[pKgGpUlF]

You claim that god is the most merciful and forgiving is this really true? Why are there somany crimes in the world and injustice? Why do people go through somuch hardship and never get anywhere? I am not a muslim and nor am I here to slate your religion. Islam is the biggest religion in the world from what I understand so I thought i'd check out your views. Personally I gave up in belief along time ago. Actually I don't even know what I believe I just think I don't want to.

[quottrethew]

Everyone in this world goes through one calamity or another.
For me the following book has been an exceptional source of comfort and solace in times of distress.

The Object of Testing the Lovers of Allah Ta’ala

By means of such tests, Allah Ta’ala wishes to record in history
the fidelity of His lovers to show the rest of humanity what the
definition of patience, fortitude of trustworthiness is. He is, through
such servants of His, teaching the lessons on love, He is establishing
their workshops of worthiness. He is revealing to us the true meaning
of the concepts of Sabr (patience) which they not only display as a
formal, a forced acceptance of a situation they cannot change, but as
the true ability to pleasantly and totally submit to His Pleasure in every
circumstance of difficulty which He immerses them in. Even if they are
reposing in a state of ease and comfort, of enjoyment and ecstasy, they
never, but never become oblivious of Him. They never become
attached to the creation in a manner whereby they become heedless of
the Creator. From this explanation, it has become evident that, with
reference to Allah Ta’ala, one cannot apply the concept of ‘putting to
trial and test’ that is applicable to servants. We, as His servants, resort
to different means for testing each other’s capabilities. Allah Ta’ala, on
the other hand, is totally independent of all such means, for minus
means He is Fully Aware of our every state and our innermost secrets.

http://www.khanqah.org/books/show/pa...n-of-siddiqeen

[DoctorDulitlBest]

You claim that god is the most merciful and forgiving is this really true? Why are there somany crimes in the world and injustice? Why do people go through somuch hardship and never get anywhere? I am not a muslim and nor am I here to slate your religion. Islam is the biggest religion in the world from what I understand so I thought i'd check out your views. Personally I gave up in belief along time ago. Actually I don't even know what I believe I just think I don't want to.

Welcome to the forums brother.
We as Muslims believe this world is just temporary. The permanent life is of that of Here After. Whatever trails and tribulations one experiences in this world will become a reason for Sins to be forgiven. Also Allah mentions in the Quran : “Verily, with hardship there is relief” (Qur’an 94:6).

P.s. Don't forget to change the setting from 'hanafi' to Not Muslim. It will be easier for others to answer your queries.

[T1ivuQGS]

You claim that god is the most merciful and forgiving is this really true? Why are there somany crimes in the world and injustice? Why do people go through somuch hardship and never get anywhere? I am not a muslim and nor am I here to slate your religion. Islam is the biggest religion in the world from what I understand so I thought i'd check out your views. Personally I gave up in belief along time ago. Actually I don't even know what I believe I just think I don't want to.

there are so many crimes, injustice and hardships in the world not because of Allah, but because of mankind turning away from Allah.

if mankind were to turn to Allah and live their private and public life according to the guidance of Allah then the whole world would be at peace and there would be no crimes, injustices and hardship.

indeed in the islamic teachings we have been taught that a time will come when Jesus (as) will return and the only people on the earth will be those who are mindful of Allah and His injunctions. in this age there will be so much peace and blessings throughout the world that the dangerous wild animals will play with the children as if they are domesticated pets and there will be such an abundance of food and drink that no one will be in need.

[quottrethew]

Salamun ala manithaba al huda! (peace on those who follow the guidance!)

Maybe the following example will help you understand.
Imagine the type of wife you would want. For most of us, it would be the wife who sticks with us through thick and thin, through good times and bad times. It is not the wife that sticks with you when you have a job, money, and are healthy, but leaves you when you lose your job or your health deteriorates.

Do you agree that this is the type of wife you would want, the one who sticks with you in good and bad times? Would you also agree that you only find out how much your wife sincerely loves you when you face problems in life and she remains by your side?

