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While talking to my relatives and friends , I have found that Satan has many ways
to keep people away from the good sufis. One frequently used trick is to highlight the examples of bad or fake sufis to justify the reason to avoid all sorts of sufis including good ones.

But , this is a lame excuse. There are many bad doctors , half-baked doctors , greedy doctors. But, still people do not stop going to doctors. Rather , they try hard to find good and honest doctors.

But, spiritual sickness does not make people concerned anymore nowadays.

Anyway , I am wondering what other excuses people use. Please share your experience.

[tearidrusydet]

there are two types of people against Sufis
1- Secular or materialistic
2- Salafis

they are spreading the videos of what happening in dagahs, mazars etc to make people think against Sufism.
Ulema tells the one who do not follow shariat cant be a sufi like gaddi nasheen sajjada nasheen etc

[ELURNSERB]

While talking to my relatives and friends , I have found that Satan has many ways
to keep people away from the good sufis. One frequently used trick is to highlight the examples of bad or fake sufis to justify the reason to avoid all sorts of sufis including good ones.

But , this is a lame excuse. There are many bad doctors , half-baked doctors , greedy doctors. But, still people do not stop going to doctors. Rather , they try hard to find good and honest doctors.

But, spiritual sickness does not make people concerned anymore nowadays.

Anyway , I am wondering what other excuses people use. Please share your experience.

does "sufis" mean moulana's?

[maniaringsq]

there are two types of people against Sufis
1- Secular or materialistic
2- Salafis

You won't find so many difference in mentality between these two categories.


Anyway, the first and foremost reason of driving people away from "good Sufi Shaykhs" is the huge quantity and deviancy of fake deviant bid'ati shirki "sufis" around: they drive people away from "real Sufis" more than all Salafis put together.

[tearidrusydet]

does "sufis" mean moulana's?

not only maulana of apparaent knowledge but scholar of spiritual treatment (Tazkia e Nafs)

[clapsoewmred]

You won't find so many difference in mentality between these two categories.

Anyway, the first and foremost reason of driving people away from "good Sufi Shaykhs" is the huge quantity and deviancy of fake deviant bid'ati shirki "sufis" around: they drive people away from "real Sufis" more than all Salafis put together.

I have found another reason that keep people away from the lovers of Allah. And this is called jealousy !! This is explained here.

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page 263-264

Ma'arif e Mathnawi By: Hazrat Maulana Shah Hakeem Muhammad Akhtar Saheb (db)

http://www.khanqah.org/books/show/en-ma-arif-e-mathnawi
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"And if along the way in search of a Murshid, jealousy should
come between you and your aim and jealousy begins to squeeze
your throat, then remember that in the field of jealousy Iblees
has made more progress than you.”

It is possible that Maulana Rumi (Rahmatullah Alaihe) might
have mentioned this thought in the gatherings of his Mureeds.
Hence, there was the danger that someone from among them
might have felt jealous of the position of Maulana Husamuddin
(Rahmatullah Alaihe). This is so because generally jealousy is
the one thing that prevents people from going to the people of
knowledge and to the saintly ones. Hence, after this Maulana
Rumi (Rahmatullah Alaihe) turns towards a discussion on
jealousy.


"It was because of jealousy that Iblees could not stand in
respect before Hazrat Adam (Alaihis Salaam),
And it was through jealousy that he opposed righteousness.
It is because of jealousy that houses are destroyed and ruined
And through it a royal falcon inspite of its qualities becomes
an ordinary crow.

Become like the dust under the feet of the men of truth
And cast dust on the head of jealousy as we have done”

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[antonyandruleit]

Assalamu alaykum

as brother umar said:
Anyway, the first and foremost reason of driving people away from "good Sufi Shaykhs" is the huge quantity and deviancy of fake deviant bid'ati shirki "sufis" around: they drive people away from "real Sufis" more than all Salafis put together.

i am into tazkiyat nafs but there is so many dodgy sufis out there im really scared of giving bayat to a sufi shaykh. if someone like muft taqi uthmani lived near me and accepted bayat i would give it to him because he is someone who adheres to the shariah and he is a faqih, someone knowledagable.

[antonyandruleit]

there are two types of people against Sufis
1- Secular or materialistic
2- Salafis

they are spreading the videos of what happening in dagahs, mazars etc to make people think against Sufism.
Ulema tells the one who do not follow shariat cant be a sufi like gaddi nasheen sajjada nasheen etc

Assalamu alaykum

even brothers i know who follow the four mathaib, tableeghi jamaat are against giving bayat to sufis.

