[paydayus]

As salaamu alaikum,

I would like this inquiry to be addressed by one of the scholars on the forum please.

I recently purchased these khuffs from Al-Rashad.com (A online store that is a great benefit to the Ummah, and to me personally for many years now, Alhamdulilah)
http://www.al-rashad.com/Leather-Soc...ck_p_3753.html

I figured the non-leather portion of the khuff that can be plainly seen in the picture was made of some water-resistant material...when I received the khuff it was quickly apparent that it wasn't. I tested that part of the khuff by wetting my hand and merely letting a few drops of water fall on the non-leather portion of the khuff. The water drops were absorbed and the wetness was felt on the inside of the khuff.

I brought this to the attention of Al-Rashad, and they asked a qualified Hanafi Mufti, who said that only the sole need be leather. And this answer was repeated when I asked again if the water-resistant issue was brought. It's not clear to me that they gave him a physical example of the khuff, or just told him about them. I think we are not understanding each other. I only bring this up in public because; 1. I don't have personal access to a Mufti... and 2. these are being publicly sold as good for Masah.
I am nothing close to a scholar, but know masil on khuff and khuff-like non-leather sock well enough to know that this khuff does not meet the requirments. If some scholar on the forum would like me to send them mine, or purchase a pair themselves to test, and then contact Al-Rashad I think that would be good, inshAllah.

[paydayus]

No takers on this one?

[pokerbonuscod]

Its ok to wipe on these socks, although its not complete leather.
Allahu A'alam

[Green_Monkey23]

could a scholar answer this? the sock has to be waterproof, does it have to be water proof for the entire portion of the foot that needs to be covered. if so then we cant use this sock.

[pokerbonuscod]

It has been noticed in the images of the Khuff, that most part of it is covered with leather, however some part (i guess above the ankle) is made of some thick sock like material. Scholars have agreed to wipe on thick sock of cloth as well. And if that cloth is above the ankle then I don't think there should be a problem in wiping over that...

[Green_Monkey23]

no the material bit is below the ankle & its necessary for the sock to be water proof, if not then you can make mash over it. & if you use a tick sock then it still has to be water proof.

[paydayus]

That's right. The non-leather, non-water-resistant, portion of the of khuff goes right over top of the ankle and narrows down all the way to the bottom of the foot.

And the non-leather portion is not, I believe, what most people would consider thick. I was figuring when I purchased it that it was made of some thick water-resistant material...if you notice in my original post, I tested it, and it's not.

[Green_Monkey23]

maybe its meant for walking & not for mash

[Daruhuw]

As salaamu alaikum,

I would like this inquiry to be addressed by one of the scholars on the forum please.

I recently purchased these khuffs from Al-Rashad.com (A online store that is a great benefit to the Ummah, and to me personally for many years now, Alhamdulilah)
http://www.al-rashad.com/Leather-Soc...ck_p_3753.html

I figured the non-leather portion of the khuff that can be plainly seen in the picture was made of some water-resistant material...when I received the khuff it was quickly apparent that it wasn't. I tested that part of the khuff by wetting my hand and merely letting a few drops of water fall on the non-leather portion of the khuff. The water drops were absorbed and the wetness was felt on the inside of the khuff.

I brought this to the attention of Al-Rashad, and they asked a qualified Hanafi Mufti, who said that only the sole need be leather. And this answer was repeated when I asked again if the water-resistant issue was brought. It's not clear to me that they gave him a physical example of the khuff, or just told him about them. I think we are not understanding each other. I only bring this up in public because; 1. I don't have personal access to a Mufti... and 2. these are being publicly sold as good for Masah.
I am nothing close to a scholar, but know masil on khuff and khuff-like non-leather sock well enough to know that this khuff does not meet the requirments. If some scholar on the forum would like me to send them mine, or purchase a pair themselves to test, and then contact Al-Rashad I think that would be good, inshAllah.

Was the wetness felt immediately on the inside? Can you describe how you tested it in a little more detail?

[paydayus]

Yes. The wetness from one or two water drops from my wet hand absorbed into the material and could be felt right away.

[ëàìèíàò]

i dont think socks for masah need to be waterproof. i think the only criteria in regards to water is that the water is not felt on the skin when the masah is done.....

and masah is done with wet hands and not hands that are dripping with loads of water.

fatwa from askimam: http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...f63c93bfc377de

[paydayus]

It wasn't "loads of waters" actually, just a couple of drops...as I saw this once mentioned as means of testing a khuff or thick sock...by Mufti Husain from sunniforum, I believe.

[ëàìèíàò]

It wasn't "loads of waters" actually, just a couple of drops...as I saw this once mentioned as means of testing a khuff or thick sock...by Mufti Husain from sunniforum, I believe.

take a look at this thread. quite long but you might find your answer.

[paydayus]

Yes, alhamdulilah... I have found my answer from the time I tested them. That is...these khuffs should not be used for Masah, because the non-leather portion absorbs water even a small amount like a drop. What I was hoping by posting here is that one of the scholars, or students of knowledge, who frequent this forum would test a pair themselves and; 1. tell me I'm wrong (which I'm totally open to), or 2. If coming to the conclusion that they may not be used for masah, contact Al-Rashad and explain to them. Because they are being sold publicly as khuffs usable for masah.

Also I want to clarify again that I don't have any mistrust of Al-Rashad, just think they are mistaken here. They are a very good company, and I recommend everyone to shop there, InshAllah.

[Daruhuw]

Yes, alhamdulilah... I have found my answer from the time I tested them. That is...these khuffs should not be used for Masah, because the non-leather portion absorbs water even a small amount like a drop. What I was hoping by posting here is that one of the scholars, or students of knowledge, who frequent this forum would test a pair themselves and; 1. tell me I'm wrong (which I'm totally open to), or 2. If coming to the conclusion that they may not be used for masah, contact Al-Rashad and explain to them. Because they are being sold publicly as khuffs usable for masah.

Also I want to clarify again that I don't have any mistrust of Al-Rashad, just think they are mistaken here. They are a very good company, and I recommend everyone to shop there, InshAllah.

As far as I can tell you are completely correct. If the water is immediately felt inside the sock, I really cannot see how it can be valid to wipe over for a Hanafi. Insha Allah others will weigh in here.

[Green_Monkey23]

i dont think socks for masah need to be waterproof. i think the only criteria in regards to water is that the water is not felt on the skin when the masah is done.....

and masah is done with wet hands and not hands that are dripping with loads of water.

fatwa from askimam: http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...f63c93bfc377de

three things are important, strength, ability to keap water out, & it should be covering from the toes to above the ankles.