Similarly, God wants servants that glorify Him, praise Him, and worship Him in both times of ease and difficulty. Although God knows how loyal you are to Him, but as my last post points out, God puts people through tests and trials "to record in history the fidelity of His lovers to show the rest of humanity what the definition of patience, fortitude of trustworthiness is."

If you want that ideal wife of yours who sticks with you in times of difficulty, then it should not be too difficult for you to extrapolate this to the ideal servant that God wants. The ideal servant bears all that comes from his God with patience.

Another point, if people who believed in God and worshiped Him were given a perfect life in this world such that they had no difficulties or misfortunes, then most people would believe in God ONLY to avoid difficulties and misfortunes in this world. Therefore, to separate the wheat from the chaff, God has created a system in this world that tests people, good or bad.

I hope this helps you to understand why we all go through difficulties and misfortunes. God is the most merciful and because of this, he will reward you tremendously for your patience in the next life. However, the system of difficulty and misfortunes has to be there to be fair to those who sincerely love God and display their loyalty in times of difficulties and misfortunes.

[pKgGpUlF]

If this is all true then I must be going to heaven. I mean if I were to commit suicide then would god understand the reasons? If he knows the the innermost secrets then he must understand that from where I am now there is not much left. And yes suicide is something very serious and i'm taking it seriously. It is the reason that i'm here to make sure there is no avenue which I have not exhausted. I have been thinking for a long time doing it, even so the the point I have sourced the ingredients to make cyanide. I'm not a stupid kid with girlfriend issues so don't get me wrong I was a chemist so I know all the risks involved and what I am doing. I wanted to speak to someone for ages but never had anyone and an internet forum is the only place I could think of.

Everyone goes through hardships like you said but if in the end you do not have a purpose then what's the point anyway? They say god closes one door but opens ten. I had ten doors but now have none.

[pKgGpUlF]

Salamun ala manithaba al huda! (peace on those who follow the guidance!)

Maybe the following example will help you understand.
Imagine the type of wife you would want. For most of us, it would be the wife who sticks with us through thick and thin, through good times and bad times. It is not the wife that sticks with you when you have a job, money, and are healthy, but leaves you when you lose your job or your health deteriorates.

Do you agree that this is the type of wife you would want, the one who sticks with you in good and bad times? Would you also agree that you only find out how much your wife sincerely loves you when you face problems in life and she remains by your side?

Similarly, God wants servants that glorify Him, praise Him, and worship Him in both times of ease and difficulty. Although God knows how loyal you are to Him, but as my last post points out, God puts people through tests and trials "to record in history the fidelity of His lovers to show the rest of humanity what the definition of patience, fortitude of trustworthiness is."

If you want that ideal wife of yours who sticks with you in times of difficulty, then it should not be too difficult for you to extrapolate this to the ideal servant that God wants. The ideal servant bears all that comes from his God with patience.

Another point, if people who believed in God and worshiped Him were given a perfect life in this world such that they had no difficulties or misfortunes, then most people would believe in God ONLY to avoid difficulties and misfortunes in this world. Therefore, to separate the wheat from the chaff, God has created a system in this world that tests people, good or bad.

I hope this helps you to understand why we all go through difficulties and misfortunes. God is the most merciful and because of this, he will reward you tremendously for your patience in the next life. However, the system of difficulty and misfortunes has to be there to be fair to those who sincerely love God and display their loyalty in times of difficulties and misfortunes.

Marriage? wife? They don't exist for me. I used to believe in one god and did my best to be just and fair. Never harm or destory anyone. I am 24 and for 24 yrs I tried my best. How long can someone go before they will crack? before they give up? No one has infinite will power. I used to wake up everyday thinking today is the day when things will get better but they never did. You eventually give up. Through the hardships there should be some sort of light to show you yes that god is on our side, but nothing? Come on how is someone meant to go on?

