[blogforlovxr]

Salaam

Why is divorce so easy especially if it is something that Allah dislikes immensely?

Why is divorce so easy that an entire family can break apart in one second of an angry outburst?

Seriously, this feels like an oppression and Islam is not opressive so why this?

To get married one needs witnesses, means for a mahr, and preferably to put in writing, yet a divorce, which is much more serious and has a lot more riding on it, comes into effect whether one really wants it or not because the words have been said out loud.

Why?

[offinoNem]

It's not easy. You can say many other things in anger, what purpose does utterance of divorce serve in the context of an argument? Secondly, the man has to utter it three times to end the marriage, and that is far from easy. The woman is the queen, she does not deserve to be threatened with divorce. Either the man wants to live with her or he doesn't. My wife and I have major arguments, yet it is possible to express one's anger in some other way than uttering the words of divorce, especially if you think about what's at stake.

[blogforlovxr]

It's not easy. You can say many other things in anger, what purpose does utterance of divorce serve in the context of an argument? Secondly, the man has to utter it three times to end the marriage, and that is far from easy. The woman is the queen, she does not deserve to be threatened with divorce. Either the man wants to live with her or he doesn't. My wife and I have major arguments, yet it is possible to express one's anger in some other way than uttering the words of divorce, especially if you think about what's at stake.

Well it happens all over the place that a man issues divorce in anger and immediately regrets it but can do nothing about it. Not everyone manages to control their temper. A hundred and one other things said in anger have no consequence but this one utterance does. A hundred and one other sins do not have such direct, immediate and severe consequences, whereas issuing talaq isn't even a sin but has such devastating immediate consequences for a whole family.

Why?

[offinoNem]

If one hundred and one other things can be said, why is this one thing not avoidable? The problem lies with the person who can't control his anger, not with the laws of Shariah, besides, like I mentioned, total nullification results from uttering the said word 3 times. In effect, you could therefore say that there is dispensation before the marriage becomes null and void. If a man has not worked on his spirituality in order to combat his anger, that's his problem, not the problem of Shariah. In addition, there are other methods of demonstrating one's displeasure with one's wife, which Shariah permits.

[Seesspoxy]

Because almost all the ulema are men and dont care women. In thier fiqhi understanding men 'own' women and thus use and throw as they wish. Notice how legally they favour men and urge them only morally to not to do divorce in ths manner. A man can in a fit of anger or in a drunken state can divorce his wife instaneously.

In ahl - hadith school three talaqs are counted as one and hence more compassionate in this regard.

[Evdokia]

Because almost all the ulema are men and dont care women. In thier fiqhi understanding men 'own' women and thus use and throw as they wish. Notice how legally they favour men and urge them only morally to not to do divorce in ths manner. A man can in a fit of anger or in a drunken state can divorce his wife instaneously.

In ahl - hadith school three talaqs are counted as one and hence more compassionate in this regard.

If he is drunk, surely that pretty queen doesn't need to stay with him.
Ahle Hadith are not compassionate, their understandings is based on the ease of their own nafs. 3 talaaq at once means DIVORCED.

[Seesspoxy]

If he is drunk, surely that pretty queen doesn't need to stay with him.
Ahle Hadith are not compassionate, their understandings is based on the ease of their own nafs. 3 talaaq at once means DIVORCED. If they take it as one, sorry to say they are doing ZINA.

Your response is the typical male response. Put your self in the real world where women are suffering because of a badly formed fiqhi rule

[gdjfhdf]

the problem lies in mens inability to control the tongue

shariah has no weakness..it is muslims who are weak in character,patience etc

[nerohedfrs]

In ahl - hadith school three talaqs are counted as one and hence more compassionate in this regard.

I heard that this so what self school of thought was named by the English lady "Mallika Victoria" Is it correct?
Sorry if its hurt you, but just asking for my knowledge.

[gdjfhdf]

the problem lies in mens inability to control the tongue,also womenr

shariah has no weakness..it is muslims who are weak in character,patience etc

if we feared allah more and we..men and women were more allah aware all the time ,the amount of arguments themselves would decrease

cause and effect

[Seesspoxy]

I heard that this so what self school of thought was named by the English lady "Mallika Victoria" Is it correct?
Sorry if its hurt you, but just asking for my knowledge.

