[MannyLopez]

thanks brother - I will avoid messaging this jil jak haq. I would have did my post Asr Dhikr instead of replying him.

prayer is nothing without the correct aqeedah and that my friend is something you haven't got.

[rozneesitcn]

prayer is nothing without the correct aqeedah and that my friend is something you haven't got.

To 'StrengtheningMyDeen' the 'Correct aqeedah' is that you call the 'awliya for help and ask them for children.

[MannyLopez]

To 'StrengtheningMyDeen' the 'Correct aqeedah' is that you call the 'awliya for help and ask them for children.

no we dont do that, we just grow extra long beards and shave our heads and strech our legs outwide as much as the jubbah allows us and we disturb the people next to us and the only word we know are shirk and biddah

dont be daft

[rozneesitcn]

no we dont do that, we just grow extra long beards and shave our heads and strech our legs outwide as much as the jubbah allows us and we disturb the people next to us and the only word we know are shirk and biddah

dont be daft

Did Ahmed Raza Khan say 'Ya Ghawth' all the time or not? He himself says he did. If asking for help from ghairullah is asking help from Allah, or the same, then what is the issue with asking the 'awliya for children and wealth? (naudhubillah)

Why ask ar-Razzaq for wealth when you can ask the 'Ghawth?' (naudhubillah)

[MannyLopez]

[QUOTE=Quandary;718334]Did Ahmed Raza Khan say 'Ya Ghawth' all the time or not? He himself says he did. If asking for help from ghairullah is asking help from Allah, or the same, then what is the issue with asking the 'awliya for children and wealth? (naudhubillah)

Why ask ar-Razzaq for wealth when you can ask the 'Ghawth?' (naudhubillah)[/Q

we can argue but this will not end , that's why we try to get the big name salafis so everything comes open to everyone we challenged on tv and through mosques yet they want to give £500 for the one who can prove 15 shabaan which is a furui issue.

[rozneesitcn]

we can argue but this will not end , that's why we try to get the big name salafis so everything comes open to everyone we challenged on tv and through mosques yet they want to give £500 for the one who can prove 15 shabaan which is a furui issue.

Of course it won't end, you're blinded by shirk. I've read the Barelwi arguments in favor of this and all of them are idiotic. 'Oh, asking a dead 'awliya for wealth or children isn't worship.'

Yes, you people are lovers of vile showmanship and imbecility. Have your 'live debates' with your feces-throwing and spitting like monkeys. I do not care.

[MannyLopez]

Of course it won't end, you're blinded by shirk. I've read the Barelwi arguments in favor of this and all of them are idiotic. 'Oh, asking a dead 'awliya for wealth or children isn't worship.'

Yes, you people are lovers of vile showmanship and imbecility. Have your 'live debates' with your feces-throwing and spitting like monkeys. I do not care.

you do not care but shaykh dimashqiyyah does that why he ended up in my local mosque asking for a debate

[ashleyjoseph]

prayer is nothing without the correct aqeedah and that my friend is something you haven't got.

y

I watched the beginning of the video... But I don't know which shaykh was who... Don't really care.....

Why are you bothering these people??? No one knows who aqida is correct except Allah... You sound like a salafi..... Prayer is nothing without correct aqidah... Salafis say that.

I think the muslim world is screwed up because we argue about dumb things....

What the scholars have disagreed about, we will continue to disagree about until the last day.... If not the Prophet (Sallahu alayhi wa salam) will be a liar... And Prophets don't lie. He said his ummah will divide into 73 sects... and to think that the Ummah will unite before the coming of the Mahdi..... Is a useless wish, unless you believe our Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa salam) lied....

Debating is haraam... By consensus......

So why debate about something you know the other is not going to agree with??? If one is truly honest.... every sect has a point... if you are truly objective.....

And Allah knows best...

[rozneesitcn]

you do not care but shaykh dimashqiyyah does that why he ended up in my local mosque asking for a debate

Fascinating. I don't live in London or the UK and am not responsible for what Sheikh Abdur-Rahman ad-Dimashqiyah does or does not do. He should have requested a written debate in Arabic which would not be aired to the masses; but Allah knows best.

