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OR WAS HE?

(cue dramatic music) *dun dun dun dunnnnnnn*


when i was with the akram awani's we were handed out some print outs which were supposedly meant to be from the writings of a sufi called shah nimatullah.

according to the akram awani's the writings of shah nimatullah prophesied the coming of akram awan. the akram awanis love to make a big fuss over this (just take a look at their websites to see for yourselves) as they also believe that somehow akram awan is going to play a pivotal role in the coming 'ghazwatul hind'. the akram awanis believe that they will form the major core of the army of 'ghazwatul hind'.

anyway here are scans of the print outs that were handed out to the mureeds at the time. these print outs were given to me by the akram awanis themselves.

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now the question is, is the prophecy true or is it fabricated?

I CHALLENGE THE AKRAM AWANIS TO PROVE THAT THIS WAS PROPHESIED IN THE ORIGINAL WRITINGS OF SHAH NIMATULLAH.

if they can prove this to me then i will take back everything i have said about akram awan and his group and i will give them another chance.

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even if it was prophesised, shah naimutullah wasnt a Prophet so he could have been wrong

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I would never go close to a sheikh who rides a Hummer anyways, regardless of what other dodgy stuff he comes up with

[Phlkxkbh]

I would never go close to a sheikh who rides a Hummer anyways, regardless of what other dodgy stuff he comes up with

What's wrong in Shaykh riding a Hummer? Are you trying to equate Tasawwuf with renouncing the good things of the world?

Assalaam'aaleykum!

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I would never go close to a sheikh who rides a Hummer anyways, regardless of what other dodgy stuff he comes up with

bullet-proof hummer with some animals horns fitted to the front lol.

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What's wrong in Shaykh riding a Hummer? Are you trying to equate Tasawwuf with renouncing the good things of the world?

Assalaam'aaleykum!

, no I am not trying to equate tassawuff with abandoning the good things of the world. Also buying a hummer may not be haram in the fiqhi sense, but you are looking for true Islam, not the legal definition of it, when you go looking for a sheikh. Just keep our times in mind, and you will agree then many mureeds that go to sheikhs have greed/materialism in their hearts to some extent, something they want cured. If the sheikh in question rides a Hummer, then they will halalify it for themselves in the spiritual sense and there wont be Islah. A Sheikh of tassawuff is supposed to bring you closer to Allah, not the dunya. It was in this context that a senior Mufti of my area said "these kind of shuyookh need to get their own Islah done before they start doing the Islah of others". Hope you get what I am trying to say.

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bullet-proof hummer with some animals horns fitted to the front lol.

let me check this on youtube again..

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What's wrong in Shaykh riding a Hummer? Are you trying to equate Tasawwuf with renouncing the good things of the world?

Assalaam'aaleykum!

i hope you are joking.

tassawuf is definitely about renouncing this world. its about renouncing everything, even your own self until you are completely absorbed in the love and service of Allah.

btw he also has a painted portrait of his hanging in his office. what kind of a 'man of Allah' hangs a painting of himself in his office? the painting itself is haram for a start, and we all know the hadith about the angels of mercy not going in a place where there are paintings of animate objects on the wall...

but its not just the haram aspect one should look at. it makes one think that what kind of sufi wants to put paintings of himself on the walls to show off. i thought tassawuf teaches modesty and is against riya and pride.


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let me check this on youtube again..

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jazakAllah, well those horns ruined it, there are better places for sticking your hunting trophies...

[LoloLibia]

The accusation reminds me of what Ml. Masood Azhar said when they were accused of being too worldly when mujahideen arrived in jeeps. He said: we consider these black jeeps as donkeys on which we have to sit.

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The accusation reminds me of what Ml. Masood Azhar said when they were accused of being too worldly when mujahideen arrived in jeeps. He said: we consider these black jeeps as donkeys on which we have to sit.

i have sat in them jeeps. believe me they are nothing like hummers. in fact a ford fiesta driving through the m62 on a rainy day with the heater broken is more comfortable then the jeeps used by the mujahideen. and the mujahideen need the jeeps to use them for what they were made for...ie off road driving.

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i have sat in them jeeps. believe me they are nothing like hummers. in fact a ford fiesta driving through the m62 on a rainy day with the heater broken is more comfortable then the jeeps used by the mujahideen. and the mujahideen need the jeeps to use them for what they were made for...ie off road driving.

These were were not ordinary jeeps. Big black and expensive cars driven around for lectures. Not in Afghanistan. So start accusing Jayshe Muhammad too now.

Not many groups have been missed out by your accusations. Have you spared anyone?

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These were were not ordinary jeeps. Big black and expensive cars driven around for lectures. Not in Afghanistan. So start accusing Jayshe Muhammad too now.

Not many groups have been missed out by your accusations. Have you spared anyone?

do you really want me to talk about jaish aka lashkar muhammad aka harkatul ansar aka harkatul mujahideen?

i might have already done that somewhere on the forum. do a search.

i spent some time with jaish lot in pak and afghan. got thrown into prison and tortured because of lies spread by their mufti sagheer. long story.

anyway im not going to argue with you. i was with the akram awanis for about 2 or 3 years on and off. i know what they are like and i will do what i can to expose them. but so far all i have done is pointed out that he drives a bullet proof hummer and has a painting of his hanging from his wall and i backed it up with evidence. have i said anything wrong? and how come you want to address the hummer issue but forgot about the painting? dont you have any excuses for the painting? i know what akram awans excuse is from the explanation i got from his mureeds. whats your explanation?

