[Wheldcobchoto]

Salaam Alaikum what do you think about Muslims joining Non-Muslim armies for example the German Airforce or the French Foreign Legion? And what is the stance of the Ulema regarding this issue.

[Bvghbopz]

Wa'alaikum salaam

if those foreign armies are directly or indirectly waging war against Muslims then it is absolutely forbidden. If they are not then I am not sure, check with a reliable shaikh.

[Wheldcobchoto]

Wa'alaikum salaam

if those foreign armies are directly or indirectly waging war against Muslims then it is absolutely forbidden. If they are not then I am not sure, check with a reliable shaikh.

Thanks for your reply

[juliannamed]

Wa'alaikum salaam

if those foreign armies are directly or indirectly waging war against Muslims then it is absolutely forbidden. If they are not then I am not sure, check with a reliable shaikh.

As far as I know, that is not just haram, it is kufr. I imagine that Mufti Nizamuddin Shamizai has a bayaan about that, somewhere...

[Wheldcobchoto]

As far as I know, that is not just haram, it is kufr. I imagine that Mufti Nizamuddin Shamizai has a bayaan about that, somewhere...

What about merely training and going to other non-Muslim countries?

[loginptsa]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

This first fatwa is from Sh Al-Munajjid:

I work in the army of a non-Muslim state, and there are wars between them and the Muslims. What is the ruling if they send me with a division of this army to wage war against the Muslims? As a Muslim, my feelings are that I never want to fight against Muslims in any war. What should I do? What is the ruling if I go…?

Praise be to Allaah.

If you are sent to wage war against the Muslims, then it is not permissible for you to take part at all. Helping the kaafirs against the Muslims is a form of major kufr which puts one beyond the pale of Islam. Allaah says concerning one who supports the mushrikeen (interpretation of the meaning):

“And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’, i.e., friends), then surely, he is one of them”[al-Maa’idah 5:51]

With regard to how you may get out of this situation, and what excuse you can give to get out of this dilemma if it happens, we ask Allaah to help you, and we suggest that you consult some Muslims who have relevant knowledge or experience.

We want to emphasize to you the necessity of finding other employment and of leaving service in the army of the kaafirs, because that implies helping them, strengthening them and increasing the numbers of their fighters and supporters – unless your work can bring some benefits to the Muslims, such as giving information and secrets of the kaafirs to the Muslims so as to help the Muslims, or if your work is purely da’wah, such as giving khutbahs and leading prayers for the Muslims in the kaafir army whilst also advising them to avoid any work that will strengthen the kaafirs. We ask Allaah to keep you safe from temptation and to give you a good end in this world and in the Hereafter.
This one is from Sh Ibn Muhammad Saalih al-Uthaymeen, May Allah have mercy upon him:
What is the ruling on Muslims serving in the military of non muslim country ? What is the evidence for its permissibility or prohibition? And lastly, what is the status of a Muslim working to help those in the military to fulfill their obligations to Allaah while serving in the Army, Navy, or whatever?

Praise be to Allaah.

We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen, may Allaah preserve him, who answered as follows:

“Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds. Military matters are problematic, because they involve helping these kuffaar to wage war against the Muslims or those who have entered into a treaty with the Muslims. If no such thing is involved, it may be advantageous for Muslims to work in these armies so as to learn their secrets and be aware of their potential evil. In other words, if working in these armies could be of benefit, it may be permissible, otherwise it is not allowed.”

On this basis, if a person works as a preacher or daa’iyah or imaam or muezzin, serving the Muslims and calling non-Muslims to Islam, then there is nothing wrong with this.

And for good measure, here is one more fatwa

[juliannamed]

Mufti Rafi Usmani's view on the matter may be ascertained from this translation of Maariful Qur'an.

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MQ/Eng...ge-174-229.pdf

[Wheldcobchoto]

So what is the position of al-Azhar , Darul Uloom Deoband and other non-Salafi scholars regarding this matter?