[patrycjakolekk]

The problem of evil (as it is commonly known) is replied to irrefutably here: http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/?page_id=83

And think about it- if I prove to you right now that God exists, saying that 'why does God allow suffering?' does not refute my proof. In fact, all it does is prove that God exists AND suffering exists and if you do not understand why suffering exists, it does not logically follow to disbelieve in God as many atheists do. Please continue to ask questions and hopefully, people more knowledgeable than I will respond

[theonsushv]

Hi, I don't know you and I have no idea if your post is serious, just trolling or joking. However, if it is real and you made this question, then you are looking for certain answers.

I am not a member of this forum, I lurk once in a while every few years but have never joined until now. Just to answer your post.

If you are contemplating such action, you are seriously depressed and need proper advice and support. I have no idea what kind of life you have had-but, at the age of 24 you have plenty of time to turn it around.

If you live in the West you have certain avenues of support not available in other parts of the world. If you are clinically depressed, nothing much will make sense and you need to tackle that depression and state of mind before anything does start to make sense. I have been through various trials in the past and often felt like giving up on life during those times, but that is a FINAL decision from which there is no coming back.


Life isn't a game, no matter how many people seem to paint it as such, and simply quitting isn't really the answer. It can seem extrememly unjust and unfair when you have been subjected to more than most or especially those you knew, but you have to change your mindset. Good luck.

[quottrethew]

Yes. This is all true and you would be going to heaven if you bear all the trials and difficulties in this life with patience. Committing suicide after you have suffered all the difficulties and survived through it is like correctly answering all the exam questions but never submitting your answers for grading. Don't commit suicide and waste what you have earned.

From my own personal experience, I feel that our generation has been mislead very badly. From the time we are born, we are told that whatever we work for we will achieve. If we get the best degrees then nothing will happen to us, we will live a splendid life without any difficulties. However, as I am going through life, I see that everyone goes through difficulties. There is no such thing as a perfect life in this world. We all get hit with problems. Now the question is, can we somehow benefit from these problems? Can we somehow get something out of it.

For those who are strong willed, as people used to be in past generations, they get through these difficulties and come out stronger. Like the saying goes, "if it does not kill you, it only makes you stronger." Now for those who are strong willed AND have belief in God, then not only do they come out stronger psychologically, but there is tremendous reward for them in the next life.

Life is hard. You have to learn to bear difficulties. Let these difficulties become a means for you to turn toward God.

When I was going to through problems in life, I realized that the best sedative was to strengthen my belief in the next life and the reward that is promised for bearing difficulties. The stronger your belief in the next life and the rewards promised, the more you can handle.

Since you are going to through lots of difficulties, use this forum to vent your fear and anguish. Talking to other people and sharing your problem will help you to get through it. Keeping it all inside will be detrimental for your psychological health. If you don't feel comfortable sharing your problem, then please seek counseling from some professional.

[nuabuncarnigo]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Dear Brother Darknite:

Brother, no matter how many doors you imagine have closed to you, you should know that the door to Allah is open 24/7. All you have to do is ask Him to guide you.

And just yesterday or the day before, I had replied to one of the posts which will Insha-Allah show you why you should not be without hope.

Finally, I ask you watch Divine Speech Prologue 1 and Divine Prologue 2. Maybe you think your life is finished after whatever you have undergone, but maybe Allah closed those doors so that He could guide you to Him, to this Forum, to this moment.

Brother, you cannot imagine how intricately Allah has planned everything...how every breath of yours is meant to be breathed in the moment in this place...

My advice is wait...just do not be in a hurry yet to take any drastic step...just listen to this advice from a concerned sister in humanity who loves you as her brother without even knowing you.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[pKgGpUlF]

Hi, I don't know you and I have no idea if your post is serious, just trolling or joking. However, if it is real and you made this question, then you are looking for certain answers.

I am not a member of this forum, I lurk once in a while every few years but have never joined until now. Just to answer your post.

