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**Suvaxal** · 02-15-2012, 04:43 AM

I'm wondering if there is a logic used to justify Muslims taxi drivers transporting ghayr mahram women. Is this permissible at all?

**Aztegjpl** · 02-15-2012, 09:36 PM

I don't think so. Of course if the woman is in hijaab and travelling with a male its fine.

**annouhMus** · 02-16-2012, 01:06 AM

I don't think so. Of course if the woman is in hijaab and travelling with a male its fine.

So this means that Muslim taxi drivers should refuse to transport non-mehram women. As regards the hijab and accompanied by male...what if she is accompanied by a male but is not wearing hijab? Will it be halal to transport them? What if the male who is with the woman is not mehram? Is the taxi driver required to ask their relationship? What if they reply that they are husband and wife? Is the taxi driver supposed to ask for their nikahnama to confirm that they are actually married? I think the best solution would be for all Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to transport any woman at all. That should solve the problem, I guess.

**Suvaxal** · 02-16-2012, 01:11 AM

But this isn't some sort of modern issue. They used to have carriages and rickshaws before and I'm assuming many women did take these modes of transport without a mahram.

**annouhMus** · 02-16-2012, 01:17 AM

But this isn't some sort of modern issue. They used to have carriages and rickshaws before and I'm assuming many women did take these modes of transport without a mahram.

But I would assume that there are always chances of fitna in transporting unaccompanied ghayr mehram women. Moreover with respect to women being accompanies by a male it is never sure whether they are related or are husband and wife. Therefore, I guess to be on the safe side, Muslim drivers should only transport men.

**Aztegjpl** · 02-16-2012, 01:24 AM

So this means that Muslim taxi drivers should refuse to transport non-mehram women. As regards the hijab and accompanied by male...what if she is accompanied by a male but is not wearing hijab? Will it be halal to transport them? What if the male who is with the woman is not mehram? Is the taxi driver required to ask their relationship? What if they reply that they are husband and wife? Is the taxi driver supposed to ask for their nikahnama to confirm that they are actually married? I think the best solution would be for all Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to transport any woman at all. That should solve the problem, I guess.

I think its fine if they say they're mahram to each other... Its a little silly to expect taxi drivers not to transport women AT ALL even if they're accompanied by a male. Imagine you go for umrah with your family and at the airport the taxi drivers refuse to take your family coz he's not sure if you are really mahram to them!

**annouhMus** · 02-16-2012, 01:25 AM

But I would assume that there are always chances of fitna in transporting unaccompanied ghayr mehram women. Moreover with respect to women being accompanies by a male it is never sure whether they are related or are husband and wife. Therefore, I guess to be on the safe side, Muslim drivers should only transport men.

Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi.

**Aztegjpl** · 02-16-2012, 01:41 AM

Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi.

You can never be sure anywhere in the world - even in muslim countries. Really, what are you on about?

**Adamdjeffe** · 02-16-2012, 01:44 AM

Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi.

and some people could be mentally challenged and should be taken somewhere to get much needed professional help.

**Suvaxal** · 02-16-2012, 01:58 AM

Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi.

This is ridiculous logic.

If a person is married, their word is sufficient. A marriage license is not from one of the requirements of shari'ah, either. Do you expect the taxi driver to go look for the witnesses of the marriage???

As for homosexuals - again, it is absurd to assume that if there is more than one man asking for a taxi ride, all of them must be gay. And males are not considered ghayr mahram to any other males just how females aren't considered ghayr mahram to other females. Are you trying to be facetious?

**2swasseneons** · 02-16-2012, 02:06 AM

sorry

**Adamdjeffe** · 02-16-2012, 02:27 AM

Are you trying to be facetious?

he is trying to mock the law of Allah relating to purdah and ghair-mahram and make them sound absurd.

