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**DrKirkNoliss** · 11-28-2011, 07:33 PM

Probably the most important of them all is that, he is not of the Ahla Sunnah, he propogates salafee idealogy, and a sincere student of Islam should avoid him totally, and listen to the likes of Yusuf Al Qaradawi, Taqi Usmani, Tahir ul Qadri, Habir Umar bin Hafiz, Habib Al Jibri etc. The true scholars who teach according to the Ahla Sunnah and the correct aqida.

i dont know about the other people you mentioned but tahirul qadri is just as bad as anyone else that you may think are misguiding muslims. in fact the misguidance of tahirul qadri might be worse!

**BeksTeene** · 11-28-2011, 07:34 PM

i dont know about the other people you mentioned but tahirul qadri is just as bad as anyone else that you may think are misguiding muslims. in fact the misguidance of tahirul qadri might be worse!

is taahir qadri and zakir naik salafi's?

**AdobebePhoto** · 11-28-2011, 07:43 PM

Slm,

Not to deviate too much off the topic (we already have

) does anyone know if there are any (organised) Salafees in SA?

Just to satisfy my curiosity...

**inownsuipsy** · 11-28-2011, 07:44 PM

i dont know about the other people you mentioned but tahirul qadri is just as bad as anyone else that you may think are misguiding muslims. in fact the misguidance of tahirul qadri might be worse!

Hmm, I don't know, why do you say Tahir Ul Qadri is bad? Is it because he is a sufi? If you say it's because he is a sufi, than one will have to get rid of about 60-70% of all Islamic literature ever written. But if you say that he is bad because of some opinion of his on a particular issue, let me know please. As far as I know, he is a strict follower of the Hanafi madhab, and has written many books that people benefit from. Especially the Dalail Al Barakat.

And mmb786

Zakir Naik is a salafee, he doesn't follow a madhab, he claims that Imam Abu Hanifa was ignorant in religious matters. And Tahir ul Qadri isn't a salafee, he is a strict follower of the Ahla Sunnah.

**inownsuipsy** · 11-28-2011, 07:48 PM

Salafee Salafee...What bro ?

Why you are so against of this salafees ?

Let them do what they feel correct, anyway they are following quran and sunnah only no..

Name does not prove anything what ever may be tablighi, salafi, wahabi, ahlul sunnah or ahlul hadith. The person should follow quran and sunnah correctly that is more important..

Any muslim who reads bible will not become christian and any christian who reads quran will not become muslim until ALLAH (swt) will it...

I think you are a bit naive and new to this salafee idealogy and the dangers it posseses. It hasn't done much for the ummah besides cause huge fitnahs, they call many Muslims mushrik because they follow the rulings of Imam ul Azam. Do some research on why the Ottomans lost control of the Hejaz area, see what had happened to Jannatul Baqi, the hisorical sites of Mecca and Medina. Don't be fooled by their only Qur'an and Sunnah thing. Imam ul Azam was the strictest follower of Qur'an and Sunnah, yet they claim to be more knowledgeable than him, although they know that Imam ul Azam was one of the tabi'in.

**BeksTeene** · 11-28-2011, 07:56 PM

Slm,

Not to deviate too much off the topic (we already have ) does anyone know if there are any (organised) Salafees in SA?

Just to satisfy my curiosity...

There are quite a few salafi's in S.A. dunno what you mean by organized salafi's.

**AdobebePhoto** · 11-28-2011, 08:03 PM

There are quite a few salafi's in S.A. dunno what you mean by organized salafi's.

Jzk. I have only come accross one in my life (in Cape Town.) 'Organised' as in not random individuals (I mean for example organised groups like TJ, Murabituns etc.)

**DrKirkNoliss** · 11-28-2011, 08:26 PM

Hmm, I don't know, why do you say Tahir Ul Qadri is bad? Is it because he is a sufi?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JigHvgTKsE

**BeksTeene** · 11-28-2011, 09:47 PM

Jzk. I have only come accross one in my life (in Cape Town.) 'Organised' as in not random individuals (I mean for example organised groups like TJ, Murabituns etc.)

Don't really know much about their organizations/movements etc. But you can always google it.

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:02 PM

I think you are a bit naive and new to this salafee idealogy and the dangers it posseses.

No I am not new all salafee are good peoples as per my knowledge.

It hasn't done much for the ummah besides cause huge fitnahs, they call many Muslims mushrik because they follow the rulings of Imam ul Azam. Can you prove me ?

Do some research on why the Ottomans lost control of the Hejaz area, see what had happened to Jannatul Baqi, the hisorical sites of Mecca and Medina. Think this is a difficult task, can you provide me with link's?

Don't be fooled by their only Qur'an and Sunnah thing. Ok brother i am not a foolish person to get fooled i will surely remember your words..

