., all western powers and their enlisted mercenary protégés (the governments of all Muslim countries), have formed the Devil's Coalition, to destroy not only the Mullahs, but their Deeni institutions (the Madaaris) as well. The U.S.A. is pumping billions of dollars into Pakistan to counter the Madaaris of these Mullahs. It is these Mullahs who are operating the Madaaris and most of the Mujahideen are the students of these Mullahs. Thus, the Jihad in Afghanistan is a Jihad by the Mullahs. Tremendous pressure is placed on the Madaaris in Pakistan and elsewhere in the effort and conspiracy to cut off the recruit-supply of the Mullahs who are the Men of Islam - the only ones in the world who are standing up and fighting the brutal invaders, comparatively speaking, with almost their bare hands. The Mujahideen are not the products of secular universities, nor of modernist organizations and institutions. They are the products of the institutions of the Mullahs. America's so-called 'war on terror' is directed almost 100% against the Mullahs and their Madaaris. Numerous Madaaris were struck and destroyed with cowardly drone attacks on the basis of the belief that these Madaaris are the quarters of refuge and headquarters of the Taliban Mullahs who are proudly carrying aloft the Standard of Jihad against the combined enemy forces of the world of kuffaar. Giving the assurance of ultimate victory to the Mullahs, the Qur'aan Majeed says: "They with their coalition cannot fight you (O Mullahs! except from within barricaded fortifications or from behind walls (of barracks)." Alhamdulillah thumma Alhamdulillah! The Mullahs in Afghanistan are currently riding on the crest of the wave of Jihad. Just the other day, they simultaneously hit. 19 bases of the coalition of kuffaar. A couple of days later, they overran an entire district in Nuristan. Daily, the acts of Jihad of the Mullahs are on the increase while the enemy has cowardly withdrawn into barricaded fortifications. They venture out only with their murderous air force to pulverize villages of women and children from the safety of the air. The Mullahs have taken the Jihad to the cities. In the current phase of the Jihad, the fighting is hardly in the mountains and in the wilderness. The cowards of the U.S.A. and its coalition forces refuse to come out and fight the Mullahs. They remain slinking in their barracks and send out planes to pummel villages and the folk of these villages. The brother who has directed his baseless criticism at the Mullahs, should understand that primarily only the Mullahs and their institutions are being targeted by the Kuffaar world. Anything related to the Mullahs is also targeted for attack by the U.S.A. and its kuffaar and munaafiq protégés. Even the Makaatib (small hut-like classes) in which little children learn to recite the Qur'aan Shareef, are being harrassed by the agents of the U.S.A. These agents are the governments in the Muslim lands. A variety of schemes is designed from time to time to obstruct the smooth operation of the Makaatib which cater for millions of Muslim children. The kuffaar superpowers so much dread the Mullahs, that everything related to Mullahism (i.e. to fundamentalist Islam – to the Sunnah) is viewed with suspicion and targeted for attack. Thus, the beard, the Sunnah attire, the hut in which the Qur'aan is taught, the Miswaak, the burqah, and just every little paraphernalia associated with the Mullahs have all become IEDs (Improvised Explosive Devices). These Mullahs of Jihad whom the cowardly modernists in our ranks revile are the Men who move in a wonderous Shade – the Shade of Holy Jihad about which Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: "Jannat lies in the Shadow of Swords." Which Swords? Who can deny that these Swords mentioned by our beloved Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) are today wielded only by the illiterate Mullahs of Afghanistan, the Taliban. Stand up in ovation and go down to kiss their feet, if you consider yourself to be a member of the Ummah of Muhammadur Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam). Let it not be forgotten that it was primarily the Mullahs who drove the communists Soviets from Afghanistan. It were the Mullahs who drove the modernist, pro-Indiia Rabbaani regime from Afghanistan. It was the Taliban Mullah regime which the U.S.A. with its coalition of world forces dislodged from Kabul – from only Kabul, not from Afghanistan. The Jihad of the Mullahs continues there. The Mullahs are perpetuating the Jihad in Afghanistan against stupendous odds. Even the enemy has no option but to admire this rag-tag army of Mullahs who are standing proudly with the Sword of Jihad in their hands. This degenerate Ummah with its preponderance of rubbish modernists, munaafiqs, zindeeqs and shayaateen in human form, has been given some honour by that small band of rag-tag Mullahs who are knocking the hell out of the U.S.A. and NATO cowards. With Sajdahs and Swords, they are bringing honour to the down-trodden Ummah groping in abject humiliation. Yet we have some 'brothers' who have the audacity to baselessly target these valiant sons