[Gaiaakgyyyg]

Salam,

Before I tell you my problem, I want to say that I do not want to offend anyone by creating this post.

In a debate with one of my atheist friend, he replied to me that there is errors in the quran.

He gave me a few of them:

23:12
And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.

23:13
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

23:14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

After this verses he told me the baby is created from 1 Spermatozoon. Not from a drop. The sperm-drop contain millions of spermatozoons. The sperm-drop does not become an embryo, the embryo is the union between an ovum and a spermatozoon. My friend also told me that the way an embryo is created according to quran is the same as Galen (a roman doctor) told it in one of his book.



41:9
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

41:10
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.

41:11
Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."

41:12
And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.


According to this four verses, Allah created the earth before the heavens. But that is illogic according the the modern sciences.





21:80
And We taught him the fashioning of coats of armor to protect you from your [enemy in] battle. So will you then be grateful?

This Surah is talking about the prophet David. According to this verses, David created the first coat of armor. But according to historic sources, it is the celts who devised the first coat of armors.





Is this real errors or not?

[HonjUopu]

21:80
And We taught him the fashioning of coats of armor to protect you from your [enemy in] battle. So will you then be grateful?

This Surah is talking about the prophet David. According to this verses, David created the first coat of armor. But according to historic sources, it is the celts who devised the first coat of armors.

Is this real errors or not?

I think you are not a Muslim. If you doubt Quran, you shouldnt read it.
Its Allah's words, no idiots can argue on it.

If Allah tells its true. thats all no arguments - I am a Muslim I believe Allah.
Delete this post right now. Go and ask an Alim. It seems that you doubt Quran, I shouldnt tell more than this...

[ServiceColas]

The first few verses are regarding embryology, and as the following essay shows, none of these verses contain any errors: http://www.iera.org.uk/downloads/Emb...Quran_v1.1.pdf

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

I think you are not a Muslim. If you doubt Quran, you shouldnt read it.
Its Allah's words, no idiots can argue on it.

If Allah tells its true. thats all no arguments - I am a Muslim I believe Allah.
Delete this post right now. Go and ask an Alim. It seems that you doubt Quran, I shouldnt tell more than this...

I doubt, that is why I need answers.

[dmitrynts]

Salam,
23:12
And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.

23:13
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

23:14
Then We placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

After this verses he told me the baby is created from 1 Spermatozoon. Not from a drop. The sperm-drop contain millions of spermatozoons. The sperm-drop does not become an embryo, the embryo is the union between an ovum and a spermatozoon. My friend also told me that the way an embryo is created according to quran is the same as Galen (a roman doctor) told it in one of his book.

Assalam alaikum

"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest."
This statement is from Sura 23:13. The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"). This interpretation is supported by another verse in the Qur'an which states that "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum ("The mixed drop").

A human being develops from a single cell, the zygote, which forms when an ovum (Latin for egg) is fertilized by a sperm (Greek for seed). The Quran refers to this process as follows:

ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن مَّاءٍ مَّهِينٍ
Surah 32, Ayah 8 "And made his progeny from the quintessence of a despised liquid"
http://quran.com/32/8

أَلَمْ يَكُ نُطْفَةً مِّن مَّنِيٍّ يُمْنَىٰ
Surah 75, Ayah 37 "Had he not been a sperm/nutfah from semen emitted??
http://quran.com/75/37

Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture/nutfah amshag/ that We may try him; and We made him hearing and seeing.
Surah 76, Ayah 2 "Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm"
http://quran.com/76/2

‏ "‏ مَا مِنْ كُلِّ الْمَاءِ يَكُونُ الْوَلَدُ وَإِذَا أَرَادَ اللَّهُ خَلْقَ شَىْءٍ لَمْ يَمْنَعْهُ شَىْءٌ ‏"‏
The child does not come from all the liquid (sermen) and when Allah intends to create anything nothing can prevent it (from coming into existence).
Sahih Muslim > The Book of Marriage - كتاب النكاح- Book 8, Hadith 3381

The above Ayat & hadeeth make it clear that the sperms are derived from a very small part of the fluid or the semen that is ejaculated from the penis. They are expelled from the urethra via the same route followed by the urine that is sometimes referred to as a "despised fluid." There are other references in the Quran to the origin of man from a small quantity of "mingled fluids", undoubtedly the male and female sexual secretions. The resulting mixture (drop) composed of the ovum and the penetrating sperm, becomes a zygote.

