[agiopwer]

brother you know nothing about Dr.Israr

you know nothing but taunting

Is it a new trand to tell everyone "you know nothing , you know nothing".

[MightyMasd]

oh come on abu layl brother , you know nothing but taunting remember a believer never taunts , it is the trait of kuffar to taunt , come on brother stop taunting ,

anyone knows nothing else u and ur doctors?
ha...ha.........ha

[SoftrermaBioniaSat]

Assalamualaykum. To be honest, I don't think "Tablighi Jamaat" need any advice from anybody outside five amaal. Alllahualam !

[ffdfriendforurr]

Assalamu alaykum

Regarding OP, TJ had been getting tonnes and tonnes advices from the beginning, a few more grams from Dr. Israar Ahamed is added and happily accepted. But the followers of Dr sahib are requested not to force on the TJ to practice them.

[Aztegjpl]

subhannallah why certain fans of tanzeem are so intent on pointing every flaw or percieved flaw in TJ is beyond me.

i have never seen TJers so intent on attacking tanzeem, tho i have seen them attack maududi (rah) on occassion but that is a completely diff matter.

Assalaamoalaykum-w-w
Exactly my sentiments. TJ the whipping boys.

[forebirdo]

Some of the brothers who are resorting to taunting, and diverting from the topic, should not do so as it might be counted as sin in your account, and you may attain the displeasure of Allaah ta'aala.

Let us engage in discussion in amicable manners, and disagree with respect.

[freevideoandoicsI]

Not really since the Tableeghi Jamaat has a specific purpose, which is to get Muslims to act like Muslims. That is all. People who go in Jamaat themselves improve themselves immensely. They gain more respect for the deen and الحمد لله bring more and more aspects of Islam into their lives. It is a limited scope but it is one of the most important aspects of deen. The purpose of the Jamaat is to revive Islam within our lives. The purpose of the Jamaat is not to bring any new information. Muslims know that they have to pray, they have to fast, etc. The Jamaat merely reminds itself and other Muslims.

You do not join TJ if you want to be an 'aalim, although you may learn somethings. You do not join TJ if you want to bring about a khilafah, although it may inculcate the feeling. The Jamaat is meant to light the spark.

Well then it would be nice if they just openly admit that they do not give a holistic call to Islam. I've heard lofty self-praise such as them saying theres no work greater then theres being done anywhere in the world today, without ever hearing them encourage people to join those who call to the whole of Islam. I've heard if you pray and smile then the whole country will become Muslim, without ever hearing about the importance of actually calling kuffar to Islam. They mention amazing stories on the past Muslims who went out and opened many lands then apply that to going on jamat with them, without even mentioning the situation in the Muslim world today.


Edit: Apologies if I sounded harsh.

[forebirdo]

Well then it would be nice if they just openly admit that they do not give a holistic call to Islam. I've heard lofty self-praise such as them saying theres no work greater then theres being done anywhere in the world today, without ever hearing them encourage people to join those who call to the whole of Islam. I've heard if you pray and smile then the whole country will become Muslim, without ever hearing about the importance of actually calling kuffar to Islam. They mention amazing stories on the past Muslims who went out and opened many lands then apply that to going on jamat with them, without even mentioning the situation in the Muslim world today.

You are right; if one praises the work on those basis, then it would fall short on its claims.
Having said that, there are many other fronts in which the work excels, such as instilling zeal to practice full deen; encouraging Muslims to fulfill their fard-e 'ayns, starting with prayer, etc. Moreover, the scholars in the effort always clarify that the effort is not full deen, but it helps towards bringing full deen.

Wallaahu a'lam.

[Hammaduersnes]

Well then it would be nice if they just openly admit that they do not give a holistic call to Islam. I've heard lofty self-praise such as them saying theres no work greater then theres being done anywhere in the world today, without ever hearing them encourage people to join those who call to the whole of Islam. I've heard if you pray and smile then the whole country will become Muslim, without ever hearing about the importance of actually calling kuffar to Islam. They mention amazing stories on the past Muslims who went out and opened many lands then apply that to going on jamat with them, without even mentioning the situation in the Muslim world today.