*Joining non-Muslim armies serving in them but let's say without fighting directly against other muslims?
*Merely training without going abroad but protecting weaponry such as fighter jets that may participate in wars against Muslim countries?

[ljq0AYOV]

Here's one British Imam's take on the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZdVE9iBP0U

[juliannamed]

You posted that ironically, right? That guy is a kaafir. He denied the obligation of hijab and said Adam had 'monkey-like parents.' Then he started calling for secularism.

[Wheldcobchoto]

You posted that ironically, right? That guy is a kaafir. He denied the obligation of hijab and said Adam had 'monkey-like parents.' Then he started calling for secularism.

Who's he?

[Hmwmzian]

Mufti Rafi Usmani's view on the matter may be ascertained from this translation of Maariful Qur'an.

http://www.islamibayanaat.com/MQ/Eng...ge-174-229.pdf

Just a correction. Mufti Rafi Usmani is alive and well - may Allah lengthen his life and benefit for us. The author of Ma'ariful Qur'an was his father, Mufti Shafi' Usmani .

Who's he?

He was a Salafi but now he is rejected by all Salafis and even all Muslims because he holds and espouses views that take a person out of Islam - beliefs such as human evolution and going against the Qur'an. This is one of the dangers of Salafism.

[ValdisSeroff]

the statement of shaikh ibn uthaymeen is good enough for me. Very logical. If me joining teh ranks of teh kuffar, hinder islam (such as being posted in a muslim country and aiding teh slaughter of musilms) then its kufr al akbar, if me joining aids islam (example if you learn some technology and you have a realistic chance of then working ina muslim country and developing those same tactics or technologies there) then its permissable and even recommended.

Makes sense

remember the issue of realism is important though. if you learn their tactics, will you have any opprtunity to teach it to teh muslims? If you work on some weaponry or aircraft technology or something, will you be able to work in the muslim lands developing this technology? In some cases the answer is yet, in some cases no. The key question is whether it is empowering the muslim countries or weakening them. Wallahu a'lam

[juliannamed]

Just a correction. Mufti Rafi Usmani is alive and well - may Allah lengthen his life and benefit for us. The author of Ma'ariful Qur'an was his father, Mufti Shafi' Usmani .

Whoopsie-daisies. I appreciate the correction.

[DoctorTOneery]

You posted that ironically, right? That guy is a kaafir. He denied the obligation of hijab and said Adam had 'monkey-like parents.' Then he started calling for secularism.

Brother, he has certain theories - misguided I know. But its just a theory, does not mean he has renounced Islam by 'entertaining' a particular theory - because someone could come along and sustain a convincing theory to the contrary, which he would accept. Lets avoid takfir here brother.

His warm words towards the troops are troubling, but make no difference to his Iman. Many muslims in various countries, particularly Kurdistan-Iraq or Bosnia, Libya etc would equally be called in question for there love and support of western forces on the ground helping them in their countries from tyrannical regimes.



Allahu A'lam

[juliannamed]

Brother, he has certain theories - misguided I know. But its just a theory, does not mean he has renounced Islam by 'entertaining' a particular theory - because someone could come along and sustain a convincing theory to the contrary, which he would accept. Lets avoid takfir here brother.

Allahu A'lam

Absolutely not. He said 'Adam had monkey-like parents,' and denied that the hijab is fardh. The latter is ma'lum min al-din bil-dharura. He's a kaafir. Your 'refraining from takfir' is not praiseworthy. It is blameworthy, because you are viewing this foul zindiq as a Muslim when what he is is the opposite. I trust Maulana Ahmed Sadek Desai to relay the correct opinion on this, so I recommend that you mail him.

Saying 'Adam had monkey-like parents,' is blatantly rejecting the Qur'an and numerous hadith, so it's kufr. It's like saying "Allah is not the best in judgment."

[bataovady]

it realy depends who you fight aganst if you join the us army and go to afganistan then that is bad