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The point you made was not the painting but the fact he was being driven in a hummer. The fact remains that there a LOT of scholars who are driven around in expensive cars.

So start refuting them too now. As you yourself just stated, not many are spared from your tongue.

A while ago it was Sh. Riyadh al-Haq, then its the Tablighis, then its the Sufis, then it is someone else again.

Go ahead and refute them with solid arguments from the scholars themselves, but don't come with your own personal, amateuristic arguments adding "lol" in your post again and again.

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The point you made was not the painting but the fact he was being driven in a hummer. The fact remains that there a LOT of scholars who are driven around in expensive cars.

So start refuting them too now. As you yourself just stated, not many are spared from your tongue.

A while ago it was Sh. Riyadh al-Haq, then its the Tablighis, then its the Sufis, then it is someone else again.

Go ahead and refute them with solid arguments from the scholars themselves, but don't come with your own personal, amateuristic arguments adding "lol" in your post again and again.

i brought up 2 points. one being the car and the other being the painting.

the car

i do not care one bit that other scholars may have cars which are just as expensive. scholars no matter how respected or knowledgeable DO NOT form the basis of the deen. the basis of the deen is the quran and hadith, and as we are discussing someone who claims to be a wali and a kamil shaikh of tassawuf let us look at what tassawuf means.


Khwaja Mumshad Dinwari
“Abandonment of futility is called Tasawwuf”

From, “Tasawwuf in the light of Hadith”
“Tasawwuf means to leave following your own desires.
That a person exterminates and changes his opinions and thoughts to conform to the Ridhaa (Pleasure) of Allah ta’aalaa”
That one’s love for Allah, the provider of blessings, outweighs his love for the blessings

The Rooh of Tasawwuf
Zunnun Misri says: “the basis of the entire structure of the Tareeq (the path of Tasawwuf) is in four things:

• The love of Allah. This is the first and the greatest fundamental of Tasawwuf
• Aversion for the world. This is the lowest stage
• Adherence and obedience to the Qur’an (i.e. the Shari’ah)
• The fear that one’s condition (i.e. the lofty status of Imaan) may change

Shaykh Ashraf ‘Ali Thanwi ra
“To make mujaahadah (struggle against the base desires), to strive to follow the commands of Allah, to refrain from sins is the gist of Tasawwuf” is that enough or do you want more? does a kamil shaikh who is a wali of Allah care to have a bullet proof hummer? does he care to appear on a TV program to show case himself?


the painting



Hadith -Bukhari 4:47, Narrated 'Aisha

I stuffed for the Prophet a pillow decorated with pictures (of animals) which looked like a Namruqa (i.e. a small cushion). He came and stood among the people with excitement apparent on his face. I said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is wrong?" He said, "What is this pillow?" I said, "I have prepared this pillow for you, so that you may recline on it." He said, "Don't you know that angels do not enter a house wherein there are pictures; and whoever makes a picture will be punished on the Day of Resurrection and will be asked to give life to (what he has created)?"


Hadith - Bukhari 4:448, Narrated Abu Talha

I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal)."


Hadith -Bukhari 5:338, Narrated Ibn Abbas

Abu Talha, a companion of Allah's Apostle and one of those who fought at Badr together with Allah's Apostle told me that Allah's Apostle said. "Angels do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture." He meant the images of creatures that have souls. even my kids know that it is haram to display pictures of animate objects in the house and know that it is haram to draw such pictures. alhamdolillah they NEVER draw pictures of animate objects.

and i am confident that akram awan also knows this. so using your logic about the cars, is it ok to draw and display pictures of animate objects because a man who claims to be a wali does so? why does he go against a commandment of Allah? maybe he thinks that the hadith is fabricated as he claims to confirm hadith directly with the Prophet when his soul goes to see him???


there you have it. i have done as you requested. now i would like to ask you a question. before you posted on this thread i brought up 2 points regarding akram awan. one was the car and the other was the painting. did you not see my pot about the painting or did you choose not to address it for a reason?


oh yeah, and can you address my opening post as well please. the one about akram awan being allegedly prophecised in the writings of shah nimatullah.

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Let us talk about Ghazwatul Hind. For country that was rules by Muslims for nearly a millennium my guess would be that this Ghazwah will be in the past. Why has been it pushed into future? Of course if a Ghazwah is just preceeding the appearance of Dajjal then for us it can only be in the future. It is difficult to make sense out of this part.

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Let us talk about Ghazwatul Hind. For country that was rules by Muslims for nearly a millennium my guess would be that this Ghazwah will be in the past. Why has been it pushed into future? Of course if a Ghazwah is just preceeding the appearance of Dajjal then for us it can only be in the future. It is difficult to make sense out of this part.

i have always been under the impression that ghazwatul hind will be when the black banners conquer khurasan and then come down into hind and conquer hind as well........and i think that hind also includes pakistan.

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i have always been under the impression that ghazwatul hind will be when the black banners conquer khurasan and then come down into hind and conquer hind as well........and i think that hind also includes pakistan.

What color was the banner of Muhammad bin Qasim? or Mahmud Ghaznavi or Shihabuddin Ghauri? If any of these raised the black banners, then this event would have passed???

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What color was the banner of Muhammad bin Qasim? or Mahmud Ghaznavi or Shihabuddin Ghauri? If any of these raised the black banners, then this event would have passed???

according to my knowldge ghazwatul hind is yet to come. and from it and islamic state will result. this has not happened yet.