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I have been trying to research on how the first caliphs were chosen especially Abu Bakr but I have not been able to get a proper answer. Everyone seems to have their own answers. Please can someone provide a proper source of what actually happened. Jzk

[steansathtpos]

As Salamu 'alaykum...

In fact Allah said to Rasul Allah (SAWAS) in the Quran, Surat Al Maida 5:67 "O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people." After, Rasul Allah (SAWAS) said in Ghadir Khum, "Who from him I'm the Master, Ali (as) is his Master..." (there are much hadith) and when Imam Ali (as) was young Rasul Allah (SAWAS) said "you are the caliph after me" (in TABARI) so in fact the true Caliph after Rasul Allah (SAWAS) is Imam Ali (as).

But, when Rasul Allah (SAWAS) died, Imam Ali (as) was with him, but abu bakr, omar...make a meeting (saqifa) and abu bakr was the false caliph.

I have much proofs of it, my mail is : h e h e h e h @ hotmail .fr (without spaces)

Ma'as Salam

[FinanseMikky]

As Salamu 'alaykum...

In fact Allah said to Rasul Allah (SAWAS) in the Quran, Surat Al Maida 5:67 "O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people." After, Rasul Allah (SAWAS) said in Ghadir Khum, "Who from him I'm the Master, Ali (as) is his Master..." (there are much hadith) and when Imam Ali (as) was young Rasul Allah (SAWAS) said "you are the caliph after me" (in TABARI) so in fact the true Caliph after Rasul Allah (SAWAS) is Imam Ali (as).

But, when Rasul Allah (SAWAS) died, Imam Ali (as) was with him, but abu bakr, omar...make a meeting and abu bakr was the false caliph.

I have much proofs of it, my mail is : h e h e h e h @ hotmail .fr (without spaces)

Ma'as Salam

hahaha

remove the 'hanafi' from your madh-hab, stop doing taqiyyah and get lost!

[steansathtpos]

No I'm a shi'a ! How can I change it ?

Taqiyya is permited in Islam !

"A believer, a man from among the people of Pharaoh, who had concealed his faith, said: "Will ye slay a man because he says, 'My Lord is Allah.?- when he has indeed come to you with Clear (Signs) from your Lord? and if he be a liar, on him is (the sin of) his lie: but, if he is telling the Truth, then will fall on you something of the (calamity) of which he warns you: Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies! "

AND, this verse is for Ammar Ibn Yaser (RA) when abu jahl (l.A) want to kill him : "Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief - save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith - but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom. "

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asalamolikm
well yesterday i was discussing same topic with my friends. the base of shiaism is "history". the most authetic is quran and hadith and they dont accept it but they argue on base of islamic history which is totally tempered, altered and mold. the one example is mentioned in this thread. the simple answer do u blv quran or history. when quran says abubakar RA was at higher level than Ali ra then y dont u accept this. when this is in hadith that Prophet PBUH in his live make Abubakar RA imam then y dont u accept it. do u only accept this story of history that when Prophet PBUH was given jhusul-e-janaza and burried, Abubakaar RA and Umer RA were not there rather they were involved in making Abubakar RA chilipah. although this seems to be true but it just one side of pictiure and thus history is molded. the fact is islam was in danger. mufaqeen, murtadeen, were palnnnig to attack at madina. even there was chance of fight btw muslims bcz insar was thinking that next clipah should be from them. so one never understand if he dont have deep knowledge of the whole situation. so Hazrat Umar forced Abubakar to come forward otherwise there is chance of fitna and loss of islam. and truely its Abubakar RA who handle the situation, otherwise things are going out of control. only bcz of these issue, umar RA and Abubakar RA cant attend the last moment of burrying prophet PBUH.
secondaly, remeber its in hadith there was a person who was once is journey with abubakar ra and after that journey he said Abubakar ra that u seem to be wise person so give me some advice. he replied dont be ameer of even 2 person. later than man come to madina and see now abubakar ra are chilipah. he went and remind that matter and advice to him. he says that Abubakar RA give me so much explanation that i agreed that there was no ther option for him other to accept chilapat.
its also in hadith that Abubakar ra after making chilpah go to masjid and announced for the consective 3 days that he is not ready to accept this chilapat but all ppl say that u have to accept this.
the qst how he was made chilpah. its by islamic system of Shurah. shurah is group of knowledgeable ppl and they nomiate a person and if all other muslism accpet/ vote/ bait for him he will be selected. when Abubakar Ra was nominated, all muslism including Ali Ra accept this. and this was not by force bcz if its by force, Khalid Bin Waleed RA also have to accept. he didnot vote Abubakar RA but after 6 months he bait to Abubakar RA.
hope that clear the things insh.

[steansathtpos]

Wa 'alaykumus Salam..

It's false. Why the Shurah was without Imam Ali (as) and his companions ? Don't FORGET ! The Prophet (SAWAS) said "Who for him I'm the Master, Ali is his master" ! So first, Imam Ali (as) is the true caliph and secondly, why abu bakr, omar, othman... did't wait Imam Ali (as) and his companions (R.A) for the Shurah ?????

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Read this;
http://www.schiiten.com/backup/Ahlel...y/saqifah.html