[Marat]

Assalamu Alaykum

I am interested to understand more of the kurdish issue on the middle east area. Can someone provide some good articles explaining exacty what their issues are, specifically with turkey and generally in the middle east.

Can the issues in turkey be resolved by discussion between kurds and teh government or can it only be resolved by giving the kurdish people their own country?

I wish to understand the issue more and what their greivances are etc so please provide input and also your oppinions regarding realistic and practical solutions

Jazakum allahu khair

[Marat]

it appears that oppression of the kurds may be linked with the secular turkish movement if i am not misunderstanding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_i...Ottoman_Empire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turk_Revolution

[Marat]

in what way did kurds become second class citzens? Iagree that the best thing for now seems to be to let them have their own state, what would turkey say about that though and what is teh current ruler of turkeys position on them? If turkey gave teh kurds their land, it would really hurt iran, iraq and syria all of which are shia ruled countries so I can see an additional beenfit tehre as it would be a thorn in the sides of the new shia political uprising

[feroiodpiop]

yes TJ is the best way but I wonder how successful they are in kurdistan? It was once a place full of sufis but don't know how many sufis have managed something recently there

[Mifsnavassy]

Brothers, the Kurdish issue emerged when the internal problems in the Muslim world were taken advantage of by the external enemies.
More specifically, the internal problems of the Muslim world were

1. 1)the decline of Islamic thought which led to the 'closing of the door' to ijtihad;
2. 2)the unaccountability of political leadership allowed for pervasive WAHN, resulting in the most cruel, most violent gaining political leadership;
3. 3)these two factors resulting in Uthmani rule over what is today Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Sham with varying degrees of corruption and oppression.

The first factor meant existing problems went unaddressed, unresolved.
It also meant the Muslims were unable to confront new problems and crises. To this day, some ulama still claim that the Ummah cannot confront oppressive tyrants or kufr regimes from among us, thus essentially allowing the most immoral, most violent, most ruthless to gain authority. This is NOT how the sahaba (rah) reacted to either kufr regimes (Harbul Ridda) or the appearance of tyranny, such as the sahaba's response to the murder of Uthman (rahm).



The British entered the Islamic state led by Uthmani sultan at this time and saw some degrees of corruption and oppression. They seductively introduced nationalism in particular to lead to autonomy and self determination for Kurds . And the idea of a separate Kurdish state gained the support of cruel, Wahn obsessed Kurdish elites who saw the concept as a way for them to consolidate wealth, power, elitism, control.

But the British saw Kurdish nationalism as merely a tool to divide the Muslims, not as a viable alternative. It became a weapon to use against the Persians, the Arabs, and the Turks. When these three complied with the British, they sheathed the weapon.

What drives Kurdish nationalism today is the backing of Wahn Kurdish elites. They stand to gain the most.

However, it is HARAM to support, advocate, or permit the separation of Muslims from other Muslims based on HARAM such as nationalism. And Nationalism is HARAM- it is NOT from Islam and not permitted in any form.

[Mifsnavassy]

The solution to Kurdish nationalism is ideological and spiritual propagation of Islam among Kurdish people, ending the attachment to nationalism.

But there must also be an end to Arab nationalism, Turkish nationalism, and Persian nationalism.
And all of these must be replaced by Islam as a functional guidance which unifies them all

[Marat]

bro usama are you sure your not HT lol you sound just like them. You must have at least studied with them.

In answer toyour post, its a little bit too unrealistic. You need practical solutions. Ultimately the aim is to have on khilafah inshallah with all nationalitiesunder, but in the short term we need solutions to deal with our difficult circumstances. a united kurdistan that cooperates with other sunni muslim governments without feeling oppressed may be a good solution. In the time of the salaf, the ummah was divided into tribes. Each tribe had a leader i dont see a diference between that and having a kurdishpeople with an emir as part of a sunni bloc?

irans issue isnt nationalism its shiaism

[Mifsnavassy]

bro usama are you sure your not HT lol you sound just like them. You must have at least studied with them.

In answer toyour post, its a little bit too unrealistic. You need practical solutions. Ultimately the aim is to have on khilafah inshallah with all nationalitiesunder, but in the short term we need solutions to deal with our difficult circumstances. a united kurdistan that cooperates with other sunni muslim governments without feeling oppressed may be a good solution. In the time of the salaf, the ummah was divided into tribes. Each tribe had a leader i dont see a diference between that and having a kurdishpeople with an emir as part of a sunni bloc?

irans issue isnt nationalism its shiaism

My respected brother,
I responded to your inquiry with sincere advice to a fellow believer by chance that Allah would accept it as a humble attempt to serve Him.
I am not a HT member.
My devotion is to Allah and His Messenger (). When they decide a matter, I have no say thereafter except to say "I hear and obey".