of Islam, the Taliban Mullahs, with the rot they disgorge from their filthy mouths and hearts of hypocrisy. Allah Ta'ala operates in wonderful and mysterious ways. He has demonstrated to the world of kuffaar and to the hypocrite-zindeeq world known as the World of Islam of this era, that only the Mullahs are holding aloft the Flag of Islam. Only the Mullahs have unsheathed the Sword of Jihad. Only the Mullahs have stopped the superpowers of the world. Only the Mullahs come within the purview of the Qur'aanic aayat: "Many were the small groups (the rag-tag armies) who vanquished large armies (such as the armies of the coalition of the U.S.A. and NATO) with the permission of Allah.." And, do not for a moment forget that all the Sahaabah were Mullahs who propagated the very same orthodoxy to which the Mullahs adhere today, albeit in a watered down form. About these Mullahs who are despised by modernist 'Muslims', the Qur'aan Majeed declares: "And if We grant them political sovereignty on earth, they establish Salaat, give Zakaat, command righteousness and prohibit evil." Salaat, Zakaat, Amr Bil Ma'roof Nahy Anil Munkar – these are the occupations of only the Mullahs. Today this Ummah has no asset other than the Mullahs and their institutions, for only they are meeting the brutal enemy head-on. With all their short-comings, the Mullahs today are still the best of the Ummah. They do no deserve unjustified criticism by Muslims. They deserve our heartfelt supplications. Muslims have the bounden obligation to make sincere and fervent dua for these Mullahs who are so effectively swinging their Swords of Jihad. Only these Mullahs have bestowed some honour to us fallen Muslims. The only glimmer of hope for this Ummah are the Mullahs. The U.S. enemy is targeting the Mullahs, and so are the stupid or hypocritical 'Muslims' targeting the Mullahs on whom to spit out their venom of hate for the Deen. And, we beg your pardon, O Zindeeq! The Mullahs don't come out to condemn Muslims. They condemn zindeeqs and mulhids who masquerade as Muslims. The Mullahs have come out wielding the Swords of Jihad against the combined might of the kuffaar world who has been joined by all the kuffaar governments holding sway in the Muslim lands. Thus, the entire world is aligned against a small band of impoverished Mullahs. The Mullahs in Afghanistan have resolutely confronted the brutal kuffaar invaders for more than ten years, and they (the Mullahs) have not slackened their resolve to fight the savages despite their pitiful mundane state in terms of weaponry and other material resources. It is with the Qur'aan in the one hand, and the Sword of Jihad in the other hand that these illiterate Mullahs have successfully opposed the evil enemy with all his superpower might. How dare any Muslim wag a vicious tongue of venom against these noble and valiant Mullahs? In his synopsis of brutal episodes perpetrated against abducted Muslims, the brother also refers to the abduction of the Pakistani national, Khalid Rashid. Referring to this episode, the brother says: "The Department of Home Affairs, which appears to have been asked by the police crime intelligence division to provide legal cover for Rashid's arrest and handover to Pakistani authorities, has been left exposed to charges that it connived with the South African Police Service and foreign intelligence agencies in the "extraordinary rendition" of a suspect in the war against terror." It appears that this brother is blissfully ignorant or is feigning ignorance regarding the process which by the grace of Allah Ta'ala ultimately secured the release of Khalid Rashid from one of America's torture facilities in Pakistan. Mullahs here in South Africa had initiated the process and had seen the process to its successful end. It were not modernists. It were only Mullahs. Whilst all other Muslims in the country had abandoned Khalid Rashid, a group of Mullahs had taken up the challenge and by Allah's fadhl succeeded to gain Khalid Rashid's release. The following episode of Mullah Hadhrat Ali Ibn Abi Talib (radhiyallahu anhu) adequately reflects the attitude of the Mullahs who are brandishing the Sword of Jihad and holding aloft the Banner of Islam in Afghanistan. Once in the midst of a severe battle, Mullah Hadhrat Ali (radhiyallahu anhu), overcome with tiredness and drowsiness fell asleep on his horse while spears and arrows were flying from all sides. The agitated horse, with the drowsy Mullah (radhiyallahu anhu) was wandering aimlessly in the battle field. A companion seeing the sleeping Mullah (radhiyallahu anhu) screamed to wake him up. Mullah Ali (radhiyallahu anhu) opened his eyes and with extreme calm said non-chalantly: "From which two days of Maut can I flee? The day that Maut has been decreed Or the day it has not been decreed? The day Maut has not been decreed It will not arrive The day it has been decreed, no amount Of defence will avail. The sword and the dagger are our flowers Confound the narcissus and the myrtle Our wine is the blood of our enemies Our cups are the hollow of the skulls . Brother salute the Mullahs who are holding aloft the banner of Jihad, and repent for your hypocrisy and for the hatred you harbour for the Mullahs of Jihad. Source: http://www.themajlis.co.za/index.php...haqq&Itemid=55 _____________ Subhanallah |