A popular idea in the 17th century among scientists was that sperm contained a miniature human being that simply enlarged inside the sperm. Another equally strong idea was that the ovum contained a miniature human being that was stimulated to grow by the semen. It was not until the 18th century that Spallanzani experimentally demonstrated that the initiation of development required sex products from male and female. From his experiments, including artificial insemination in dogs, he concluded that sperm was the fertilizing agent. The mixture of the male and female fluids was discovered recently though it was known in the Quran for fourteen centuries. There are some theories that the female fluid acts as an agent to prevent the rejection of the sperms, which are foreign bodies in the uterus.

In the following Ayah, more details are given about the staging process:

Surah 23, Ayah 12-14 "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay), (Arabic, sulalah); Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm (Arabic, nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (Arabic, alakah); then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump (Arabic, mudgah); then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"

This Ayah states that God made human from a drop into a thing that clings in the mother’s womb, then to a leech-like form that soon changed to a shape that looks like a piece of chewed gum. The "mudgah" then took the shape of bone and was clothed with flesh.

Man was created of Nutfah Amshaj [a union of (or mixed) sperm and ovum]. Nutfah in the Arabic language means a little water that ranges from one drop to a few drops. It is said: man natafa and yantuf natfan and natfatan, the meaning of which is water dripped from him after his ablution or wash. It is also said: The bucket natafat, meaning water dripped drop by drop. Nutfah is also a little pure water as much as the little water that remains in the bucket. It is also known as nutafa, its plural is nutaf which means also bucket. It is said also a natoof night, which means rainy; rained until morning.



Small pearls are called nutaf to liken them to water drops. Nutaf is used metaphorically to express generosity and good deeds. It is said: so and so is bountiful muntef i.e. he always does favors and yantufu with good deeds means that he does them continuously. Qur'an used the word nutfa to express the gamete being either a female ovum or a male sperm in twelve ayahs that can be translated as follows:

Read more here
http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/main.php?id=104 Read also:
Does the Qur'an Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology? from :
9. The Quran and the Ancient Greeks - A Comparison
http://www.quranicstudies.com/articl...yology.html#9a

Did the Prophet Muhammad Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology?
http://www.theinimitablequran.com/Di...Embryology.pdf

[Annevecenqp]

41:9
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

Days does not = 24 hours. The more accurate meaning is period, which can be thousands or millions of years.

I have exams, so can't really give much time atm. But I can assure you, these are some of the most laymen claims and are so easily refutable.

You can get your answers by searching on here - http://searching-islam.com

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

Days does not = 24 hours. The more accurate meaning is period, which can be thousands or millions of years.

I have exams, so can't really give much time atm. But I can assure you, these are some of the most laymen claims and are so easily refutable.

You can get your answers by searching on here - http://searching-islam.com

I know what you mean, but that is not the question. If you read the verses in order you will see that Allah created the earth before the heavens (stars, other planets, etc...)


May Allah help you with your exams.

[dmitrynts]

Salam,

41:9
Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds."

41:10
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.

41:11
Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."

41:12
And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

According to this four verses, Allah created the earth before the heavens. But that is illogic according the the modern sciences.

Many created arraogants, so called atheists can't differentiate between a scientific fact and someone's theory.

Allah clearly said:
http://quran.com/18/51
مَّا أَشْهَدتُّهُمْ خَلْقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَلَا خَلْقَ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمَا كُنتُ مُتَّخِذَ الْمُضِلِّينَ عَضُدًا
I did not make them witness to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves, and I would not have taken the misguiders as assistants.

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

Assalam alaikum

"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest."
This statement is from Sura 23:13. The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"). This interpretation is supported by another verse in the Qur'an which states that "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum ("The mixed drop").