Imam ul Azam was the strictest follower of Qur'an and Sunnah, yet they claim to be more knowledgeable than him, although they know that Imam ul Azam was one of the tabi'in. Can you prove me also this ?

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:08 PM

what if a person does not have sufficient knowledge to filter the good from the bad?

Wa laikum as salam.
Most of them does not have that much of the sufficient knowledge to filter the good from the bad.

Already i created thread about how to judge hadith weather it is true of false and i received the reply from my islamic brothers in this website that solution is of going to aalim course of 10 to 15 years...

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:09 PM

Hmmm. Why...?

Because always i have noted some people targeting only salafees in this website...

**DrKirkNoliss** · 11-28-2011, 10:20 PM

Wa laikum as salam.
Most of them does not have that much of the sufficient knowledge to filter the good from the bad.

Already i created thread about how to judge hadith weather it is true of false and i received the reply from my islamic brothers in this website that solution is of going to aalim course of 10 to 15 years...

i dont think you get me bro.

you said one should take the good and leave the bad. but what does a person do when he does not have the capacity to differentiate between the good and the bad. what does a person do then?

**DrKirkNoliss** · 11-28-2011, 10:21 PM

Because always i have noted some people targeting only salafees in this website...

we target barelwis as well.....

**BeksTeene** · 11-28-2011, 10:22 PM

Because always i have noted some people targeting only salafees in this website...

are you salafi?

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:30 PM

i dont think you get me bro.

you said one should take the good and leave the bad. but what does a person do when he does not have the capacity to differentiate between the good and the bad. what does a person do then?

As a senior what do you suggest what he should do ?

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:31 PM

are you salafi?

Salafi means those who follow salaf right ?

At that point of view i am glad to say i am salafi..

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:32 PM

we target barelwis as well.....

Okay no problem you can carry on bro..

Until we target someone we can't filter truth..

**BeksTeene** · 11-28-2011, 10:35 PM

Salafi means those who follow salaf right ?

At that point of view i am glad to say i am salafi..

oh okay, were you always salafi? if not what made you decide to be a salafi...?

Was it Pride? that you know how to interpret the qur'aan and hadeeth better than the four imaams did?

This is a genuine question i'm interested in. plz dont take offence.

**Maserati** · 11-28-2011, 10:42 PM

oh okay, were you always salafi? if not what made you decide to be a salafi...?

Truthfulness of talk.

Pride? that you know how to interpret the qur'aan and hadeeth better than the four imaams did? No i respect all four imams.. I respect there opinions..

This is a genuine question i'm interested in. plz dont take offence. Ok bro no prob..

