[pharweqto]

I'm new here, I wish I'll have a good time and learn more, while (hopefully) helping as much as I can.

I've been wondering for a while now about Islam in the modern world. We all know that Muslims have been in pretty bad shape since WWI, mainly because the Ottoman Empire was gone, and it was the only Muslim great power. Another cause probably is that the English and French divided the Arab lands into smaller states.

BUT, things have changed, and there were even talks of Arab Unity, which for unknown region have failed. Before that, the Arab Israeli wars were pretty hard hitting and exhausting for newly established Jordan, Egypt and Syria. The Pakistan-India wars, Iraq wars in 1991 and 2003, the later removed Saddam from power and replaced him with a Shia government who are more loyal to Iran. Also the conflict in Afghanistan between Taliban and the USSR which, then the occupation of Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. The Lebanon war in 2006 and the Gaza war in (not sure) 2009. Now we witness the "Arab Spring" which began in Jan-2011, and removed many Arab leaders from power, with revolutions still going on with catastrophic civilian casualties in Yemen, and a civil war in the scope in Syria.

Now, why do you think all these things happen, is it just because every great nation has to fall eventually (Rome, Constantinople, Persia, USSR)? Or is it just politics and nothing to do with Religion? Mere coincidence? Please share your thoughts.

[Caunnysup]

The Muslim world was in decline far before the Ottoman caliphate fell. It went into decline the moment it started looking towards the West as a source of inspiration. The latter Ottoman caliphs and their governments brought forth anti-Islamic laws and reinforced secularism.

As for these revolutions that have happened in the Middle East, all we can do is wait and see. A lot of times, Western powers have been behind these revolutions and the replacement has usually been the same or even worse than the deposed government.

[pharweqto]

The Muslim world was in decline far before the Ottoman caliphate fell. It went into decline the moment it started looking towards the West as a source of inspiration. The latter Ottoman caliphs and their governments brought forth anti-Islamic laws and reinforced secularism.

As for these revolutions that have happened in the Middle East, all we can do is wait and see. A lot of times, Western powers have been behind these revolutions and the replacement has usually been the same or even worse than the deposed government.

I think what you say is right, we should know that the west were uncivilized and backwards when the Islamic state was prospering, I think what propelled them to the top was dominating the trade with India and China without passing through the Muslim lands, through the west and south of Mount of good hope. The Mongolian conquest of Baghdad, which was the caliphate capitol, may have had some effect, before being driven off by the Mamelukes. So many reasons and factors, I guess.

[stoneeZef]

1. every nation will fall evan usa
2. i wish all arab states unite and make one big republic

[QzVyZbTg]

I'm new here, I wish I'll have a good time and learn more, while (hopefully) helping as much as I can.

I've been wondering for a while now about Islam in the modern world. We all know that Muslims have been in pretty bad shape since WWI, mainly because the Ottoman Empire was gone, and it was the only Muslim great power. Another cause probably is that the English and French divided the Arab lands into smaller states.

BUT, things have changed, and there were even talks of Arab Unity, which for unknown region have failed. Before that, the Arab Israeli wars were pretty hard hitting and exhausting for newly established Jordan, Egypt and Syria. The Pakistan-India wars, Iraq wars in 1991 and 2003, the later removed Saddam from power and replaced him with a Shia government who are more loyal to Iran. Also the conflict in Afghanistan between Taliban and the USSR which, then the occupation of Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. The Lebanon war in 2006 and the Gaza war in (not sure) 2009. Now we witness the "Arab Spring" which began in Jan-2011, and removed many Arab leaders from power, with revolutions still going on with catastrophic civilian casualties in Yemen, and a civil war in the scope in Syria.

Now, why do you think all these things happen, is it just because every great nation has to fall eventually (Rome, Constantinople, Persia, USSR)? Or is it just politics and nothing to do with Religion? Mere coincidence? Please share your thoughts.

according to the knowledge allah has given me these calamities that have befallen us were allahs punishments, as the muslims have left islam and have been indulging in mass scale sins. when muslims start to commits sins their iman starts to become destroyed, allah causes everyting to become negative and calamities befall muslims. these calamites are just punishments from allah. these wars that have happened are simply allahs punishments thats all.

[QzVyZbTg]

I think what you say is right, we should know that the west were uncivilized and backwards when the Islamic state was prospering, I think what propelled them to the top was dominating the trade with India and China without passing through the Muslim lands, through the west and south of Mount of good hope. The Mongolian conquest of Baghdad, which was the caliphate capitol, may have had some effect, before being driven off by the Mamelukes. So many reasons and factors, I guess.

brother the west is still uncivllised and backwards, look at the zina they commit openly, billions in theft every years, transexuals, gays getting married, the walk around completely naked not just on beaches but in public ect..brother u r confusing their wealth and technology with being civillised and modern. being rich and advanced in technology does not make u civllised. look at usa it has killed 6 million people in their wars in past 50 years and dropped atomic bombs- is this the action of civillised people or barbarians. being civillised can only be achieved from islam. islam purifies the heart from all spiritual diseases, tazkya of nafs, teaches moral excellence and piety and wisdom it these things that make somen modern and civllised nto being rich, wearing a suite and advancing in technology

[U2DnBGFE]

I'm new here, I wish I'll have a good time and learn more, while (hopefully) helping as much as I can.

I've been wondering for a while now about Islam in the modern world. We all know that Muslims have been in pretty bad shape since WWI, mainly because the Ottoman Empire was gone, and it was the only Muslim great power. Another cause probably is that the English and French divided the Arab lands into smaller states.