Dont know about that. I am Hanafi

[Seesspoxy]

if we feared allah more and we..men and women were more allah aware all the time ,the amount of arguments themselves would decrease

cause and effect

That is the point. Fiqhi rules which do not account for reality and lead to women suffering need to be re-looked instead of being worshipped as 'divine'.

[Seesspoxy]

In human terms, in terms of any notion of justice, the unilateral, arbitrary and whimsical right of a Muslim male to divorce his wife in an instant – a letter, telegram, telephone, telex, fax even an SMS would do – cannot be described as anything but inhuman and anti-women.

In rational terms it defies any definition of justice or equity. Triple talaq l because it is so blatantly unjust, unfair, arbitrary and discriminatory.

Even theologically, it is difficult to digest the position long held by the ulema and that Though bad in theology (sinful), triple talaq is good in law".

What this means in simple terms is that the moment a Muslim male utters talaq, talaq, talaq, his wife becomes unlawful to him, even if he has uttered those words under coercion, in a fit of rage or in a drunken state and regrets his utterance the very next moment. The only way out for the couple to resume their marital relation, the ulema say, is through halala: the woman must marry someone else, consummate the marriage, get the second husband to divorce her and then remarry the first husband.

It is repeatedly claimed, that justice and equality are the key social message of Islam. How can the practice of triple talaq be squared with any notion of justice or equity?

[DumbNelmcrece]

If he is drunk, surely that pretty queen doesn't need to stay with him.
Ahle Hadith are not compassionate, their understandings is based on the ease of their own nafs. 3 talaaq at once means DIVORCED. If they take it as one, sorry to say they are doing ZINA.

Apparently it was the view of some Sahaba . Were they doing 'zina' or facilitating it?

[gdjfhdf]

In human terms, in terms of any notion of justice, the unilateral, arbitrary and whimsical right of a Muslim male to divorce his wife in an instant – a letter, telegram, telephone, telex, fax even an SMS would do – cannot be described as anything but inhuman and anti-women.

In rational terms it defies any definition of justice or equity. Triple talaq l because it is so blatantly unjust, unfair, arbitrary and discriminatory.

Even theologically, it is difficult to digest the position long held by the ulema and that Though bad in theology (sinful), triple talaq is good in law".

What this means in simple terms is that the moment a Muslim male utters talaq, talaq, talaq, his wife becomes unlawful to him, even if he has uttered those words under coercion, in a fit of rage or in a drunken state and regrets his utterance the very next moment. The only way out for the couple to resume their marital relation, the ulema say, is through halala: the woman must marry someone else, consummate the marriage, get the second husband to divorce her and then remarry the first husband.

It is repeatedly claimed, that justice and equality are the key social message of Islam. How can the practice of triple talaq be squared with any notion of justice or equity?

the problems lie in the condition of muslims not in the conditions of shariah

[Pete789]

the problems lie in the condition of muslims not in the conditions of shariah

“…and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and
that you like a thing which is bad for you.
Allaah knows but you do not know.”
(Surah Baqarah: 216)

[Seesspoxy]

the problems lie in the condition of muslims not in the conditions of shariah

That is true but does the sentiment help suffering women ? That is why laws in muslim majority countries have been changed.

[nerohedfrs]

Dont know about that. I am Hanafi

Okay..

Anyone knows about this?

[didrexx]

JazakAllah brother Ahmad Husain. May Allah (SWT) help guide us all in perfecting our dealings with one another.

[PetraCromlich]

Because almost all the ulema are men and dont care women. In thier fiqhi understanding men 'own' women and thus use and throw as they wish. Notice how legally they favour men and urge them only morally to not to do divorce in ths manner. A man can in a fit of anger or in a drunken state can divorce his wife instaneously.

In ahl - hadith school three talaqs are counted as one and hence more compassionate in this regard.

What? No they have not, Ghair Muqalladeen (aka ahl e hadith or whatever you like to disguise them as) had a huge rift on this issue and the Saudia Ulama had gone against Ibn Taymiyyah on this issue and did not find his opinion to be solid. There is a book called Asr-e-Haazir Ke Paichida Masail Aur Unka Hal. Here is the copy of the citation from it, sorry for the bad copy:

http://theredsulphur.wordpress.com/2...hair-muqallid/

Though ghair muqallideen hazraat always give citation from Saudi Ulama on issues, but for some strange reason on this issue of talaaq they completely ignore the opinion of the 17 akaabir ulama of Saudia. I dont know why...