Zakir Naik is called kafir by barelvi ulema - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**Imalaycle** · 02-25-2010, 08:00 PM

assalamu alaikum
plz see this ndtv news vidio for this topic.barelvi uleema called him kafir,government Banned on him in Lucknow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqVNLWQF1WU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KsKB50c8WI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqhOIgsEOl8

**agiopwer** · 02-25-2010, 08:13 PM

wasnt it 2 years old incident?

**Imalaycle** · 02-25-2010, 08:14 PM

i dont know,but this issue is still under talking

**Ruilnasr** · 02-25-2010, 08:18 PM

Raza Ahmed brailvee imposed fatwa of kufr on Mawlana Thanvee (rahimullah), Syed Ahmed Shaheed (Rahimullah) and etc. Many of them are fanatics, Someone rightly said that "Ghair Muslimoon ko tou islam mein lanay say rahay, Musalmaanoon ko islam se kharij karna shuru kar diya."

**MiniBoy** · 02-25-2010, 09:04 PM

who really cares what shias or ismailis or qadianis say about zakir naik. Similarly who really cares of few laddu lover barelwi say something about Dr. Zakir Naik...

barelwism or barelism is a joke no importance should be given to this sect. This sect is only good at rituals and ghali ghalouch.

These barelwis have declared their own barelvi ulama like Tahir al Qadri and Jilani mian and Saifi miyan as deviant or kaafir ?!! so it is not surprising if they declare anyone outside their sect as kaafir !!

**XarokLasa** · 02-25-2010, 10:04 PM

who really cares what shias or ismailis or qadianis say about zakir naik. Similarly who really cares of few laddu lover barelwi say something about Dr. Zakir Naik...

barelwism or barelism is a joke no importance should be given to this sect. This sect is only good at rituals and ghali ghalouch.

These barelwis have declared their own barelvi ulama like Tahir al Qadri and Jilani mian and Saifi miyan as deviant or kaafir ?!! so it is not surprising if they declare anyone outside their sect as kaafir !!

Well, there is not much you can do when 60% of the Masjid's in Bradford are Barelwi Masjid's and the biggest Masjid which is down the main road not far from my house is a Barelwi Masjid, the prophecy about big Masjid's but the people will be devoid of guidance has come true. All the Islam channels on Sky are also dominated by Barelwi's, Ummah Channel, Noor TV, Madani Channel, all Barelwi channels, only PeaceTV, Islam Channel and Iqra TV which you can really watch without hearing someone do Dhikr of 'Allahu Allahu' for half an hour.

**MiniBoy** · 02-25-2010, 10:40 PM

Well, there is not much you can do when 60% of the Masjid's in Bradford are Barelwi Masjid's and the biggest Masjid which is down the main road not far from my house is a Barelwi Masjid, the prophecy about big Masjid's but the people will be devoid of guidance has come true. All the Islam channels on Sky are also dominated by Barelwi's, Ummah Channel, Noor TV, Madani Channel, all Barelwi channels, only PeaceTV, Islam Channel and Iqra TV which you can really watch without hearing someone do Dhikr of 'Allahu Allahu' for half an hour.

I cannot do anything if 99% TV channels are controlled by jews or atheist. This doesn't prove anything for me. Neither does it prove if the majority of the world are pagans/buddists or non-muslims. I really don't care.. so if the qadianis and ismailis have a channel on satellite tv doesn't matter...likewise, it doesn't matter what barelwis say on their tvs ? I really don't care who runs the masajid.
What matters is the truth !!

barelwism is a minority sect which is on it's path to defunct ; sooner within few years they will disappear... they have too many inter-sectarian conflicts as each pir & moolana trying to grab power and clients.

**Avaboormavoro** · 02-25-2010, 10:44 PM

Guess you brothers wont be worrying given that he's anti madhabi. Dont you expel him from Ahlus sunnah anyways? Ive always wondered, do you brothers believe Jannah is Halal for someone who is not in 4 madhahib of fiqh and 2 madhahib of aqeedah?