BUT, things have changed, and there were even talks of Arab Unity, which for unknown region have failed. Before that, the Arab Israeli wars were pretty hard hitting and exhausting for newly established Jordan, Egypt and Syria. The Pakistan-India wars, Iraq wars in 1991 and 2003, the later removed Saddam from power and replaced him with a Shia government who are more loyal to Iran. Also the conflict in Afghanistan between Taliban and the USSR which, then the occupation of Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. The Lebanon war in 2006 and the Gaza war in (not sure) 2009. Now we witness the "Arab Spring" which began in Jan-2011, and removed many Arab leaders from power, with revolutions still going on with catastrophic civilian casualties in Yemen, and a civil war in the scope in Syria.

Now, why do you think all these things happen, is it just because every great nation has to fall eventually (Rome, Constantinople, Persia, USSR)? Or is it just politics and nothing to do with Religion? Mere coincidence? Please share your thoughts.

as to why its happening, its all in the hands of Allah SWT.

As to what should we be aiming to do in the situation, I suggest making a sunni bloc of states, having an EU style bloc, cooperating in all affairs from military economic, technology etc etc, and building ourselves up into a formiddable state that the west wouldnt dare mess with, like china or russia, too powerful to invade. after that we shoudl declare a khilafah inshAllah. thta my suggestion. Wallahhu a'lam

[U2DnBGFE]

I think what you say is right, we should know that the west were uncivilized and backwards when the Islamic state was prospering, I think what propelled them to the top was dominating the trade with India and China without passing through the Muslim lands, through the west and south of Mount of good hope. The Mongolian conquest of Baghdad, which was the caliphate capitol, may have had some effect, before being driven off by the Mamelukes. So many reasons and factors, I guess.

the west is still uncivilised in terms of way of life, but your right they have succeeded in imperial aims such as trade and military and technology and thats why thwy managed to over power us (accompanied by teh fact that Allah didnt will honour for us due to our pathetic state).

we need to regroup and get ourselves back togetehr. we cant aim for little statelets with AK-47's as we'll get invaded over and over. we need strong nation states built upon islam inshallah. in intend to contribute my western education in electronic engineering to that cuase inshallah, its a small contributiong but if many have teh same intention inshallah we can build a powerful state in the sunni blocs if they cooperate together

[U2DnBGFE]

1. every nation will fall evan usa
2. i wish all arab states unite and make one big republic

just just arabs, all sunni governments inshallah

i believe the GCC is the best vehicle for this inshAllah:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coopera...es_of_the_Gulf

[U2DnBGFE]

according to the knowledge allah has given me these calamities that have befallen us were allahs punishments, as the muslims have left islam and have been indulging in mass scale sins. when muslims start to commits sins their iman starts to become destroyed, allah causes everyting to become negative and calamities befall muslims. these calamites are just punishments from allah. these wars that have happened are simply allahs punishments thats all.

agreed. our situation was just teh means which Allah used to put is divine will upon us for our pathetic state. now teh ummah is being sifted out of the rubbish and inshallah a powerful ummah will emmerge in teh next 20 years and all teh straglers and secularist wil be gone and good by to bad rubbish

[pharweqto]

the west is still uncivilised in terms of way of life, but your right they have succeeded in imperial aims such as trade and military and technology and thats why thwy managed to over power us (accompanied by teh fact that Allah didnt will honour for us due to our pathetic state).

we need to regroup and get ourselves back togetehr. we cant aim for little statelets with AK-47's as we'll get invaded over and over. we need strong nation states built upon islam inshallah. in intend to contribute my western education in electronic engineering to that cuase inshallah, its a small contributiong but if many have teh same intention inshallah we can build a powerful state in the sunni blocs if they cooperate together

We can all contribute something one way or another. I'm a Fighter Pilot, and off course I'm willing to give for the ummah as much as I can. The bad thing is the opportunities never arise for us, from a political thought, war is disastrous against the west if we fought it now. And from my personal view, I'm itching to fight.

PS: I replied to every post made before this, however I accidentally deleted everything, felt too lazy to rewrite everything. :P

[U2DnBGFE]

We can all contribute something one way or another. I'm a Fighter Pilot, and off course I'm willing to give for the ummah as much as I can. The bad thing is the opportunities never arise for us, from a political thought, war is disastrous against the west if we fought it now. And from my personal view, I'm itching to fight.

PS: I replied to every post made before this, however I accidentally deleted everything, felt too lazy to rewrite everything. :P

we're too weak to fight now. i would suggest training 500 other fighter pilots would be a far better use of your skills in the current situation. the time to utilise it is not now definitely. think of this time frame as the time frame during the treaty of hudaybia, unfavourable circumstances and needing some peace time to regroup and stregnthen inshallah

[U2DnBGFE]

pls repost after some time to refresh urself as im interested to hear ur replies inshallah

[pharweqto]

we're too weak to fight now. i would suggest training 500 other fighter pilots would be a far better use of your skills in the current situation. the time to utilise it is not now definitely. think of this time frame as the time frame during the treaty of hudaybia, unfavourable circumstances and needing some peace time to regroup and stregnthen inshallah

We don't need weapons nor soldier at this time. Look at the history of Islamic battles. 3000 Muslim soldiers annihilated 200,000 Persians at Qaddisiah. 300 Muslim soldiers routed 900 Quraish men in Badr. We don't' need weapons now. What we need is settling our own internal differences, like Shia-Sunni conflicts in Bahrain. And stabilizing our countries... increasing our manufacturing while being resourceful, trying to be self-dependent. After we've done all that, perhaps it would be a good time to start MAKING our own weapons. If we succeed in all this, maybe things would be brighter for us as a nation.