[Penisvergroesserung]

salaaaam,

may be some of you can help me out with something thats been bugging me for a while...

why is it our deobandi brothers dont seem to be intrested in learning about the deen the way some of our counter-parts salafi seem to be learning.

the reason why i ask last summer whilst in england i requested a few so called 'professionals brothers ever so willing to learn' that i am willing to teach them tafseer or hadeeth or go through masaail. not one of them was intrested until i lost hope and gave up. i felt quite down as a result.

a similar thing happend with my colleugue who told me there would be only person who would attend his dars.

why????????

[Qutlsilh]

This is unfortunately something normal. Most people will not care to take benefit of a person who is willingly freeing his time to teach others. Instead they will complain about the other shuyookh who do not give out time. They will only wonder why the popular shuyookh do not give them time while not taking notice of that shaykh who may not be big in name but is willing to impart what he knows.

My late shaykh once mentioned something to the effect that sometimes a person wants something from the big main door (of say a building) and yet it is not that door that will benefit him but rather the small side door.

While it may not answer the 'why' question, I suggest even if it's one sincere person then teach that person as Allah knows best which of our actions will be our salvation.

[Tuqofiw]

i don't think this is a deobandi/salafi issue depending on where you are from

for example here in the UK many of the youth attend salafi conferences because of the way they are advertised and the whole setting...the fame of the organisation...the fame of the teachers who are teaching the course...unfortunately some of them don't have good segregation either so some may go for other intentions wallahu alam

on the other hand there are separate classes that happen in masjids on completely separate day for men and women and not much advertising and famous speakers...mostly local aalims/aalimahs...these classes generally have only a few students

[SkatrySkith]

Wa ´alaykum as-salam,

It is not just a Deobandi thing. I have found the same in other surroundings. There is more of a interest in attending random motivational and inspirational lectures than for people to sit down and study a text as well. People want to be spoon fed, and when they are, even then some people are reluctant to swallow the food. Ya´ani, people are lazy... plain and simple. Another thing is, as sister Sudoku mentioned, they want the big names. I suppose it may be pride and arrogance... Why should they have to settle for a lower grade mawlana when others get the big shaykh, right? It is sad indeed. It is the same thing with educational institutions, people want to go to Darul Uloom Deoband, Azhar etc, yet they have not went to the Imam of the local masjid, nor did they put the effort in.

wa'Llahu a'lam

[konanoileaski]

Asalaam
I would really like to learn knowledge though expenses and situations don't allow do you know of anything constructive and free online, or is online useless for learning knowledge which is best left to the classroom.

I think it has to do with the mentality, salafies are very active and their scholars push themselves out to push the importance of knowledge, whereas indo/pak people have a mentality of leaving it to the scholars.

Wasalaam

[Loxaeed]

This is a question that still puzzels us, colonel hardstone has been saying this for years, maybe he would could answer this, i'll email him and see if get a response.

But i can only think its that the brothers who are practising are already involved in some other effort of deen tj/tassawuf and this to them is sufficient for them or the ones who have got zeal enroll at a madrasa. Now thats a big chunk already accounted for...

I would also say the deobandi masjids have never accomadated this kind of learning, they have never let the ulama who come out of darululoom to flourish and let them do their thing in the local masjids.

And also the ulama that do get churned out of darululooms are not interested in doing these things in their masjids, only a handfull are active and ready to give time.

Molana saab the thing is you cant expect that people will automatically come to the programmes just like that, the imam and other responsible brothers will have to invite/promote create a zeal/connection with them and only then the programmes can be succesfull/bring the numbers in.

Just some random thoughts

[SergZHy67]

To the above question we need to add the following too:

Are we benefiting from the knowledge we already know?

Knowledge without benefit is something our Rasoolullah sought refuge from.

[Tuqofiw]

this may have something to do with tasawwuf aswell as most of the deobandi ulemah are associated with tasawwuf...many of them don't like the fame so will do small classes instead of huge seminars...many of them refuse to be called shaykh etc so the common people think maybe he is not learned enough to be called shaykh

the other thing is with the huge seminars people can say i studied under such and such shaykh...also the ijazah culture we are seeing these days...why would these people want to attend classes regularly for months on end and get no recognition when they can do a weeks course or a weekend course and get an ijazah!

im sure even regular segregated study circles within the salafi community taught by a unknown shaykh who is unlinked to a big organisation will have very few students

[thighikergove]

Its not a Deobandi thing, anyways, if you observe the numbers of Deobandi are much much more than salafis, so its possible you may not have noticed. Bro Siraj Ud Din who is a user on this forum is doing his engineering and nearly a Hafiz now, 26+ paras finished. He is into Tabligh too, while I was in khurooj I came across a small place (in a not so developed part of India) where 16 madrasah's and nearly as many maktabs were established by Deo/TJ's, we got 2 kids of our saathis to join the Hifz course after we completed our khurooj. Not to speak of of my bro. 3 kids of my neighboring Halaqa TJ zimmedaar are Hafiz's, of those 3, 2 are Aalims/ Muftis faarigh from Deo, the 3rd one is I think has started Aalimiyatt. If Deo/TJ's hadn't encouraged ilm e Deen, why would we have so many madrasah's in the first place? At the place I was living before, a big madrasah was started named after an old TJ zimmedaar, now that madrasah has grown to accomodate 100 kids Allhaumma Barik Fihee :Alhamd:

Heck! We are the one's who are into Ilm e Deen like no other.

May Allah SWT grant and save my ikhlaas. Summa aameen.

[thighikergove]

Bro Dihya Kalbi, are you a scholar?

[Pharmaciest2007]

Let us accept that this is not purely a Deobandi problem - irrespective of the truth of this assertion.
What can we do about it?
I cajoled a Maulana to start Arabic understanding classes in our local Mosque. In a few months the attendance dropped to such low levels that after the Ramadan break there was no motivation to restart the classes.

[Elitiachirl]

Assalam alikum wa rahmat Allah.

Br. one usually seeks the thing that he make most dhikr of.
in our times most of us do dhikr of dunya so our passion is also seeking dunya
seeking ilm of akhira needs dhikr of akhira and Allah swt
salafi brothers do better job simplify things too much

Wassalam

[wooclosmercob]

Assalamu alaykum.

The salafees learn knowledge as a reactive approach. The deobandis have to go for pro-active. It is normal that reactive attitude is more zealous (but dies down).

[Kingerix]

It has nothing to do with salafi/ deobandi/Sufism as such...

Salafis are comprised of converts and people who were already seeking knowledge (those ethic Muslims)

Salafism appeals to the nafs,*
so it's very attractive to the glory seeker.:.. Learn *two Hadith and a you will be praised...

Salafis also runs the moderate Muslims away.... So they don't have lay back salafis... Salafism is very rigorous path to follow so few stay... This is a proof that it is not a representation of the early Muslims.


Deobandis and traditional Islam comprise of Muslims from all walks of life... From the hard worker to the lazy... And sahaba comprised of people who were hard working and lazy..... *It's a snap shot of reality...

Salafism is a fantasy that will lead to nothing... All their claims have proven to be folly... If you have the right aqidah you'll be united one of their claims... Salafis are the most divided group, they probably have 73 different sects within salafism...

The reality of the matter is this, most people are not knowledge seekers.... The ulama and the students of knowledge have always been few in comparison to people they represent...
*
And Allah knows best.

[Penisvergroesserung]

Bro Dihya Kalbi, are you a scholar?

i graduated from a darul uloom.