**soipguibbom** · 02-25-2010, 10:52 PM

as the brothers in IA have already advised you: it is best to calm down and learn you deen before you jump into these things. its painful to read a lot of what you write. incessant debating (especially nitpicky issues which you have a poor understanding of) is a sure fire way to lose your deen. ad-deenun naseehah

as a side note: you do know the cult of spubs have declared zakir naik a mubtadi right?

**Dyerryjex** · 02-25-2010, 11:00 PM

dr zakir naik was spreader of fitna...

where as barelvi there were lot of ahle hadith scholars who goes against there own scholars and same on deobandis....

does not the deobandis read there scholars kufr things yet is it not sufficient for them.......

im here only to talk nicely but do not start such topic that can increase more hatredness come to knowledge..........

Who's that idiot say that barelvi will disapper...

**Imalaycle** · 02-25-2010, 11:16 PM

assalamu alaikum
dr naik,dusre mazahib ka kwoledge to achcha rakhte he lekin islamic ilm like fiqh,arabic etc me normal ilm bhi nahi rakhte us ka subut is link ko dehye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlzQSkqkO1o
k jab vo convert hone walo ko kalimah parha rahe he to kitni saaf or vazeh galti kar rahe he,normally arabic parha hua bhi itni badi galti nahi kr sakta,kabhi vo yazid ko razi allahu anhu keht he,
after all vo dusre mazahib me achcha kaam kr rahe he.allah sab ko sidha rasta dikhaye

**agiopwer** · 02-25-2010, 11:39 PM

im here only to talk nicely

Who's that idiot

**ResuNezily** · 02-26-2010, 12:10 AM

dr zakir naik was spreader of fitna...

where as barelvi there were lot of ahle hadith scholars who goes against there own scholars and same on deobandis....

does not the deobandis read there scholars kufr things yet is it not sufficient for them.......

im here only to talk nicely but do not start such topic that can increase more hatredness come to knowledge..........

Who's that idiot say that barelvi will disapper...

( always give muslims salams)

You said you're on here to "talk nicely" but called someone an idiot!. Oh, the irony.......

**mobiphones** · 02-26-2010, 02:09 AM

salaam.
la hawla wa la quata illah billah. dr naik is reading the kalima wrong in that link given by maulana junaid. iv always given him benefit of the doubt but that kalima his reading is distorted. answering brother davids question. aslong as you believe in the kalima and dont do shirk at the time of death you can go to heaven, everything else is forgiveable other then shirk and for going into jannah kalima is a must.

**Anydayhybeall** · 02-26-2010, 02:09 AM

david give a rest will you your soundling like a broken record. if u love the quan and sunnah so much you can at least start by changing your name from 'david'. syed ali farquan your language is just like your master ahmed raza khans. his filthy language against his opponents is a trademark symbol of all brealwis. you call yourselfs aashiqs ar rasool and a syed can you at least try following the sunnah and adab of your great grandfather (saw) if you really are a syed

**bestonlinepharmasy2** · 09-19-2010, 05:15 PM

we shud b d last person to accuse s'one wit kufr coz nobody knows wats in his heart except allah.sumtimes in debates u utter without intention.at times he says stuff contrary to us,thus v take wat is gud from him n leave wat is evil n listen to his lectures wit an open mind n not just tke everything and anything coz hes not an aalim but just a muslim who has studied comparitive religion..besides many kuffars have accepted islam in his hands..so v leave the matter as it is, for allah is the one who judges n nly he knows who is a mumin n kaafir..

**Dastyh** · 09-19-2010, 05:41 PM

dear brother,

Can you prove it with Quran that Wasila is allowed while making dua to ALLAH? Please answer to the point first...