Edit: Apologies if I sounded harsh.

The reason many believe that the work is one of the most, if not the most, important da'wah going on now is because there are way too many people who call themselves Muslims but a very small percentage that lives up to the label. Yes, da'wah to non-Muslims is a good thing, but is it not better to clean our own house before trying to tell others about Islam? If we don't know what Islam is ourselves, what hope do we have of conveying the message to others? Many non-Muslims may even be dissuaded by knowing that so many Muslims do not practice what they preach.

The Jamaat was started because Muslims were doing things that no Muslim should do, such as praying at temples. What kind of message does it send to a non-Muslim if we call him towards tawheed and following the sunnahs but then he turns around and sees self-professed Muslims going to the club when jum'ah salah is going on?

[maxuilg]

well brother the problem in our society has been that people like us who have very little knowledge of Quran and Ahadiths start talking negatively about great scholars like Doctor Israr Ahmad ,Doctor Zakir Naik . and establishing Khilafa is not an easy think , it cannot be done while sitting in an airconditioned room of a hotel in Mumbai or Lahore ,it requires extreme struggle and Doctor Israr Ahmad did that through out his lifetime and the rest ALLAH SWT knows best , so we are no one to talk about great scholars like Doctor Israr Ahmad and Doctor Zakir Naik .

where did Dr. Zakir Naik come in the debate? Please don't try to relate Dr. Israar Ahmed sahab with Dr. Zakir Naik.

[dalnecymync]

Tabhleegi Jamaat might have started with a right view of reminding muslims of how to be a good muslim.

But honestly speaking, presently, TJ is nothing but all about the 'jamaats' wherein they stay in the mosque, perform the 5 prayers, talk about the most basic things that any avg muslim may know, and then its all about FOOD that they enjoy all together. Its more of a holiday & enjoyment rather than preaching of Islam & its laws.

Also, I have seen many people of TJ, who go around advicing ppl to pray five times, to not do this & that, but their own kids are far away from that... neither do they pray punctually, nor do they know of the smallest manners of offering salaam when someone comes, not even how to respect others.

So, I say, whats the point of going to others' homes and teaching them islam, when your own house & kids are far away from it !!

I am not saying TJ is wrong, but the present TJs (if not all, then most of them, trust me!) have really diverted from the true reason & spirit of it.

[horaAppagob]

Tabhleegi Jamaat might have started with a right view of reminding muslims of how to be a good muslim.

But honestly speaking, presently, TJ is nothing but all about the 'jamaats' wherein they stay in the mosque, perform the 5 prayers, talk about the most basic things that any avg muslim may know, and then its all about FOOD that they enjoy all together. Its more of a holiday & enjoyment rather than preaching of Islam & its laws.

Also, I have seen many people of TJ, who go around advicing ppl to pray five times, to not do this & that, but their own kids are far away from that... neither do they pray punctually, nor do they know of the smallest manners of offering salaam when someone comes, not even how to respect others.

So, I say, whats the point of going to others' homes and teaching them islam, when your own house & kids are far away from it !!

I am not saying TJ is wrong, but the present TJs (if not all, then most of them, trust me!) have really diverted from the true reason & spirit of it.

[dalnecymync]

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[maxuilg]

Tabhleegi Jamaat might have started with a right view of reminding muslims of how to be a good muslim.

But honestly speaking, presently, TJ is nothing but all about the 'jamaats' wherein they stay in the mosque, perform the 5 prayers, talk about the most basic things that any avg muslim may know, and then its all about FOOD that they enjoy all together. Its more of a holiday & enjoyment rather than preaching of Islam & its laws.

Also, I have seen many people of TJ, who go around advicing ppl to pray five times, to not do this & that, but their own kids are far away from that... neither do they pray punctually, nor do they know of the smallest manners of offering salaam when someone comes, not even how to respect others.

So, I say, whats the point of going to others' homes and teaching them islam, when your own house & kids are far away from it !!