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They invited them in and spoke to them about Islam. If these soldiers leave the masjid with an iota more respect for the Muslim traditions and Muslim beliefs, that can only be a good thing. The stories that we hear of British and American troops abusing Muslims are due to lack of respect, understanding and care for the Muslim way of life coupled with the animalistic and barbaric tendencies and hate that they conceal within their hearts. If there was one way to give dawah to them or to try and decrease that, isn't this the method? ![]() But I do agree with OP that we need to offer the same type of 'lets look at the bigger picture' approach when it comes to initiatives taken by non-deobandis too. |
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![]() I read this before somewhere: Our Akabireen are the real Deobandis. What they stood for in regards to the maslak of Deoband we can never match hence we are not even worth the “dal” (د) on Deobandi, let alone ascribing ourselves to their maslak. Their strict adherence to the Qur’an and Sunnah is unparalled to any claimants of today. To say who is a Deobandi refer to the Akabireen as the benchmark. |
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well done Deobandi's!
the general british soldeirs in my view hardly know anything about Islam, thus they are not fighting Islam in Afghanistan, but have just fallen for propaganda of their government and think they are fighting an opressive Taliban regime and terrorists; this mosque visit and talk is a beutifull way to introduce Islam to them and give them dawah; inshAllah after that they will have more respect for Islam and it's people that mosque visit is not about congratulating them on their travel to Afghan., but it is only to teach them about Islam |
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I agree with giving da'wah to the soldiers, explaining to them about islaam and maybe even showing them kindness to a certain degree, in hope of attracting them to the truth.
BUT i totally disagree with doing it in the mosque. They are, after all kuffaar and the masjid is the sacred and pure house of ALLAH. Don't tell me there was NO other venue availabe to hold their meeting! And even if there really wasn't, i don't think its correct to bring the enemy of ALLAH into the house of ALLAH. |
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that mosque visit is not about congratulating them on their travel to Afghan., but it is only to teach them about Islam So that means if you invite a bunch of killers and rapists to the mosques, knowing fully well they are going to kill your brothers next day, you are going to "invite" them to Islam or "tell" them about it, without even once hinting to the heinous deeds they are about the commit? What kind of nonsense is this? |
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Assalam alikum wa rahmat Allah. May Allah swt bless you. WAN eye opening argument jazak Allah khair brother. you are so right.
No bro I must disagree with you. |
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If it is not about congratulating, did they tell these soldiers even once that it is wrong and hypocritical to go to Afghanistan and that your war is not legimate and rather unmoral? The soldiers can't be so stupid to go and kill innocent people out of ignorance. They have brains (or do they?) to think and understand what they're doing. |
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If it is not about congratulating, did they tell these soldiers even once that it is wrong and hypocritical to go to Afghanistan and that your war is not legimate and rather unmoral? Assalam alikum wa rahmat Allah. May Allah swt bless you. WAN eye opening argument jazak Allah khair brother. you are so right. Brothers like you are the reason why I keep coming back to this forum. If everyone here was in a consensus that it was a "good deed" to invite a bunch of najis-laden, murderously bloodthirsty, sexually-perverted, blasphemous, war-mongering disbelievers into the House of Allah, then indeed this forum would have to be thrown into the trash bin as yet another deviant, midguided (so-called) Islamic forum. May Allah guide us to the straight path, ameen. __________________________________________________ ______ O ye who believe! Shall I show you a commerce that will save you from a painful doom? Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger, and carry out Jihad for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives. That is better for you, if ye did but know. He will forgive you your sins and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, and pleasant dwellings in Gardens of Eden. That is the supreme triumph. And (He will give you) another (blessing) which ye love: help from Allah and present victory. Give good tidings (O Muhammad) to believers. (Qur'an Majeed 61:10-13) |
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MUST READ!