**Dastyh** · 09-19-2010, 05:54 PM

assalamu alaikum
dr naik,dusre mazahib ka kwoledge to achcha rakhte he lekin islamic ilm like fiqh,arabic etc me normal ilm bhi nahi rakhte us ka subut is link ko dehye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlzQSkqkO1o
k jab vo convert hone walo ko kalimah parha rahe he to kitni saaf or vazeh galti kar rahe he,normally arabic parha hua bhi itni badi galti nahi kr sakta,kabhi vo yazid ko razi allahu anhu keht he,
after all vo dusre mazahib me achcha kaam kr rahe he.allah sab ko sidha rasta dikhaye

ASAK Janab,

Hazrat Bilal use to pronounce some words in Azan differently, Moosa Alaisalam had loonat is Zaban, so according to you they nouzbilla dont have knowledge of arabic? Allah said I will fogive everything except SHIRK... thats what he is telling....WHat is FIQH and its meaning? First find out what is FIQH and how did it evolve.. what is Shariat? I dont understand Why Hanafi leave the Sunnah and follow Fiqh of Imam Abu hanifa.. where as FIQH is considered only when there is no direct shariat ruling..

Reply to these questions...

**Dastyh** · 09-19-2010, 05:57 PM

He is right !

We can only ask from Allah but I belive on Wasila . Ask from Allah with Wasila or without Wasila.

dear brother,

Can you prove it with Quran that Wasila is allowed while making dua to ALLAH? Please answer to the point first...

**bestonlinepharmasy2** · 09-19-2010, 06:35 PM

assalamu alaikum
dr naik,dusre mazahib ka kwoledge to achcha rakhte he lekin islamic ilm like fiqh,arabic etc me normal ilm bhi nahi rakhte us ka subut is link ko dehye
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlzQSkqkO1o
k jab vo convert hone walo ko kalimah parha rahe he to kitni saaf or vazeh galti kar rahe he,normally arabic parha hua bhi itni badi galti nahi kr sakta,kabhi vo yazid ko razi allahu anhu keht he,
after all vo dusre mazahib me achcha kaam kr rahe he.allah sab ko sidha rasta dikhaye