I am not saying TJ is wrong, but the present TJs (if not all, then most of them, trust me!) have really diverted from the true reason & spirit of it.

Tablighi Jamaat do not stress that much on gaining Ilm. They are more A'maal oriented.thats my impression.

[dalnecymync]

Tablighi Jamaat do not stress that much on gaining Ilm. They are more A'maal oriented.thats my impression.

My impression has been that they are all talks, 'do this... do that'.. to others, but for themselves there are no rules and the dont need to follow that..

Only talk... no amaal...

P.S: Pls correct me if I am mistaken.

[tgs]

Be cautious sister. You are putting buhtan on millions of muslim brothers and sisters who are doing an amazing effort of deen, thousands and thousands of people are coming towards deen through this excellent work.

[dalnecymync]

Be cautious sister. You are putting buhtan on millions of muslim brothers and sisters who are doing an amazing effort of deen, thousands and thousands of people are coming towards deen through this excellent work.

I COMPLETELY agree with you! I never deny that. TAbleg is also a very important part of Islam. I guess, (I had read somewhere) even Rasulallah (Sallalhu Alaihi Wassalam) used to go for tableegh.

But, what I meant to say, just like how some ppl are doing wrong things in the name of Islam and bringing a bad impression on it, same way some ppl are just doing tableegh for the name sake.. whereas in their own lives they follow nothing. Tableegh for them is just another source of enjoying toghether with all the friends that come for the jamaat. There is less of teaching & preaching & more of food.. and talks about which car they have.. how big a house they have in their native country.. etc..

Again, I am speaking this about some ppl who are misusing this,and not about all the tableegh Jamat in whole. That too because, perhaps the tableeghi ppl that I have seen or have come to know in my experiences are such.

[tgs]

Lets pray that Allah give taufiq to such people and let them understand and do the work according to principles laid down by elders. But remember everyone of us is deficient and our nafs and shaitan always tries to deviate from doing right thing. So instead of disclosing ones shortcomings on ones back we should try to rectify them by hikmah.

[dalnecymync]

Lets pray that Allah give taufiq to such people and let them understand and do the work according to principles laid down by elders. But remember everyone of us is deficient and our nafs and shaitan always tries to deviate from doing right thing. So instead of disclosing ones shortcomings on ones back we should try to rectify them by hikmah.

[WordofViagra]

Tabhleegi Jamaat might have started with a right view of reminding muslims of how to be a good muslim.

But honestly speaking, presently, TJ is nothing but all about the 'jamaats' wherein they stay in the mosque, perform the 5 prayers, talk about the most basic things that any avg muslim may know, and then its all about FOOD that they enjoy all together. Its more of a holiday & enjoyment rather than preaching of Islam & its laws.

.Also, I have seen many people of TJ, who go around advicing ppl to pray five times, to not do this & that, but their own kids are far away from that... neither do they pray punctually, nor do they know of the smallest manners of offering salaam when someone comes, not even how to respect others.

So, I say, whats the point of going to others' homes and teaching them islam, when your own house & kids are far away from it !!

I am not saying TJ is wrong, but the present TJs (if not all, then most of them, trust me!) have really diverted from the true reason & spirit of it.

1. Not all but some TJ.
2. A man came in our masjid(of madina) and he said many people don't even knows kalma in makkah.
3. Allah(s.w.t) is giving them their rizq so they are enjoying.
4. You forget their hot tears during tahajjud for the ummah? I will spend more time in this type of holidays spots
5. Their work is to teach and guide their children (who knows they might have advicing and guiding them) but their hidayath is not in their hands. If so then Noah(a.s) might have saved his own son, Hazrath Ibrahim(a.s) might have saved his father, Our Prophet (phub) might have saved his own unlce..
6. I accept many points from your post.
7. Even I don't agree many of TJ but also don't care for their doings. Allah(s.w.t) will ask me about my work of dawah not thier work. So its better to look for ourselvs than others.
8. May allah(swt) unite all TJ into one, give them more knowledge and amal so that people can take benefit from them...
9. Sorry if any of my words hurts you.
Wassalaamualaikum.