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02-15-2012, 04:43 AM	#1
Suvaxal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	Transporting ghayr mahram women I'm wondering if there is a logic used to justify Muslims taxi drivers transporting ghayr mahram women. Is this permissible at all? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-15-2012, 09:36 PM	#2
Aztegjpl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 560 Senior Member	I don't think so. Of course if the woman is in hijaab and travelling with a male its fine. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:06 AM	#3
annouhMus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 621 Senior Member	I don't think so. Of course if the woman is in hijaab and travelling with a male its fine. So this means that Muslim taxi drivers should refuse to transport non-mehram women. As regards the hijab and accompanied by male...what if she is accompanied by a male but is not wearing hijab? Will it be halal to transport them? What if the male who is with the woman is not mehram? Is the taxi driver required to ask their relationship? What if they reply that they are husband and wife? Is the taxi driver supposed to ask for their nikahnama to confirm that they are actually married? I think the best solution would be for all Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to transport any woman at all. That should solve the problem, I guess. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:11 AM	#4
Suvaxal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	But this isn't some sort of modern issue. They used to have carriages and rickshaws before and I'm assuming many women did take these modes of transport without a mahram. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:17 AM	#5
annouhMus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 621 Senior Member	But this isn't some sort of modern issue. They used to have carriages and rickshaws before and I'm assuming many women did take these modes of transport without a mahram. But I would assume that there are always chances of fitna in transporting unaccompanied ghayr mehram women. Moreover with respect to women being accompanies by a male it is never sure whether they are related or are husband and wife. Therefore, I guess to be on the safe side, Muslim drivers should only transport men. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:24 AM	#6
Aztegjpl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 560 Senior Member	So this means that Muslim taxi drivers should refuse to transport non-mehram women. As regards the hijab and accompanied by male...what if she is accompanied by a male but is not wearing hijab? Will it be halal to transport them? What if the male who is with the woman is not mehram? Is the taxi driver required to ask their relationship? What if they reply that they are husband and wife? Is the taxi driver supposed to ask for their nikahnama to confirm that they are actually married? I think the best solution would be for all Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to transport any woman at all. That should solve the problem, I guess. I think its fine if they say they're mahram to each other... Its a little silly to expect taxi drivers not to transport women AT ALL even if they're accompanied by a male. Imagine you go for umrah with your family and at the airport the taxi drivers refuse to take your family coz he's not sure if you are really mahram to them! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:25 AM	#7
annouhMus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 621 Senior Member	But I would assume that there are always chances of fitna in transporting unaccompanied ghayr mehram women. Moreover with respect to women being accompanies by a male it is never sure whether they are related or are husband and wife. Therefore, I guess to be on the safe side, Muslim drivers should only transport men. Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:41 AM	#8
Aztegjpl Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 560 Senior Member	Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi. You can never be sure anywhere in the world - even in muslim countries. Really, what are you on about? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:44 AM	#9
Adamdjeffe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi. and some people could be mentally challenged and should be taken somewhere to get much needed professional help. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 01:58 AM	#10
Suvaxal Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	Ofcourse men with small children should also be okay as long as they do not have a woman with them since in Western countries, you can never be sure whether the male and female are married. Better to ask for their marriage license before allowing them to get into the taxi just to be sure. I guess even transporting two males might be a bit problematic since they could actually turn out to be gays. Therefore, the best bet would be to allow only one male to transported in the taxi. This is ridiculous logic. If a person is married, their word is sufficient. A marriage license is not from one of the requirements of shari'ah, either. Do you expect the taxi driver to go look for the witnesses of the marriage??? As for homosexuals - again, it is absurd to assume that if there is more than one man asking for a taxi ride, all of them must be gay. And males are not considered ghayr mahram to any other males just how females aren't considered ghayr mahram to other females. Are you trying to be facetious? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 02:06 AM	#11
2swasseneons Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 385 Senior Member	sorry Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-16-2012, 02:27 AM	#12
Adamdjeffe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	Are you trying to be facetious? he is trying to mock the law of Allah relating to purdah and ghair-mahram and make them sound absurd. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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