If you are contemplating such action, you are seriously depressed and need proper advice and support. I have no idea what kind of life you have had-but, at the age of 24 you have plenty of time to turn it around.

If you live in the West you have certain avenues of support not available in other parts of the world. If you are clinically depressed, nothing much will make sense and you need to tackle that depression and state of mind before anything does start to make sense. I have been through various trials in the past and often felt like giving up on life during those times, but that is a FINAL decision from which there is no coming back.


Life isn't a game, no matter how many people seem to paint it as such, and simply quitting isn't really the answer. It can seem extrememly unjust and unfair when you have been subjected to more than most or especially those you knew, but you have to change your mindset. Good luck.

I am grateful that you signed up just to say something. I didn't even know people joke about this kind of thing. I havnt made this decision up lightly it has taken me over a year to do. In that time I tried and pushed. It was the one of the hardest years I have come across. I have no benefit in trolling about something like this it's pointless.The West? I went for help I searched and begged and got nothing they just left me to die. West is bull****, there health agencies, their support agencies all bogus. They are not people. This is why I lost hope on man aswell, they are worse than animals. I've seen wild pigeons who are more faithful and caring.

[quottrethew]

Are you in the US? There lots of facilities here.

[pKgGpUlF]

Yes. This is all true and you would be going to heaven if you bear all the trials and difficulties in this life with patience. Committing suicide after you have suffered all the difficulties and survived through it is like correctly answering all the exam questions but never submitting your answers for grading. Don't commit suicide and waste what you have earned.

From my own personal experience, I feel that our generation has been mislead very badly. From the time we are born, we are told that whatever we work for we will achieve. If we get the best degrees then nothing will happen to us, we will live a splendid life without any difficulties. However, as I am going through life, I see that everyone goes through difficulties. There is no such thing as a perfect life in this world. We all get hit with problems. Now the question is, can we somehow benefit from these problems? Can we somehow get something out of it.

For those who are strong willed, as people used to be in past generations, they get through these difficulties and come out stronger. Like the saying goes, "if it does not kill you, it only makes you stronger." Now for those who are strong willed AND have belief in God, then not only do they come out stronger psychologically, but there is tremendous reward for them in the next life.

Life is hard. You have to learn to bear difficulties. Let these difficulties become a means for you to turn toward God.

When I was going to through problems in life, I realized that the best sedative was to strengthen my belief in the next life and the reward that is promised for bearing difficulties. The stronger your belief in the next life and the rewards promised, the more you can handle.

Since you are going to through lots of difficulties, use this forum to vent your fear and anguish. Talking to other people and sharing your problem will help you to get through it. Keeping it all inside will be detrimental for your psychological health. If you don't feel comfortable sharing your problem, then please seek counseling from some professional.

Thank you for the reply. I believed in god every day I looked up for hope and I think I still do I just don't have any more strength to bare more. I keep telling myself maybe this is the plan. These feelings must be here because they are meant to be. Isn't everything written out already?

[nuabuncarnigo]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Dear Brother Darknite:

Insha-Allah, you will find that we are here for you. Make use of us, brother, and keep breathing and living because I believe Insha-Allah Allah guided you to this Forum and will Insha-Allah guide you to Him as well. Keep asking us questions and sharing whatever you wish, as our Brother Omar2006 has suggested.

Thank you for coming to us, Brother.

Thanks for giving us the opportunity to be there for you, and I am proud of you for taking the step of registering onto this Forum in search of the truth.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

[quottrethew]

Here is another tradition of prophet of Islam, Sallallahu 'alaihi wa sallam

"`Ata' bin Abu Rabah reported: Ibn `Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) asked him whether he would like that he should show him a woman who is from the people of Paradise. When he replied that he certainly would, he said, "This black woman, who came to the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) and said, `I suffer from epilepsy and during fits my body is exposed, so make supplication to Allah for me.' He (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) replied: 'If you wish you endure it patiently and you be rewarded with paradise, or if you wish, I shall make supplication to Allah to cure you?' She said, 'I shall endure it.' Then she added: `But my body is exposed, so pray to Allah that it may not happen.' He (Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam)) then supplicated for her".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim].