can sumone translate this please i dnt u'stand urdu

02-25-2010, 08:00 PM	#1
Imalaycle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	Zakir Naik is called kafir by barelvi ulema assalamu alaikum plz see this ndtv news vidio for this topic.barelvi uleema called him kafir,government Banned on him in Lucknow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqVNLWQF1WU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KsKB50c8WI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqhOIgsEOl8 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 08:13 PM	#2
agiopwer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	wasnt it 2 years old incident? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 08:14 PM	#3
Imalaycle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	i dont know,but this issue is still under talking Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 08:18 PM	#4
Ruilnasr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 405 Senior Member	Raza Ahmed brailvee imposed fatwa of kufr on Mawlana Thanvee (rahimullah), Syed Ahmed Shaheed (Rahimullah) and etc. Many of them are fanatics, Someone rightly said that "Ghair Muslimoon ko tou islam mein lanay say rahay, Musalmaanoon ko islam se kharij karna shuru kar diya." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 09:04 PM	#5
MiniBoy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	who really cares what shias or ismailis or qadianis say about zakir naik. Similarly who really cares of few laddu lover barelwi say something about Dr. Zakir Naik... barelwism or barelism is a joke no importance should be given to this sect. This sect is only good at rituals and ghali ghalouch. These barelwis have declared their own barelvi ulama like Tahir al Qadri and Jilani mian and Saifi miyan as deviant or kaafir ?!! so it is not surprising if they declare anyone outside their sect as kaafir !! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 10:04 PM	#6
XarokLasa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	who really cares what shias or ismailis or qadianis say about zakir naik. Similarly who really cares of few laddu lover barelwi say something about Dr. Zakir Naik... barelwism or barelism is a joke no importance should be given to this sect. This sect is only good at rituals and ghali ghalouch. These barelwis have declared their own barelvi ulama like Tahir al Qadri and Jilani mian and Saifi miyan as deviant or kaafir ?!! so it is not surprising if they declare anyone outside their sect as kaafir !! Well, there is not much you can do when 60% of the Masjid's in Bradford are Barelwi Masjid's and the biggest Masjid which is down the main road not far from my house is a Barelwi Masjid, the prophecy about big Masjid's but the people will be devoid of guidance has come true. All the Islam channels on Sky are also dominated by Barelwi's, Ummah Channel, Noor TV, Madani Channel, all Barelwi channels, only PeaceTV, Islam Channel and Iqra TV which you can really watch without hearing someone do Dhikr of 'Allahu Allahu' for half an hour. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 10:40 PM	#7
MiniBoy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	Well, there is not much you can do when 60% of the Masjid's in Bradford are Barelwi Masjid's and the biggest Masjid which is down the main road not far from my house is a Barelwi Masjid, the prophecy about big Masjid's but the people will be devoid of guidance has come true. All the Islam channels on Sky are also dominated by Barelwi's, Ummah Channel, Noor TV, Madani Channel, all Barelwi channels, only PeaceTV, Islam Channel and Iqra TV which you can really watch without hearing someone do Dhikr of 'Allahu Allahu' for half an hour. I cannot do anything if 99% TV channels are controlled by jews or atheist. This doesn't prove anything for me. Neither does it prove if the majority of the world are pagans/buddists or non-muslims. I really don't care.. so if the qadianis and ismailis have a channel on satellite tv doesn't matter...likewise, it doesn't matter what barelwis say on their tvs ? I really don't care who runs the masajid. What matters is the truth !! barelwism is a minority sect which is on it's path to defunct ; sooner within few years they will disappear... they have too many inter-sectarian conflicts as each pir & moolana trying to grab power and clients. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 10:44 PM	#8
Avaboormavoro Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 439 Senior Member	Guess you brothers wont be worrying given that he's anti madhabi. Dont you expel him from Ahlus sunnah anyways? Ive always wondered, do you brothers believe Jannah is Halal for someone who is not in 4 madhahib of fiqh and 2 madhahib of aqeedah? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 10:52 PM	#9
soipguibbom Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 542 Senior Member	as the brothers in IA have already advised you: it is best to calm down and learn you deen before you jump into these things. its painful to read a lot of what you write. incessant debating (especially nitpicky issues which you have a poor understanding of) is a sure fire way to lose your deen. ad-deenun naseehah as a side note: you do know the cult of spubs have declared zakir naik a mubtadi right? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 11:00 PM	#10
Dyerryjex Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 727 Senior Member	dr zakir naik was spreader of fitna... where as barelvi there were lot of ahle hadith scholars who goes against there own scholars and same on deobandis.... does not the deobandis read there scholars kufr things yet is it not sufficient for them....... im here only to talk nicely but do not start such topic that can increase more hatredness come to knowledge.......... Who's that idiot say that barelvi will disapper... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 11:16 PM	#11