[MannyLopez]

Fascinating. I don't live in London or the UK and am not responsible for what Sheikh Abdur-Rahman ad-Dimashqiyah does or does not do. He should have requested a written debate in Arabic which would not be aired to the masses; but Allah knows best.

yes fascinating indeed and the lion of the ahlusnnah stood up and it is available for everyone to see. the loss of dimashqiyahh look like the larm bells are ringing have you come back to reality.

[rozneesitcn]

yes fascinating indeed and the lion of the ahlusnnah stood up and it is available for everyone to see. the loss of dimashqiyahh look like the larm bells are ringing have you come back to reality.

Did you come on here to toot Asrar Rashid's horn or what? Nobody cares, you know that, right? Nobody will ever be convinced by you, for a few reasons:
1) You are obviously not educated, you have terrible adab
2) Your responses are dogmatic and stupid-sounding.

Why do you come here? Go to yanabi or ********* or one of the other 50 Barelwi forums.

[MannyLopez]

Did you come on here to toot Asrar Rashid's horn or what? Nobody cares, you know that, right? Nobody will ever be convinced by you, for a few reasons:
1) You are obviously not educated, you have terrible adab
2) Your responses are dogmatic and stupid-sounding.

Why do you come here? Go to yanabi or ********* or one of the other 50 Barelwi forums.

alahmdulillah

you dont know who your talking to so pls calm down and go to the salafi forum.

[rozneesitcn]

alahmdulillah

you dont know who your talking to so pls calm down and go to the salafi forum.

What would be really funny is if you're his kid or something, or one of his doofy head-burned mureeds.

I think I will finish now. Please re-read the Qur'an without Barelwi commentary.

[HonjUopu]

can someone ban this Barelwi jin jak haq

[exschke]

y

I watched the beginning of the video... But I don't know which shaykh was who... Don't really care.....

Why are you bothering these people??? No one knows who aqida is correct except Allah... You sound like a salafi..... Prayer is nothing without correct aqidah... Salafis say that.

I think the muslim world is screwed up because we argue about dumb things....

What the scholars have disagreed about, we will continue to disagree about until the last day.... If not the Prophet (Sallahu alayhi wa salam) will be a liar... And Prophets don't lie. He said his ummah will divide into 73 sects... and to think that the Ummah will unite before the coming of the Mahdi..... Is a useless wish, unless you believe our Prophet (sallahu alayhi wa salam) lied....

Debating is haraam... By consensus......

So why debate about something you know the other is not going to agree with??? If one is truly honest.... every sect has a point... if you are truly objective.....

And Allah knows best...

Asalamu Alaikum,
I find it quite strange that this brother gave very good advice on dealing with someone like this character that is causing so much argumentation and yet it just gets ignored and people continue just for the sake of having their say and getting the last word in. Please brothers, ignore the foolish and heed the wise. So far, you've been doing the polar opposite.

[MannyLopez]

Asalamu Alaikum,
I find it quite strange that this brother gave very good advice on dealing with someone like this character that is causing so much argumentation and yet it just gets ignored and people continue just for the sake of having their say and getting the last word in. Please brothers, ignore the foolish and heed the wise. So far, you've been doing the polar opposite.

the problem is that you do not know your own aqidah , this is the most jahil forum i ever know. instead of defending you akabir cliams you betray your own scholars and turn to slanderin me and calling foolish,

may allah give you hidayah if it is your destiny

[klubneras]

may allah give you hidayah if it is your destiny

brother.
Just to shed the prejudice, I m neither deobandi nor berelvi.

Brother you seem to be angry with us. Whats the problem? Can't we discuss things more calmly.

[MannyLopez]

brother.
Just to shed the prejudice, I m neither deobandi nor berelvi.

Brother you seem to be angry with us. Whats the problem? Can't we discuss things more calmly.

waialikumslam

yes brother we can discuss calmly

go onto to the thread called 'clarification on this ayah' and look at the evidence presented which are irrefutable and look how the ignorant ignore like they are blind act towards the evidences

[klubneras]

waialikumslam

yes brother we can discuss calmly

go onto to the thread called 'clarification on this ayah' and look at the evidence presented which are irrefutable and look how the ignorant ignore like they are blind act towards the evidences

I did see that thread. You are talking about the celebration of Mawlid right?

[MannyLopez]

I did see that thread. You are talking about the celebration of Mawlid right?

yes and then haazir wa naazir