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Old 12-22-2011, 01:34 PM   #1
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I know the question is weird. I heard on some occasions it is allowed? Can some one please help

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Old 12-22-2011, 01:38 PM   #2
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I know the question is weird. I heard on some occasions it is allowed? Can some one please help



Backbiting is allowed for six reasons. I shall copy paste them shortly.
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:55 PM   #3
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It's better to never backbite but when someone is insulting your religion and saying thing's about that then you know you still shouldn't just say, may Allah Subhanau Wa Ta'ala guide you.

And inshaAllah Allah tabarakAllah will reward you.
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:01 PM   #4
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Quoting from Umdat As Salik (Reliance of a Traveller)


PERMISSIBlE SLANDER
r2.16 Slander, though unlawful, is sometimes permissible for a lawful purpose, the legitimating factor being that there is some aim countenanced by Sacred Law that is unattainable by other means. This may be for one of six reasons.

1) REDRESSING GRIEVANCES

The first is the redress of grievances. Someone wronged may seek redress from the Islamic ruler,
judge, or others with the authority or power to help one against the person who has wronged one.
One may say, "So-and-so has wronged me," "done such and such tome,"
"took such and such of mine,
" and similar remarks.

2) ELIMINATING WRONGDOING

The second is seeking aid in righting a wrong or correcting a wrongdoer, such as by saying
to someone expected to be able to set things right, "So-and-so is doing such and such, so warn
him not to continue,"
and the like. The intention in such a case must be
to take the measures necessary to eliminate the wrong,
for if this is not one's purpose, it is unlawful.

3) ASKING FOR A LEGAL OPINION
The third is asking for a legal opinion, such as by saying to the mufti,
"My father [or "brother," or "So-and-so,"] has wronged me by doing such and such. May he do so or not?"
"How can I be rid of him," "get what is coming to me," "stop the injustice," and so forth.
Or such as saying, "My wife does such and such to me," "My husband does such and such," and the like.
This is permissible when necessary, but to be on the safe side it is best to say,
"What do you think of a man whose case is such and such," or
"a husband [or "wife"] who does such and such," and so on, since
this accomplishes one's aim without referring to particular people.
But it is nevertheless permissible to identify a particular person,
as is attested to by the hadith in which Hind said,
"O Messenger of Allah, Abu Sufyan is a stingy man ... "
and the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) did not forbid her.


4)WARNING MUSLIMS OF EVIL
The fourth reason is to warn Muslims of evil and advise them, which may take several forms, including:

(a) Impugning unreliable hadith transmitters or court witnesses, which is permissible by
consensus of all Muslims, even obligatory, because of the need for it.

(b) When a person seeks one's advice about marrying into a certain family,
entering into a partnership with someone, depositing something for safekeeping with him,
accepting such a deposit, or some other transaction with him,
it is obligatory for one to tell the person asking what one knows about the other by way of advising him.
If one can accomplish this by merely saying, "Dealing with him is of no advantage to you,"
"Marrying into the family is not in your interests," "Do not do it," and similar expressions,
then one may not elaborate on the individual's shortcomings.
But if it cannot be accomplished without explicitly mentioning the individual, one may do so.

(c) When one notices a student of Sacred Law going to learn from a teacher who is guilty of
reprehensible innovations
in religious matters (bid'a) or who is corrupt, and one
apprehends harm to the student thereby, one must advise him and explain how the teacher
really is. It is necessary in such a case that one intend to give sincere counsel. Mistakes are sometimes
made in this, as the person warning another may be motivated by envy, which the Devil has
duped him into believing is heartfelt advice and compassion, so one must beware of this.


(d) And when there is someone in a position of responsibility who is not doing the job as it
should be done, because of being unfit for it, corrupt, inattentive, or the like, one must mention
this to the person with authority over him so he can remove him and find another to do the job
properly, or be aware of how he is so as to deal with him as he should be dealt with and not be
deluded by him, to urge him to either improve or else be replaced.


5)SOMEONE UNCONCERNED WITH CONCEALING THEIR DISOBEDIENCE

A fifth reason that permits slander is when the person is making no effort to conceal his corruption
or involvement in reprehensible innovation (bid'a), such as someone who openly drinks
wine, confiscates others' property, gathers taxes uncountenanced by Sacred Law,
collects money wrongfully, or perpetrates other falsehoods, in which cases it is permissible to speak about what
he is unconcerned to conceal, but unlawful to mention his other faults unless there is some other
valid reason that permits it, of those we have discussed.

6)IDENTIFICATION
The sixth reason is to identify someone. When a person is known by a nickname such as
"the Bleary-eyed," "the Lame," "the Deaf," "the Blind," "the Cross-eyed," or similar, it is
permissible to refer to him by that name if one's intention is to identify him.
It is unlawful to do so by way of pointing out his deficiencies. And if one can identify him by some other means, it is better.

r2.23 These then, are six reasons Islamic scholars mention that permit slander in the above cases (al-Adhkar (y102), 455-69).
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Old 12-22-2011, 02:10 PM   #5
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Quoting from Umdat As Salik (Reliance of a Traveller)

4)WARNING MUSLIMS OF EVIL
The fourth reason is to warn Muslims of evil and advise them, which may take several forms, including:

(b) When a person seeks one's advice about marrying into a certain family,
entering into a partnership with someone, depositing something for safekeeping with him,
accepting such a deposit, or some other transaction with him,
it is obligatory for one to tell the person asking what one knows about the other by way of advising him.
If one can accomplish this by merely saying, "Dealing with him is of no advantage to you,"
"Marrying into the family is not in your interests," "Do not do it," and similar expressions,
then one may not elaborate on the individual's shortcomings.
But if it cannot be accomplished without explicitly mentioning the individual, one may do so.
I wanted to advise a family member who is seeking a suitable partner for her sister. really helpful
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:10 PM   #6
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Btw backbitting has a 2nd definition too it is, taking people to sin. Let me give you an example ok.. so your drinking a bottle of vodka and you invite someone to drink with you then that sin will
go to you.
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Old 12-22-2011, 04:34 PM   #7
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I wanted to advise a family member who is seeking a suitable partner for her sister. really helpful
, that is a valid excuse for backbiting, if you know about someone's bad habit, and that person is a potential spouse for a friend's sister, then make sure you let him know.
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