The Prophet () said (the meaning of which are) 'leave it [asabiyah], it is rotten" (Bukhari) and "whomever, calls for "asabiyah" is not from among us, whomever fights for asabiya is not from among us, whomever dies for asabiyah is not from among us."
And fuqaha have rightly interpretted that nationalism today, qaumiyah, is a contemporary manifestation of 'asabiyah' of the time of the Prophet ().

And what does Islam say about splitting off from the main jama`ah?
Or what did Allah said about being divided?

"Hold fast all together to the Rope of Allah and be not divided and remember the blessings bestowed onto you: how when you were enemies he brought your hearts together so that through His blessing you became brethren; and you were on the brink of a fiery abyss! He saved you from it. In this way Allah makes clear His Message onto you, so that you might find guidance." 3:103 TMQ

Dear brother,
Our Ummah has been utterly decimated by our enemies in large part by the wahn of those who dominate/rule over us. And nationalism has been a manifestation of that evil such that every cruel and violent leader, lusting after power and wealth and brutally suppressing his rivals (from local chiefs, to amirs, to the Uthmani sultan), has sought some slice of land for himself, thinking he will be above others, but in reality has fallen and been outwitted or trapped by the enemies of Allah. As you imply "what is practical" should determine our actions, "what is practical" was set up as part of the plan of our enemies as they admit- they have always designed to split up the Muslim world into various segments and will likely continue to do so as long as they have the power to do so.




What is practical brother?
I am a poor, starving man with a wife and children. I would like a home with food and good things and a good job, but I prefer to break into my neighbor's home to take his food, hooking up lines to attach to his water source and electrical power, and even erect a fence on his property in which to raise my livestock because it's practical.

Or, I am a rich man who would like to do the right thing but my wealth dissipates so quickly. So while I believe in doing good, I invest in interest/rib`a portfolio of investments to generate wealth and growth from my riches because it's practical.

As for your points:
a colleague of mine mentioned recently a truth: every great leader no matter who he was had a plan. Planning is critical for success.
Can we agree on this?

Does Islam offer a plan to its own implementation? Or can we humans just determine our own plan?
Does Allah inform us of this or not? What does Allah say about planning?

[Mifsnavassy]

And Iran is indeed committed to a form of nationalism. It is a national republic with Shiism serving to fill its national identity vacuum. It subscribes to the concepts of nationalism. Khomeini admitted near his death that he failed in complete reimplementation of Islam as he was forced to compromise with Iranian secularists, much like how Egyptians and others facing a similar compromise.

From my observations of Kurdish nationalism, Kurds in Turkey in particular have sustained a level of insulation from the rest of the world by holding to Kurdish language and being dominatd by the PKK and secular, even atheist Kurdish diaspora in Europe.

Kurds in Iraq at least had access to the Arab world by learning arabic. Not so in Turkey.

As well, socialist and secular atheist Kurds in Europe have been a driving force for the PKK and terroristic secularism. It has been reported by Kurds that the PKK have forced their militants to pray jumuah prayers on days other than Friday, determining when they fast during Ramadan, controlling what of Islam is taught to Kurdish villages, etc. Several madrassas in Kurdish regions have been bombed by the PKK.

“[They] even killed two imams who are believed to be followers of Gülen movement [in the Kurdish southeast], and bombed Gülen's schools,” Uslu claimed.

Analysts suggested there is an ongoing competition in the Kurdish southeast of Turkey between the PKK and Gülen’s networks. http://www.rudaw.net/english/news/turkey/4164.html

Again, Kurdish nationalism is fomented by communists and socialists, and European powers who have used Kurdish nationalism as a thorn in the side of Turkey for almost 100 years. But none of these are truly tied to the Islamic identity and heritage of Kurds.

And the PKK know that if they don't fend off the spread of Islam in Kurdish regions, their nationalist and separatist campaign will fail. So they use the insular benefits of Kurdish language initiatives in Turkey.

[Hdzcxqoi]

Assalamu Alaykum

I am interested to understand more of the kurdish issue on the middle east area. Can someone provide some good articles explaining exacty what their issues are, specifically with turkey and generally in the middle east.

Can the issues in turkey be resolved by discussion between kurds and teh government or can it only be resolved by giving the kurdish people their own country?

I wish to understand the issue more and what their greivances are etc so please provide input and also your oppinions regarding realistic and practical solutions

Jazakum allahu khair

Bankers from the city of London might want to break up Turkey. Check this .

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A strong Turkey is problematic for the world government , the long-cherished dream of the usury-loving bankers. Check this.

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