[buchmausar]

Right but my tiny point was if I’m not growing my bananas myself I’d have to buy them first wholesale with interest and then sell them at my banana stand. That was my tiny point.

the whole point about this system is that you dont buy anything. you offer goods and services that you produce and offer yourself.

[Unergerah]

Islam give the complete guideline and policy for Muslims how to live and how to establish Islamic state. But we are failure due to lack of knowledge.

[HootSnori]

sister i dont believe he would make a good khalif. giving good speeches does not mean u r a great khalifa. a khalifa requires extremely high illumination of the qalb and extremely hig knowledge and wisdom. which i did not see in anwar. simply giving good speeches does not make u a good khalifa. it requires exrtreme wisdom

Very true, our Caliph should have all those qualities esp a sound heart. Insha Allah, if we are all sincere and strive hard to re-establish the Khilafah, Allah SWT will bring out from amongst us a leader of exceptional Iman, intellect, and knowledge. May that happen. Amin ya Rabb!

[HootSnori]

the whole point about this system is that you dont buy anything. you offer goods and services that you produce and offer yourself.

I see. It seems like great system and insha Allah ta’ala some dedicated Muslims will take on this project and make it happen.

[kasandrasikl]

I was visited by a man from Qatar, who presented himself as this Islamic authority and an Islamic leader. He said, "Kitab wa Sunna". I said, "How can you say, 'Kitab wa Sunna', if you work for this Amir, when this and this, and more that you know that I do not know is haram and should be punished and is unacceptable?" He said, "Oh, he is a very nice man, he is a very charming man, but he is rather stupid and he does not understand these things so we do not discuss them with him." He was prepared to accept the complete surrender of that political and legal authority for the tenure and the salary of a silent 'alim, who would underwrite every haram act of that government.

So what we find is we have 'ulama' and no fuqaha'. It has to be that those people who talk about the creation of an Islamic state have arrived at this thesis. I refer to the modernists and the elements like Maududi and some intellectuals in Ikhwan al-Muslimin, who talk about Islamic constitutions, when this is not acceptable - when this is in fact the structural process of the enemies of Islam. Constitutionalism is not Islamic, it is masonic and therefore jewish. They talk about an Islamic state, when what they are referring to, is that they would take on the infra-structure of a modern technological society and then somehow there would be some moral tidying up on the edges, so you would end up with a kind of Islam that was like the united states under Herbert Hoover - which is that it was a monopoly capitalism but nobody got drunk. This is not the case. This is not the Islamic thesis at all.

So what we want to do is to go back to the very beginning of the process and see how piece by piece we can get a picture. The point that we will go back to - it is not conceivable that an intelligent Muslim could disagree with it, and it will have to mean that at the beginning, all later 'aqida, all later critiques, all later reformism, has to be thrown out as bid'a, whether it is from Ahl as-Sufiyya, whether it is from the Ahl al this or Ahl al that - you will have to say, "None of this is anything but accretion, let us find what they originally had." And that would also mean Ibn Taymiyya and Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab, because they introduced elements in 'aqida which were not in this primal thesis, and which contradict, and which double back in a later generation on their own people so that they say something and then they pull back from it later on. As the wahhabis first rejected madhhab then were forced by the 'ulama at a later stage to accept Ahmad ibn Hanbal, but they do not open the books of Ibn Hanbal - they put them up on the wall as a protection for them. And then they say, "We'll take al-Ash'ari", but things in al-Ash'ari are contradicted by the Kitab at-Tawhid of Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab. Now they are talking about getting rid of al-Ash'ari because they are now so strong and so rich and nobody bothers about the law and nobody gets punished for doing anything unless he has got an income of under a thousand dollars a year.

http://bewley.virtualave.net/Root1.html (Root Islamic Education by Shaykh Abdal Qadir as Sufi)

[Mifsnavassy]

Bismillah
We are not living in an era of empire ad expansion. So the idea of khilafat as it used to be is not suitable. At best it will be like EEC and a head with a symbolic figure who can make decision on matters that has collective implication (i.e defence, finance etc) but will have no power at micro level apart from the land where he resides.
Imagine a simpleton being leader, he will cause great fitnah & bloodshed. So literalist in essence will have no impact and will give way to fascism. Only in 4 schools of Jursiprudance a systematic solution can be found.

Brother, you sound confused.
Since when did an "era's trend" determine what believers do?
Are we not to seek liberation from the powers of the kufar?
Are we supposed to lay down on our graves before we are even dead, just lay there and make duah while the kufar throw dirt on us?

The issue of khilafah is absolutely applicable today, perhaps moreso than the last 1000 years. Today, governments are more powerful and capable than ever before- not less. The decree and order of a ruler can reach throughout the world in seconds, the implementation of that decree being implemented by systemic organizational structures.

The khilafah is a central authority and the contemporary government structure is entirely capable of implementing a central authoritative model.

As well, the assemblies of governments in the world, such as the Arab League, have no physical authority. They are merely mirages to give legitimacy to corrupt regimes. The Arab League has not solved a single major problem facing the Muslim world. Even in Libya, they simply 'passed' authority over to the UN security council. The Arab League has shown that assemblies of states are simply tools of the kufar.

In reality, a khilafah state would stand up to the Arab League and expose it for what it is: the formula of Western imperial power.
As for what is possible today regarding governments and states...

Brother, with respect, it is better to be silent on such matters than to dissuading others from doing what Allah has commanded.