[maniaringsq]

Assalamu alaykum

as brother umar said:
Anyway, the first and foremost reason of driving people away from "good Sufi Shaykhs" is the huge quantity and deviancy of fake deviant bid'ati shirki "sufis" around: they drive people away from "real Sufis" more than all Salafis put together.

i am into tazkiyat nafs but there is so many dodgy sufis out there im really scared of giving bayat to a sufi shaykh. if someone like muft taqi uthmani lived near me and accepted bayat i would give it to him because he is someone who adheres to the shariah and he is a faqih, someone knowledagable.

It's still worthy trying bro, it's still worthy trying.
You have to make efforts to separate the gems from the glass..

Assalamu alaykum

even brothers i know who follow the four mathaib, tableeghi jamaat are against giving bayat to sufis.

They're wrong and don't know that their own elders are in bay'ah with someone else.

[clapsoewmred]

Assalamu alaykum

as brother umar said:
Anyway, the first and foremost reason of driving people away from "good Sufi Shaykhs" is the huge quantity and deviancy of fake deviant bid'ati shirki "sufis" around: they drive people away from "real Sufis" more than all Salafis put together.

i am into tazkiyat nafs but there is so many dodgy sufis out there im really scared of giving bayat to a sufi shaykh. if someone like muft taqi uthmani lived near me and accepted bayat i would give it to him because he is someone who adheres to the shariah and he is a faqih, someone knowledagable.

This whole issue of negative portrayal of the Sufis is really quite sad and strange. But, the people who spread Islam and saved the Islamic civilization are also the Sufi people !!! Instead of praising and respecting the Sufis, the trend has become Sufi-bashing !!!

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http://khutbahbank.org.uk/2011/09/br...ional-khutbah/

There is nothing remotely new in this. Islam has always spread primarily through social interactions connected with work. The early Muslims who conquered half the world did not set up soapboxes in the town squares of Alexandria, Cordoba or Fez, in the hope that Christians would flock to them and hear their preaching. They did business with the Christians; and their nobility and integrity of conduct won the Christians over. That is the model followed by Muslims, particularly the Sufis, down the ages; and it is the one that we must retain today, by interacting honourably and respectfully with non-Muslims in our places of work, as much as we can.

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Anyway, this is an off-topic issue which is being discussed in another thread.

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ng-!!&p=555640

[antonyandruleit]

[QUOTE=seeker_ikb;670278]This whole issue of negative portrayal of the Sufis is really quite sad and strange. But, the people who spread Islam and saved the Islamic civilization are also the Sufi people !!! Instead of praising and respecting the Sufis, the trend has become Sufi-bashing !!!

Brother in islam this portrayal of the sufis is reality!! there is too many dodgy sufies, and the sad thing is the bad soofies are more popular than the good ones.
the people who saved islam and spread islam are the adherents to shariah.
look at people who take sufism over shariah, they end up as barelwis.

[clapsoewmred]

[QUOTE=Abdullah288;670281]

This whole issue of negative portrayal of the Sufis is really quite sad and strange. But, the people who spread Islam and saved the Islamic civilization are also the Sufi people !!! Instead of praising and respecting the Sufis, the trend has become Sufi-bashing !!!

Brother in islam this portrayal of the sufis is reality!! there is too many dodgy sufies, and the sad thing is the bad soofies are more popular than the good ones.
the people who saved islam and spread islam are the adherents to shariah.
look at people who take sufism over shariah, they end up as barelwis.

After observing some anti-Sufi comments from some members in Sunni forum , I have noticed a pattern. They will mention some technical
terms mentioned in the sufi literature . However , they intentionally do not mention the context or background in which those technical terms were used.

What is the effect of this satanic trick ? If an ordinary Muslim ,who is not deep into Sufism, hears those technical terms out of context , he
instantly get an impression that sufism and sufi saints are something weird. They should be avoided !!!!!

Let me give you a real life example here. If you check the comments from Quandary , you will know the problem.

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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-and-why/page3

The Greatest Shaikh [Ibn 'Arabi] writes that he once saw Allah in the form of a horse.”

“In his book, one of the great saints interprets Bismillah (In the name of Allah) to mean Bismi 'l-insani-'l kamil (In the name of the perfect human being). This interpretation met with extreme disapproval from the religious scholars of the time, so they went and asked the venerable Mawlana Jami about it. He said:

That is the interpretation of the term ism (name). It is not the interpretation of the word Allah”


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You see the trick, the whole background or context is not fully mentioned. Why is he posting half-baked information ?

[clapsoewmred]

The people who joined the anti-sufi propaganda intentionally will have to pay a heavy price. They should be advised and encouraged to read the following book.

” Consquence of Debasing Auliya ” written by a khalifa of Mawlana Zakariya (RAH) , the famous author of Fazel-e-Amal used in Tabligh Jamat.
You can easily download this valuable book from the links below.
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http://www.madania.org/index.php?opt...ions&Itemid=52

http://www.madania.org/index.php?opt...d=23&Itemid=52

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