[patuvammnogoo]

Salaam 'aleikom,

I have read that according to all 4 madhabs its obligatory to make up prayers u did not perform.
So if did not pray for 2 years, u will need to make these prayers up.
However I read that in the Hanafi Madhab one MUST also make up the Witr prayer, because they see this as Wajib. So if I am right, according to the Hanafi Madhab u will need to make up the 5 obligatory prayers(fajr,zhur,asr,maghreb and isha) AND witr, you missed in these 2 years.
Maybe I am not correct, please tell me if im not.

My question is, do the other 3 Madhabs also say that u need to make up Witr or ONLY the 5 obligatory prayers?
Im especially interested what the view of the Shafi`i madhab is about this subject, but also what the Maliki and Hanbali madhab say.

Wa salaam.

[patuvammnogoo]

Shokran brother.
The first link was unknown to me, but I knew sunnipath already.
I searched alot on sunnipath, but I couldn't find the exact answer on my question.

[timmybrown]

salam3alaykoum

The maliki position :

Making up prayers: Should they be done in order ? by Ustadh Abdus Shakur Brooks

March 12th, 2011 by admin

Answered by Ustadh Abdus Shakur Brooks

QUESTION:

In the case of making up prayers of an extended period of time, should they be done in order (Subh, Dhuhr, Asr, Maghreb, Isha) or could they be done in such a way where you pray 5 Subh prayers after praying the current Subh (and etc.)?
ANSWER:

The first question is “how many missed prayers are considered to be a lot and how many are considered to be a few?”. The scholars of the mathab agree that four missed prayers and what is less than that is considered few. And they also agreed that six is considered a lot. As for five missed prayers, there is a difference of opinion in the mahdab concerning whether or not it is it considered to be a lot or a few.

As for the order of prayers, it is a non-conditional obligatory (wajib garu shart) to pray them in order under the condition that he does not forget or else he is exempted. The meaning of “non-conditional obligatory” here is that one will take a sin for not praying them in order, but his prayer will still be valid. The meaning of “that he does not forget” means that if a person prayed his make-up prayers without following the prescribed order, due to forgetfulness (such as praying the make-up prayer of Isha and then remembering magrib ) he will not take a sin because the general principle of fiqh is that a person is not responsible while in the state of forgetfulness. The scholars of the mathab mention that a person who is making-up a lot of prayers should start each day of make-up with Zuhr, because it was the first obligatory prayer in Islam.

Conclusion:

A person should pray the prayers in sequence, but is excused (meaning he does not take a sin) if he does otherwise. But if a person were to pray them not in order intentionally, he would take a sin although his prayer would be considered valid. According to what the scholars have mentioned it is valid if a person prayed for example, five make-up Zuhr prayers and then five Asr etc. But the question is still unclear on whether or not a person is sinful for doing such. If a person were to pray them five by five it could be said that he is praying them in order because he prayed five Zuhr prayers before the five Asr prayers, or it could be said that he is not praying them in order because after the first Zuhr he must pray the Asr. I myself have not come across or don’t remember coming across this matter explicitly so in this case it is always better and wise to take the safe route and that is to take the way in which we are sure that there will be no sin. With that in mind, it is better to pray make-up prayers without doing five of the same prayers together (or any amount more than one) but rather he should pray Zuhr first then Asr, Magrib, Isha, and then Subh. Allah knows best

http://www.al-faqih.com/?p=155

[timmybrown]

Another article of Ustadh Abdus Shakur Brooks Al Maliki :


The Minimal Amount of the Make-up Prayers Daily

March 10th, 2011 by admin
Answered by Ustadh Abdus Shakur Brooks

QUESTION:

What is the minimal amount of the make-up prayers one must do daily if he has not prayed for a few years or months?

ANSWER:

Shaikh Dardir mentions in his commentary on Mukhtasar Khalil called al-Sharh al-Kabir that it is haram to delay making up prayers; meaning it is haram not to use one’s time throughout his day to perform make up prayers except for the time needed to deal with necessities.

Shaikh al-Dasuki in his marginal commentary on al-Sharh al-Kabir commented on Shaikh Dardir’s statement“except for the time needed for necessities” saying “He means the time it takes him to work to obtain his necessary livelihood”.


Shaikh Abi al-Hasan in his famous commentary of Al-Risalah of Ibn Abi Zayd called Kifayah al-Talib comments on Ibn Abi Zayd’s statement “ What ever is easy for him(in regards to making up missed prayers)” mentioning that what Ibn Abi Zayd states here is an indication of warding off difficulty in making up prayers and that there is no set number or limit in regards to the amount of prayers but instead it is according to what he is able to do after seeking his livelihood (but he should not be negligent in regards to making them up). Furthermore he should not give up his work that is necessary to obtain his livelihood in order to make up his prayers.