Commentary: While continuing medical treatment, one should not ignore his prayer to Allah because both have importance and utility of their own. "
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The point of quoting this particular tradition is to point to the fact that God sometimes test people through mental conditions. In this particular tradition, the lady had epilepsy. Since you are having suicidal thoughts, maybe you also have some mental condition. In this world we are taught to adopt MEANS, i.e., medical treatment, and supplement that with prayer to God.

I think you should try and get some professional help.

[pKgGpUlF]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Dear Brother Darknite:

Brother, no matter how many doors you imagine have closed to you, you should know that the door to Allah is open 24/7. All you have to do is ask Him to guide you.

And just yesterday or the day before, I had replied to one of the posts which will Insha-Allah show you why you should not be without hope.

Finally, I ask you watch Divine Speech Prologue 1 and Divine Prologue 2. Maybe you think your life is finished after whatever you have undergone, but maybe Allah closed those doors so that He could guide you to Him, to this Forum, to this moment.

Brother, you cannot imagine how intricately Allah has planned everything...how every breath of yours is meant to be breathed in the moment in this place...

My advice is wait...just do not be in a hurry yet to take any drastic step...just listen to this advice from a concerned sister in humanity who loves you as her brother without even knowing you.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.

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[quottrethew]

Taken from another thread

The Blessings in Tribulation.

“I am amazed at the seeker of purity
When time for polishing comes
Complaints of harsh treatment
Love is a lawsuit
Without evidence, you will not win
My son, when one beats the rug
The beating is not intended against the rug
But against the dust inside the rug
My son, that harsh treatment
Is not intended against you
But against the ill qualities inside you”
- Rumi

[pKgGpUlF]

I made a reply but it said waiting for administrator to authorise. It was quite long maybe that's why?

[nuabuncarnigo]

Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem

Dear Brother Darknite:

May Allah guide you, me, and all of us to the Straight Path.

Brother, I believe new members perhaps have some restrictions placed on their postings until after 10 posts or something of that sort.

However, Brother, I wanted to return and simply tell you something that I find true in my life. Brother, I ran away from Allah most of my life due to what had happened (severe depression, bullying, etc. in my middle school years). So, I had decided I would reject the divine. I could not see any wisdom in suffering what I had suffered, but I am telling you, Brother, that today I love Allah the most. I love every moment of suffering that I underwent, and I would not change it for a million dollars or all the wealth of the world and hereafter.

Brother, after all my suffering and pain and subsequent rejection of God and living the life without including Him in my life, I was never happy. In my heart, you see, Brother, there was a God-shaped blank in which no matter how much I filled with things of this world, people of this world, and other aspects of the world, I was never fulfilled.

Only after researching other religions for my interest and studying Islam the last, and Islam so almost accidentally, did I realize the purpose of my life: To worship Allah alone without any partners.

I stopped having any hope or expectation in the world, people, and things. I became free only after I made the conscious decision to worship Allah and surrender to His will.

Everything you are facing is a test and a lesson. You are stronger than this test and the lesson in this Insha-Allah is to give your head and your heart in submission to Allah. Your true friend is only Allah, and He is the Most Merciful.

Allah does not burden a soul beyond that it can bear… (Qur’an, 2:286). Also, Brother, I leave you with this beautiful surah of the Quran, which we Muslims recite in every prayer at least 5 times a day:

In the name of God, the infinitely Compassionate and Merciful.
Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.
The Compassionate, the Merciful. Ruler on the Day of Reckoning.
You alone do we worship, and You alone do we ask for help.
Guide us on the straight path,
the path of those who have received your grace;
not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray.
(Quran 1:1-7) May Allah keep you under His protection and give you the understanding you will need to change your life and the will to accept what you cannot change.

If I have said anything that is good and true, it is from Allah, and anything other than that is my own mistake.