A human being develops from a single cell, the zygote, which forms when an ovum (Latin for egg) is fertilized by a sperm (Greek for seed). The Quran refers to this process as follows:

ثُمَّ جَعَلَ نَسْلَهُ مِن سُلَالَةٍ مِّن مَّاءٍ مَّهِينٍ
Surah 32, Ayah 8 "And made his progeny from the quintessence of a despised liquid"
http://quran.com/32/8

أَلَمْ يَكُ نُطْفَةً مِّن مَّنِيٍّ يُمْنَىٰ
Surah 75, Ayah 37 "Had he not been a sperm/nutfah from semen emitted??
http://quran.com/75/37

Indeed, We created man from a sperm-drop mixture/nutfah amshag/ that We may try him; and We made him hearing and seeing.
Surah 76, Ayah 2 "Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm"
http://quran.com/76/2

The above Ayat make it clear that the sperms are derived from a very small part of the fluid or the semen that is ejaculated from the penis. They are expelled from the urethra via the same route followed by the urine that is sometimes referred to as a "despised fluid." There are other references in the Quran to the origin of man from a small quantity of "mingled fluids", undoubtedly the male and female sexual secretions. The resulting mixture (drop) composed of the ovum and the penetrating sperm, becomes a zygote.

A popular idea in the 17th century among scientists was that sperm contained a miniature human being that simply enlarged inside the sperm. Another equally strong idea was that the ovum contained a miniature human being that was stimulated to grow by the semen. It was not until the 18th century that Spallanzani experimentally demonstrated that the initiation of development required sex products from male and female. From his experiments, including artificial insemination in dogs, he concluded that sperm was the fertilizing agent. The mixture of the male and female fluids was discovered recently though it was known in the Quran for fourteen centuries. There are some theories that the female fluid acts as an agent to prevent the rejection of the sperms, which are foreign bodies in the uterus.

In the following Ayah, more details are given about the staging process:

Surah 23, Ayah 12-14 "Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay), (Arabic, sulalah); Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm (Arabic, nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (Arabic, alakah); then of that clot We made a (fetus) lump (Arabic, mudgah); then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!"

This Ayah states that God made human from a drop into a thing that clings in the mother’s womb, then to a leech-like form that soon changed to a shape that looks like a piece of chewed gum. The "mudgah" then took the shape of bone and was clothed with flesh.


Read also:
Does the Qur'an Plagiarise Ancient Greek Embryology? from :
9. The Quran and the Ancient Greeks - A Comparison
http://www.quranicstudies.com/articl...yology.html#9a

Thank you brother.
The suras talking about embryology are not contradicting science, and the Quran did not plagiarise the ancient Greek embryology.

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

Many created arraogants, so called atheists can't differentiate between a scientific fact and someone's theory.

Allah clearly said:
http://quran.com/18/51
مَّا أَشْهَدتُّهُمْ خَلْقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَلَا خَلْقَ أَنفُسِهِمْ وَمَا كُنتُ مُتَّخِذَ الْمُضِلِّينَ عَضُدًا
I did not make them witness to the creation of the heavens and the earth or to the creation of themselves, and I would not have taken the misguiders as assistants.

What do you mean?

[dmitrynts]

Salam,
21:80
And We taught him the fashioning of coats of armor to protect you from your [enemy in] battle. So will you then be grateful?

This Surah is talking about the prophet David. According to this verses, David created the first coat of armor. But according to historic sources, it is the celts who devised the first coat of armors.
Is this real errors or not?

Did the ayah say that ?

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

Did the ayah said that ?

Yes

[klubneras]

Salam,
21:80
And We taught him the fashioning of coats of armor to protect you from your [enemy in] battle. So will you then be grateful?

This Surah is talking about the prophet David. According to this verses, David created the first coat of armor. But according to historic sources, it is the celts who devised the first coat of armors.
Is this real errors or not? brother.

Here is the Ayah in Arabic: وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ صَنْعَةَ لَبُوسٍ لَّكُمْ لِتُحْصِنَكُم مِّن بَأْسِكُمْ ۖ فَهَلْ أَنتُمْ شَاكِرُ*ونَ

You won't find the word 'first' in there. It just mentions that Allah the Almighty taught Prophet Dawud(David) how to make coats of armor previously unknown to that group of people. I don't know why people try to interpret Quran falsely by adding words that are not there in it.

