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02-16-2012, 01:08 PM
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 Asalamu Alaykum: I'm a new member, and i have a question :)
Asalamu alaykum bro's and sis's, im a fellow muslim who is a somali, but i have one important question brothers and sisters.
In the Somali peninsula, just as south from yemen, accross the gulf of aden, reside a tribe called the Is'haaq/Is'haaqiyoun, who i apparently im in. Us Somalis who are from the tribe of Is'haaq , believed that we are descendents and members of the Ahlul-Bayt. The founder of this tribe passed away not too long ago. Sheikh Is'haaq ibn Ahmad (R.A) was a Arab scholar and was born in Hadhramaut, his father was born in Madina al-Munwara, and his Grandfather Muhammad bin Hussein was born in Samara, Iraq. Brothers and Sisters, i am not the best in Arabic, but this is text off an old book which has information on Sheikh Is'haaq's grandfather i think. It'll be a great favour if you translate this: نسب السادة الاسحاقيين او بنو اسحاق بسم الله و الصلاة و السلام على خاتم الانبياء . اخوتي اقدم لكم نسب انسان كان و لا زال يدكر في البعيد و القريب من من عرفه من ابنائه او بالاحرى قبائل ابنائه المتواجدون في اليمن والصومال وكل مكان في العالم الكبيرتقريباً و له اخوان وآل البيت كلهم اهله و هو منهم: نسب السيد اسحاق هو. اسحاق بن احمد بن محمد بن حسين بن علي بن المطهر بن عبد الله بن ايوب بن محمد بن قاسم بن احمد بن علي ن عيسى بن يحيى بن محمد التقي بن علي الهادي بن محمدالجواد بن علي الرضابن موسى الكاظم بن جعفر الصادق بن محمدالباقر بن علي زين العابدين بن الامام الحسين بن علي سبط رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم. هجرة السيد محمد بن الحسين جد اسحاق بن احمد : من العراق في سنة 498ه وفي عصر الخليفه المعتمد بالله العباسي هاجر من مدينة سرمن رائ بالعراق رحل هو و ازواجه و اولاده و احفاده الى المدينه المنوره لما اشتدت المحن عليهم بعد فتنة المعتمد و ابن المعتز العباسي وكان عائداً بالله ثم بجده رسول الله (ص) ثم سكنها حتى توفي فيها و دفن فيها سنة 505 هجرية رحمه الله و في سنة506 تفرقت اسرته لاسباب مادية فكانت رحلاتهم كالاتي: Sheikh Is'aaq Ibn Ahmed in modern Somalia were known as far as the 523 A.H 1127/1128 A.D, almost eight centuries ago, Mohammed Hassan Al- Basri in a short biography written some times during his return to Damascus from the horn of Africa wrote about the journey of Sheikh Is'haaq from Mukha to Zayla, in his manuscript titled ' Al-Asjad Al-Mandum Li-Taariikh Wal-Uluum' presently housed in the Al-Dahiriya historical library of Demescus, Al-Basri detailed the life of Sheikh Is'haaq both in Yemen/Zayla and later Mait where he eventually settled with his tow wives and children and where presently his tomb is located. There are at least six books mentioning either Sheikh Is'haaq or one of his ancestors to claim all these documentation are fantasies manufactured on behalf of the Isaaq clan during the 12th century by Arab historians is far fetched non sense, These books are 1- Al-Dur Al Muntakhab Fi Alaqab Wal-asab (12 century manuscript) by unkown author. 2-Al Casjad Al-Manduum Li-Taariikh Wal-culuum (12 century manuscript) by - Maxamed Hasan Al-Basri , 50 pages. Location, Al-Maktaba al-Daahiriya Suuq al Hamiidiya , Dimashq Suriya. 3- Al-3asjad Al Manduum by Sharif Ahmed Muhammad Qaasim Al Gheribaani Yemen A Hashimi historian of Yemen (1910). 4- Thamrat Al-Mushtaaq Fi Manaaqib/Nasab al-Sheekh/Sayid Is'haaq by Sharif Aydarus Sharif Ali Al-Aydarus 1947. (d 1347 H.A.) Also the author of Bughyat Al-Amaal Fi-Taariikh Al Soomaal.Possile location Madba3at 3abaadi Wa-Abnaauh, Yemen, San'a. 5- Adhwaa 3alaa Taariikh Al-Soomaal by Shariif Maxamed 3aydarus (1932-1999) The ex-mayor of Maqudisho during the last elecion in Somalia 1968. 