Imalaycle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	assalamu alaikum dr naik,dusre mazahib ka kwoledge to achcha rakhte he lekin islamic ilm like fiqh,arabic etc me normal ilm bhi nahi rakhte us ka subut is link ko dehye http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlzQSkqkO1o k jab vo convert hone walo ko kalimah parha rahe he to kitni saaf or vazeh galti kar rahe he,normally arabic parha hua bhi itni badi galti nahi kr sakta,kabhi vo yazid ko razi allahu anhu keht he, after all vo dusre mazahib me achcha kaam kr rahe he.allah sab ko sidha rasta dikhaye Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-25-2010, 11:39 PM	#12
agiopwer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	im here only to talk nicely Who's that idiot Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-26-2010, 12:10 AM	#13
ResuNezily Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	dr zakir naik was spreader of fitna... where as barelvi there were lot of ahle hadith scholars who goes against there own scholars and same on deobandis.... does not the deobandis read there scholars kufr things yet is it not sufficient for them....... im here only to talk nicely but do not start such topic that can increase more hatredness come to knowledge.......... Who's that idiot say that barelvi will disapper... ( always give muslims salams) You said you're on here to "talk nicely" but called someone an idiot!. Oh, the irony....... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-26-2010, 02:09 AM	#14
mobiphones Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 546 Senior Member	salaam. la hawla wa la quata illah billah. dr naik is reading the kalima wrong in that link given by maulana junaid. iv always given him benefit of the doubt but that kalima his reading is distorted. answering brother davids question. aslong as you believe in the kalima and dont do shirk at the time of death you can go to heaven, everything else is forgiveable other then shirk and for going into jannah kalima is a must. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-26-2010, 02:09 AM	#15
Anydayhybeall Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 474 Senior Member	david give a rest will you your soundling like a broken record. if u love the quan and sunnah so much you can at least start by changing your name from 'david'. syed ali farquan your language is just like your master ahmed raza khans. his filthy language against his opponents is a trademark symbol of all brealwis. you call yourselfs aashiqs ar rasool and a syed can you at least try following the sunnah and adab of your great grandfather (saw) if you really are a syed Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2010, 05:15 PM	#16
bestonlinepharmasy2 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	we shud b d last person to accuse s'one wit kufr coz nobody knows wats in his heart except allah.sumtimes in debates u utter without intention.at times he says stuff contrary to us,thus v take wat is gud from him n leave wat is evil n listen to his lectures wit an open mind n not just tke everything and anything coz hes not an aalim but just a muslim who has studied comparitive religion..besides many kuffars have accepted islam in his hands..so v leave the matter as it is, for allah is the one who judges n nly he knows who is a mumin n kaafir.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2010, 05:41 PM	#17
Dastyh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	dear brother, Can you prove it with Quran that Wasila is allowed while making dua to ALLAH? Please answer to the point first... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2010, 05:54 PM	#18
Dastyh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	assalamu alaikum dr naik,dusre mazahib ka kwoledge to achcha rakhte he lekin islamic ilm like fiqh,arabic etc me normal ilm bhi nahi rakhte us ka subut is link ko dehye http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlzQSkqkO1o k jab vo convert hone walo ko kalimah parha rahe he to kitni saaf or vazeh galti kar rahe he,normally arabic parha hua bhi itni badi galti nahi kr sakta,kabhi vo yazid ko razi allahu anhu keht he, after all vo dusre mazahib me achcha kaam kr rahe he.allah sab ko sidha rasta dikhaye ASAK Janab, Hazrat Bilal use to pronounce some words in Azan differently, Moosa Alaisalam had loonat is Zaban, so according to you they nouzbilla dont have knowledge of arabic? Allah said I will fogive everything except SHIRK... thats what he is telling....WHat is FIQH and its meaning? First find out what is FIQH and how did it evolve.. what is Shariat? I dont understand Why Hanafi leave the Sunnah and follow Fiqh of Imam Abu hanifa.. where as FIQH is considered only when there is no direct shariat ruling.. Reply to these questions... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2010, 05:57 PM	#19
Dastyh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	He is right ! We can only ask from Allah but I belive on Wasila . Ask from Allah with Wasila or without Wasila. dear brother, Can you prove it with Quran that Wasila is allowed while making dua to ALLAH? Please answer to the point first... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-19-2010, 06:35 PM	#20
bestonlinepharmasy2 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	assalamu alaikum dr naik,dusre mazahib ka kwoledge to achcha rakhte he lekin islamic ilm like fiqh,arabic etc me normal ilm bhi nahi rakhte us ka subut is link ko dehye http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlzQSkqkO1o k jab vo convert hone walo ko kalimah parha rahe he to kitni saaf or vazeh galti kar rahe he,normally arabic parha hua bhi itni badi galti nahi kr sakta,kabhi vo yazid ko razi allahu anhu keht he, after all vo dusre mazahib me achcha kaam kr rahe he.allah sab ko sidha rasta dikhaye can sumone translate this please i dnt u'stand urdu Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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