Extract from Maariful Quran:

Lexically, the word لَبُوسٍ is used for anything which is worn in the neck for protection. Here is used for armor which is used in battle for protection against enemy.

Brother My humble advice is to Download a good Tafseer of the Quran like Maariful Quran so you can read the commentary of the Ayah and have a better understanding of the Quran.

[rozneesitcn]

Yes

'historical sources' consist of whatever reconstructions people who randomly comb around areas make, you realize that, right? We don't have an exact picture of everything that went on prior to certain points; a lot of it is speculation based on deductions made from what is seen.

They're not really reliable against the Qur'an.

(And We taught him the making of metal coats of mail, to protect you in your fighting.) meaning, the manufacture of chain-armor. Qatadah said that before that, they used to wear plated armor; he was the first one to make rings of chain-armor.

Note the THEY.

[klubneras]

Also brother take a look at this lecture, it will strengthen you Imaan . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTvYuS9BqbU
We have faith in Allah , He knows everything. We do not know everything. Also science isn't complete(no where near it), it is faulty. So kindly do not use it as a yardstick to measure Islam. Science has been disproving itself every day. But Quran never changed, its the same as it was 1400 years ago and it will never change by the Power of Allah. Now thats something we can rely upon.

Also take a look at this: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...to-non-muslims.
Its better to stay away from atheists in discussions, since we do not have enough understanding of Islam ourselves. We are laymen, a scholar will easily able to refute them.

Spiritual harms of debates: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...on-and-debates

[Gaiaakgyyyg]

brother.

Here is the Ayah in Arabic: وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ صَنْعَةَ لَبُوسٍ لَّكُمْ لِتُحْصِنَكُم مِّن بَأْسِكُمْ ۖ فَهَلْ أَنتُمْ شَاكِرُ*ونَ

You won't find the word 'first' in there. It just mentions that Allah the Almighty taught Prophet Dawud(David) how to make coats of armor previously unknown to that group of people. I don't know why people try to interpret Quran falsely by adding words that are not there in it.

Extract from Maariful Quran:

Lexically, the word لَبُوسٍ is used for anything which is worn in the neck for protection. Here is used for armor which is used in battle for protection against enemy.

Brother My humble advice is to Download a good Tafseer of the Quran like Maariful Quran so you can read the commentary of the Ayah and have a better understanding of the Quran.

And what about the verses that are talking about the creation of the earth and the heavens?

[klubneras]

Scientific Rationalism Towards Qur'aan - Nouman Ali Khan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=OTaBhLmrHSs

[klubneras]

And what about the verses that are talking about the creation of the earth and the heavens?

What about it bro?
Science say it took a 4500 billion years or something like that. Is there any substantial proof for it other than absurd theories and arbitrary mathematical equations. Why don't we look science in the same critical light we scanned the verses of Quran. Science is bunch of speculations. I am a doctor, even cutting edge medical science is based on speculations. Thats why you don't see treatment regimens used ten years back being used now. Because its 'outdated'. Quran never becomes outdated.

Here we have our Creator saying things to us and His creations saying things. Which do you think is more reliable bro?

[Annevecenqp]

I know what you mean, but that is not the question. If you read the verses in order you will see that Allah created the earth before the heavens (stars, other planets, etc...)


May Allah help you with your exams.

Jazakallahkair,

Read this - http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...orious%20Quran

and

http://www.discoveringislam.org/eart...aven_first.htm

[Axxflcaj]

Salam,

I dont see the verse saying that heaven was created after earth. The verse says of turning towards the heaven, which would imply that there was already a heaven in place. Hence the verse would not be about heaven being created after earth, but the heaven undergoing a change of state.

Moreoever Quran always puts the heaven prior to earth as it says in several verses that Allah is the Lord of the heavens and the earth or similar verse. Which all hint towards some priorness of heaven, perhaps because of its prior creation or perhaps because heavens are a greater creation.