6-Kitaab Fatx Al-Baab Fi Al-Ansaab Wal-Alaqaab by 3abdialma3alim Ibn Yuusuf known as 'Baabin Sayidih'. As for his lineage it goes as: 1. Isaaq 1. إسحاق 2. bin Ahmed 2. بن احمد 3. Bin Mohammed 3. بن محمد 4. Bin Hussien 4. بن حسين 5. Bin Ali 5. بن علي 6. Bin Mudhar 6. بن المطهر 7. Bin Abdalla 7. بن عبد الله 8. Bin Ayup 8. بن ايوب 9. Bin Mohammed 9. بن محمد 10. Bin Qasim 10. بن قاسم 11. Bin Ahmed 11. بن احمد 12. Bin Ali 12. بن علي 13. Bin Eisa 13. بن عيسى 14. Bin Yahya 14. بن يحيى 15. Bin Mohammed Al Taqi 15. بن محمد التقي 16. Bin Ali Al Hadi 16. بن علي الهادي 17. Bin Mohammed Al Jawad 17. بن محمدالجواد 18. Bin Ali Al Reda 18. بن علي الرضا 19. Bin Musa Al Kathim 19. موسى الكاظم 20. Bin Jafar Al Sadiq 20. بن جعفر الصادق 21. Bin Mohammed Al Baqir 21. بن محمدالباقر 22. Bin Ali Zainal Al Abiden 22. بن علي زين العابدين 23. Bin Imam Al Hussien 23. بن الامام الحسين 24. Bin Ali 24. بن على 25. Bin Abu Dalib 25. بن أبوطالب 26. Bin Abdulmuddalib 26. بن عبدالمطلب 27. Bin Abdulmanaf 27. بن عبدالمناف 28. Bin Hashim 28. بن هاشم I count these much names to Sheikh Ish'aaq. 1. ***** 2 ***** 3 ***** 4 ***** 5 ***** 6 ***** 7 ***** 8 ***** 9 ***** 10 Son of Gadīd 11 Son of Yōnis 12 Son of Nūḥ 13 Son of Ismaʿīl 14 Son of Jibrīl 15 Son of Ḥusayn 16 Son of Abubakr 17 Son of Is'ḥaaq 18 Son of Saʿad 19 Son of Mūsa 20 Son of Subayr 21 Son of ʿAbdalraḥmān (Habar Awal) 22 Son of Shaykh Isāq. I'd like to see your point of view, wasalamu alaykum, warahmatullahi wa barakatu. 
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02-17-2012, 12:34 AM
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Asalamu alaykum bro's and sis's, im a fellow muslim who is a somali, but i have one important question brothers and sisters.  Welcome.I could only get this from google translate. S In the name of God and prayer and peace be upon the seal of the prophets. Brothers offer you rates and a man was still in the distance Iedkr and near who knew him from his children, his sons, or rather Who tribes in Yemen, Somalia, and everywhere in the world Kabertgariba and his brothers and all his family and home, all of them is: Mr. Isaac is the ratios. Ishaq bin Ahmed bin Mohammed bin Hussein bin Ali bin purgatory ibn Abdullah ibn Ayyub bin Mohammed bin Qasim bin Ahmed bin Isa bin Ali N. Yahya bin Muhammad bin Ali al-Hadi met with bin Ali bin Mamedjawad Alredbn bin Musa al-Kazim ibn Jafar Sadiq Mamedalbagher Zine El Abidine Ben Ali Al Imam Al-Hussein Bin Ali tribe of the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him. Migration of Mr. Mohammed Bin Al-Hussein bin Ahmed grandfather Isaac: From Iraq in 498 AH In the era of Caliph approved in God Abbasi emigrated from the city of Srmen behind in Iraq is gone he and spouses, and his children and grandchildren to Medina for intensified hardships for them after the trial, adopted and I'm Proud Abbasi and was returning in God then grandfather the Messenger of Allah (r) then inhabited until he died and was buried in the 505 AH Allah's mercy And dispersed in 506 his family for reasons of physical journeys were as follows: |
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02-17-2012, 07:26 PM
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Jazakallah, my question is, is this enough proof of me being ahlulbayt???
jazzakallah akhhi |
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02-18-2012, 05:36 AM
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Jazakallah, my question is, is this enough proof of me being ahlulbayt??? |
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02-18-2012, 08:50 AM
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why don't you find a shaykh from ahlul bayt and ask him??? |
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02-18-2012, 09:11 AM
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thats pretty hard finding a sunni one and it is a little strange though i have never seen a somalian from ahul al bayt i have seen many iraqis and iranis but thats it |
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02-21-2012, 01:50 AM
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Thanks for the reply guys, I often heard that aslong as you can count your ancestry by your name+fathers name etc, you are ahlul-bayt, because whats the pointt carrying your lineage all those years then in the end say its all fake?
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