Shaikh al-Adawi in his marginal notes on Kifayah al-Talib mentions that necessities are considered things that one must have of worldly needs -such as the amount of money needed to take care of his family (which includes his parents if they are poor or not wealth enough to survive on their own), as well knowledge that is obligatory on him to know.

So what is to be understood from here is that there is no set number of prayers one must make daily rather it is according to one’s ability, but one should not be negligent in performing them after dealing with his necessary livelihood.

Some of Maliki scholars mention a specific number of missed prayers a person has to pray every day in order not to be considered negligent (who in Arabic is called “مفرط”) but the opinion of Imam Malik in Al-Mudawwanah is that it is prayed according to one’s ability. Lastly a good point is mentioned in al-Taaj wa al-Ikleel written by Shaikh Muhammad bin Yusuf(798 A.H), which is a reliable commentary of Mukhtasar Khalil, that a person should not occupy himself in matters that are beyond necessity (such as taking an extra job or hours to earn some extra pocket money, or praying extra voluntary prayers) which is sinful.

http://www.al-faqih.com/?p=58

[patuvammnogoo]

Djazak allahoe gairan brother for the replies!

Could you also tell me if Witr is Wajib in the Maliki madhab? And do you need to make it up like the 5 obligatory prayers if you did not perform it?

[timmybrown]

Djazak allahoe gairan brother for the replies!

Could you also tell me if Witr is Wajib in the Maliki madhab? And do you need to make it up like the 5 obligatory prayers if you did not perform it?

wa iyak akhi el karim.

No witr it is not a fard. You don't need to make up this sunna, only the five obligatory prayer.

You can also check on the mukhtassar akhdari (one of the first text to study in the maliki school)

You have the link to the book translated : http://www.muwatta.com/ebooks/englis...lish_saidy.pdf
And the audio course by Shaykh Rami Nsour : http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...dh-Rami-Nsour&

Wa ALlah oualam

[DoctorDulitlBest]

Salaam 'aleikom,

My question is, do the other 3 Madhabs also say that u need to make up Witr or ONLY the 5 obligatory prayers?
Im especially interested what the view of the Shafi`i madhab is about this subject, but also what the Maliki and Hanbali madhab say.

Wa salaam.

In Shafi' Madhab Witr is Sunnah not Wajib.

http://www.shafiifiqh.com/how-many-r...-made-in-witr/

Question:

Salams, How many rakahs are there in witr?

Answer:

Wa alaykum salam wa rahmatuLlah,

Imam Nawawi states in both Minhaj al-Talibin and Rawdah al-Talibin, that the witr prayer is sunnah. Also, the witr prayer can be performed by one rakah alone, three, five, seven, nine, or eleven, which is the maximum upon the preferred opinion of the madhhab. The second opinion in the madhhab states that its maximum number is thirteen rakah and that it is not permitted to exceed this number. If he does increase beyond the maximum number of rakah, then his witr will be invalid. It is sunnah for one who only makes three rakah that he recites in the first Surah al-Ala, in the second Surah al-Kafirun, and in the third Surah al-Ikhlas, Surah al-Falaq, and Surah al-Nas. (Mughni al-Muhtaj 1/451-52: Rawdah al-Talibin 1/328)



Allah knows best.

Answered by: Sidi Mahmud Adams

[BruceQW]

Salam

one time i was speaking to a salafi friend who told me that in their view, the witr does not hold that much importance (not obligatory), I told him that for hanafis it was obligatory...he nonetheless reassured me that he always performed witr because Imam Nawawi emphasized that it was important and said that (if he could remember correctly) Imam Nawawi refused to shake hands with people who did not offer witr.

can anyone verify this?

[anaisdannyxys]

As salamu alaikum
I only know really from a Hanafi perspective, that 3 raka'at of Witr after Isha'a fardh (or as part of Isha'a) is wajib.

Living in the West and being the only Muslim in my family and in my circle of friends, at my school, etc, it is hard for me to pray all 5 salat on time.. every few days I'd say, I have to make up a Dhuhr or Asr because of something out of my control regarding exams, or relatives. I was in hospital just a fortnight ago and was unable to pray; however, when I came home I prayed all 17 salat that I had missed (including Witr, as I'm Hanafi) as qadha.

Brother, are you also aware there is a much quicker and shorter way to make up salat? It may be helpful in your case, since I'm guessing by what you wrote that you have 2 years of namaz to catch up on. Here's the link to how to shorten it, if you didn't already know.

Good luck bro!