Al Haqq-Bulletin No.39-October 2011 Published by Majlisul Ulama of South Africa (led by Mufti A S Desai) http://www.themajlis.co.za/books/alhaq39.pdf 12 pages of Haq (truth) about the Taliban and Jihaad in general. |
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If it is not about congratulating, did they tell these soldiers even once that it is wrong and hypocritical to go to Afghanistan and that your war is not legimate and rather unmoral? |
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I agree with giving da'wah to the soldiers, explaining to them about islaam and maybe even showing them kindness to a certain degree, in hope of attracting them to the truth. |
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For those who are blindly obsessed with da'wah without any due regard for the Shariah of Allah ta'aala, the article below is a fitting reply.
Maulana Binnuri on Haram Methods Commenting on the employment of haraam methods ostensibly for the sake of the Deen and Tabligh, Hadhrat Maulana Yusuf Binnuri (rahmatullah alayh) said: “With regards to methods for Tabligh and Da’wat, I wish to present a principle. Allah Ta’ala has not obliged us to produce uprighteous Muslims by any means whatsoever. Yes, we have the obligation of harnessing all lawful ways of Tableegh which are within the scope of our acquisition and ability as best as we are able to. Just as Islam has commanded us with the duty of Tabligh, it has also shown us the honourable ways and etiquettes of discharging this obligation. We are obliged only to execute the duty of Tabligh within the confines of these ways. If we are successful in our efforts of Tabligh whilst observing the lawful ways and means, then we have achieved the objective. However, assuming that we cannot accomplish the objective by employing these lawful methods, then we are not obliged to resort to unlawful methods to call people to the Deen, and to cast aside the rules and etiquettes of Tableegh. It is not permissible to adopt any methods whether permissible or not. If we manage to reform even one person by employing the lawful means of the Shariah, then the mission of our Tableegh is achieved and successful. On the contrary, if we convert a hundred people by the utilization of unlawful means, then this ‘success’ has no value by Allah Ta’ala. Tableegh which is executed by trampling on the ahkaam of the Deen is not Deen. It is the propagation of something other than the Deen. Films (as well as pictures, videos, television, etc.) are by themselves in conflict with the laws of Islam. Thus, we are not obliged to utilize such methods for Tableegh. If we do not adhere to this method (i. the lawful method), then today we shall utilize films to satisfy the whims of people. Tomorrow we shall begin to make use of semi-nude women for the objective of Tableegh. This will be followed by functions of singing and music to draw people towards the Deen. In this manner, in the name of Tableegh we shall be guilty of trampling on the laws of the Deen.” (Hadhrat Maulana Yusuf Binnuri – rahmatullah alayh – presented the above naseehat in 1977 when he was requested to give a talk on television. The narrator of this naseehat is Maulana Muhammad Taqi Sahib who had accompanied Maulana Binnuri on the journey on that occasion. Maulana Muhammad Taqi had also commented as follows: “This was Maulana Binnuri’s last address to the Council. On reflection, it will be understood that this was the final naseehat of Maulana Binniri to all workers of Da’wat and the Deen. It is most befitting to impress this naseehat on the tablet of the heart.” http://www.themajlis.co.za/books/MajlisVol21No02.pdf |
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![]() I just read a fatwa which says its permissible to let non-muslims inside the mosque. http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/...=3600&act=view BUT, The British Soldiers are actively in war against the muslims. I have heard the normal courtesy and politeness thats to be shown to non-muslims is NOT applicable to the kuffar who is in active war with the Muslims. So the real question is that are such enemies of Islam allowed inside the mosque? Are such dawah applicable in such conditions? I wish some respected Ulema issue a fatwa on this matter, so it will be clear for us. |
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RasoolAllah Firstly bring forth the EXACT HADITH. What have the authentic scholars from the salaf commented on it? What rules have been derived from it? What are the conditions attached? Most importantly, does Islam really allow a bunch of murderers-cum-rapists-cum-robbers to roam freely in the House of Allah with their physical and spiritual najaasat? Let's not attribute anything false to Rasulullah s.a.w. (I am not saying you did, just a general advise), for then our seat in Jahannum is confirmed. |
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