11-28-2011, 07:33 PM	#21
DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Probably the most important of them all is that, he is not of the Ahla Sunnah, he propogates salafee idealogy, and a sincere student of Islam should avoid him totally, and listen to the likes of Yusuf Al Qaradawi, Taqi Usmani, Tahir ul Qadri, Habir Umar bin Hafiz, Habib Al Jibri etc. The true scholars who teach according to the Ahla Sunnah and the correct aqida. i dont know about the other people you mentioned but tahirul qadri is just as bad as anyone else that you may think are misguiding muslims. in fact the misguidance of tahirul qadri might be worse! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 07:34 PM	#22
BeksTeene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	i dont know about the other people you mentioned but tahirul qadri is just as bad as anyone else that you may think are misguiding muslims. in fact the misguidance of tahirul qadri might be worse! is taahir qadri and zakir naik salafi's? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 07:43 PM	#23
AdobebePhoto Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	Slm, Not to deviate too much off the topic (we already have ) does anyone know if there are any (organised) Salafees in SA? Just to satisfy my curiosity... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 07:44 PM	#24
inownsuipsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	i dont know about the other people you mentioned but tahirul qadri is just as bad as anyone else that you may think are misguiding muslims. in fact the misguidance of tahirul qadri might be worse! Hmm, I don't know, why do you say Tahir Ul Qadri is bad? Is it because he is a sufi? If you say it's because he is a sufi, than one will have to get rid of about 60-70% of all Islamic literature ever written. But if you say that he is bad because of some opinion of his on a particular issue, let me know please. As far as I know, he is a strict follower of the Hanafi madhab, and has written many books that people benefit from. Especially the Dalail Al Barakat. And mmb786 Zakir Naik is a salafee, he doesn't follow a madhab, he claims that Imam Abu Hanifa was ignorant in religious matters. And Tahir ul Qadri isn't a salafee, he is a strict follower of the Ahla Sunnah. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 07:48 PM	#25
inownsuipsy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Salafee Salafee...What bro ? Why you are so against of this salafees ? Let them do what they feel correct, anyway they are following quran and sunnah only no.. Name does not prove anything what ever may be tablighi, salafi, wahabi, ahlul sunnah or ahlul hadith. The person should follow quran and sunnah correctly that is more important.. Any muslim who reads bible will not become christian and any christian who reads quran will not become muslim until ALLAH (swt) will it... I think you are a bit naive and new to this salafee idealogy and the dangers it posseses. It hasn't done much for the ummah besides cause huge fitnahs, they call many Muslims mushrik because they follow the rulings of Imam ul Azam. Do some research on why the Ottomans lost control of the Hejaz area, see what had happened to Jannatul Baqi, the hisorical sites of Mecca and Medina. Don't be fooled by their only Qur'an and Sunnah thing. Imam ul Azam was the strictest follower of Qur'an and Sunnah, yet they claim to be more knowledgeable than him, although they know that Imam ul Azam was one of the tabi'in. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 07:56 PM	#26
BeksTeene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Slm, Not to deviate too much off the topic (we already have ) does anyone know if there are any (organised) Salafees in SA? Just to satisfy my curiosity... There are quite a few salafi's in S.A. dunno what you mean by organized salafi's. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 08:03 PM	#27
AdobebePhoto Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	There are quite a few salafi's in S.A. dunno what you mean by organized salafi's. Jzk. I have only come accross one in my life (in Cape Town.) 'Organised' as in not random individuals (I mean for example organised groups like TJ, Murabituns etc.) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 08:26 PM	#28
DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Hmm, I don't know, why do you say Tahir Ul Qadri is bad? Is it because he is a sufi? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JigHvgTKsE Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 09:47 PM	#29
BeksTeene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Jzk. I have only come accross one in my life (in Cape Town.) 'Organised' as in not random individuals (I mean for example organised groups like TJ, Murabituns etc.) Don't really know much about their organizations/movements etc. But you can always google it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:02 PM	#30
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	I think you are a bit naive and new to this salafee idealogy and the dangers it posseses. No I am not new all salafee are good peoples as per my knowledge. It hasn't done much for the ummah besides cause huge fitnahs, they call many Muslims mushrik because they follow the rulings of Imam ul Azam. Can you prove me ? Do some research on why the Ottomans lost control of the Hejaz area, see what had happened to Jannatul Baqi, the hisorical sites of Mecca and Medina. Think this is a difficult task, can you provide me with link's? Don't be fooled by their only Qur'an and Sunnah thing. Ok brother i am not a foolish person to get fooled i will surely remember your words.. Imam ul Azam was the strictest follower of Qur'an and Sunnah, yet they claim to be more knowledgeable than him, although they know that Imam ul Azam was one of the tabi'in. Can you prove me also this ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:08 PM	#31
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	what if a person does not have sufficient knowledge to filter the good from the bad? Wa laikum as salam. Most of them does not have that much of the sufficient knowledge to filter the good from the bad. Already i created thread about how to judge hadith weather it is true of false and i received the reply from my islamic brothers in this website that solution is of going to aalim course of 10 to 15 years... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:09 PM	#32
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Hmmm. Why...? Because always i have noted some people targeting only salafees in this website... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:20 PM	#33
DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Wa laikum as salam. Most of them does not have that much of the sufficient knowledge to filter the good from the bad. Already i created thread about how to judge hadith weather it is true of false and i received the reply from my islamic brothers in this website that solution is of going to aalim course of 10 to 15 years... i dont think you get me bro. you said one should take the good and leave the bad. but what does a person do when he does not have the capacity to differentiate between the good and the bad. what does a person do then? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:21 PM	#34
DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	Because always i have noted some people targeting only salafees in this website... we target barelwis as well..... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:22 PM	#35
BeksTeene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Because always i have noted some people targeting only salafees in this website... are you salafi? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:30 PM	#36
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	i dont think you get me bro. you said one should take the good and leave the bad. but what does a person do when he does not have the capacity to differentiate between the good and the bad. what does a person do then? As a senior what do you suggest what he should do ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:31 PM	#37
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	are you salafi? Salafi means those who follow salaf right ? At that point of view i am glad to say i am salafi.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:32 PM	#38
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	we target barelwis as well..... Okay no problem you can carry on bro.. Until we target someone we can't filter truth.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:35 PM	#39
BeksTeene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Salafi means those who follow salaf right ? At that point of view i am glad to say i am salafi.. oh okay, were you always salafi? if not what made you decide to be a salafi...? Was it Pride? that you know how to interpret the qur'aan and hadeeth better than the four imaams did? This is a genuine question i'm interested in. plz dont take offence. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-28-2011, 10:42 PM	#40
Maserati Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	oh okay, were you always salafi? if not what made you decide to be a salafi...? Truthfulness of talk. Pride? that you know how to interpret the qur'aan and hadeeth better than the four imaams did? No i respect all four imams.. I respect there opinions.. This is a genuine question i'm interested in. plz dont take offence. Ok bro no prob.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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