[Anckzxik]

The Saudi Syndrome and the "Are you Muslim?" question:

http://drabutamim.blogspot.com/2011/...ou-muslim.html

[oranowdenda]

and there are too many indopakians who believe that every arab is the embodiment of the islamic faith and are the best of muslims

[Caregrasy]

Man this is not a saudi syndrome it is an arab thing. Many of them think they have a monopoly on islam. Many of them resent the fact that a non-arab can be more religious than them.

[gettoblaster]

Very true topic. Our Deobandi Ulama had to strive a lot to make them concerned about the depth of Ilm they acquired.

(Btw, if it is Saudi attitude about non Arab, then what will happen to me? I'm trying to migrate there!)

[phsyalcvqh]

and there are too many indopakians who believe that every arab is the embodiment of the islamic faith and are the best of muslims

Very true. In many Masajid in Dubai and elsewhere, when there is a 2nd Jamaah after the main one, often if there are Desis, they are afraid to lead the prayer, in one case, a clean shaven young Arab with spiked hair was asked to lead the prayers ahead of Sunnah-Bearded middle aged Desi brothers, because they were afraid of leading prayers ahead of an Arab.

[MadMark]

There are Saliheen (righteous) in every community. Instead of focusing on the bad deed, here a whole Nation is being painted with a single broad brush. Which is not fit for us to do. Please stop stereotyping a whole Nation.





Why - when you (O believers) heard of it - did the believing men
and the believing women not think well on their own selves and
(why did they not) say, 'This is a manifest lie'. - (Quran Surah An-Noor 24:12)

The Tafseer for this ayah thats given in Ma'ariful Quran:


In this verse quite a few things need attention. In the first place the Holy Qur'an
as hinted by the word بِأَنفُسِهِمْ (on their own selves)
that if a Muslim defames and disgraces another Muslim, he in fact disgraces himself,
because the relationship of Islam has brought them all together as one body.

All these verses point toward one theme, that a Muslim who casts aspersion on another Muslim or
causes oppression and harm to another Muslim, he in fact casts aspersion and causes harm to himself,
because it leads to defamation of the whole Muslim Ummah.

[MadMark]

@
The Saudi Syndrome and the "Are you Muslim?" question.

Brother *** is a Konkani Muslim. He stayed for some years in Saudi Arabia. A devout Muslim, he used to work in a shop. Once an Arab, typically clean shaven and dressed in Western attire walked into the shop. The Indian brother was dressed in a thawb with a headcovering and a Sunna beard upto his chest. In the course of the conversation, the Saudi understood that the brother is not Arab. Then the conversation went something like this:
Saudi: Are you Muslim?
Indian: Are YOU Muslim?
Saudi: Hey! Why are you asking ME that?
Indian: Why are you asking me whether I am Muslim? I am wearing a thawb, my head is covered and my beard is as per the Sunna. You on the other hand look like a Yahoodi.
Saudi exits quickly from shop. 'Saudi syndrome' is a misnomer. There are Millions of Muslim youth in Indo-Pak whose sole aim is to live the American dream. I bet we asians donning the same above mentioned'typically clean shaven and dressed in Western attire' will ask a recently converted white American 'Are YOU a Muslim?'. The same question. So please stop bashing a whole nation on an issue that is present everywhere.

[55TRATTERENRY]

There are Millions of Muslim youth in Indo-Pak whose sole aim is to live the American dream. I bet we asians donning the same above mentioned'typically clean shaven and dressed in Western attire' will ask a recently converted white American 'Are YOU a Muslim?'. The same question. So please stop bashing a whole nation on an issue that is present everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQkEO...e_gdata_player

[sandyphoebetvmaa]

Having spent a bit of time in Pakistan and the Middle East, one thing I noticed is that more Arabs pray 5 times a day than Desis. Some 'ulama (a minority) are of the opinion that not praying is kufr, and the rest still maintain that it is amongst the worst possible sins that a person can commit, so that it is that is far more important than bearded to non-bearded ratios.

[Valdoyes]

There is good and bad in every race or religion. Do not make assumptions based on your narrow minded thoughts

I am not Arab and 95 percent of my family accepted islam and reverted to the truth. My recitation of the Quran is not
very good however Allah mashallah has allowed me to memorize a fair amout, I remember leading salat with my poor skills and reciting a rather long passage. I found that my friends had started to get very emotional and leave, originally I
thought because I has horrible pronunciation however it was because of the effort I put forth to learn Quran.

They were all Arab

[55TRATTERENRY]

There is good and bad in every race or religion. Do not make assumptions based on your narrow minded thoughts

I am not Arab and 95 percent of my family accepted islam and reverted to the truth. My recitation of the Quran is not
very good however Allah mashallah has allowed me to memorize a fair amout, I remember leading salat with my poor skills and reciting a rather long passage. I found that my friends had started to get very emotional and leave, originally I
thought because I has horrible pronunciation however it was because of the effort I put forth to learn Quran.

They were all Arab

Assalamualaikum Warahmatullah Wabarakatuh

Pray for me Allah give me Alim, Amal, stability over Deen.

Yes you are right, I didn't find anyone more emotional than Arabs.

[Valdoyes]

May Allah swt forgive our sins and forgive us for our arrogance and pride.

Inshallah one day we will love and respect each other as it should be

[JohnfAclambrJA]

@
The Saudi Syndrome and the "Are you Muslim?" question.



'Saudi syndrome' is a misnomer. There are Millions of Muslim youth in Indo-Pak whose sole aim is to live the American dream. I bet we asians donning the same above mentioned'typically clean shaven and dressed in Western attire' will ask a recently converted white American 'Are YOU a Muslim?'. The same question. So please stop bashing a whole nation on an issue that is present everywhere.

Very true ! Arabs as a whole,loves Muslims from everywhere,they have an inherent and spontaneous respect for Muslims,they might have some curosities in their mind,they might even ask some odd questions,but in the end when they know you ARE a Muslim,they give you due respect and additional credit for having eeman,and as is said earlier on this thread,you may find good and bad people in every nation,so nothing should be specified to Saudi,s or other arabs.
In my view,even if we find something bad in Arabs,we should try to do Islah,but not speak against Arabs in general on public Forums.Some how i find it very painful to see comments against them,the nation where Rasoolullah sallallaho Alaihe wa sallam was born,whose language is the language of Quran ,and the language of Janna,Whose forefathers took great pains to spread Islam to the rest of the world,.....and in future,inshaAllah who will be leading us again towards the Final victory of Islam over Kufr,under the leadership of AL MAHDI.

[Anckzxik]

There are Saliheen (righteous) in every community. Instead of focusing on the bad deed, here a whole Nation is being painted with a single broad brush. Which is not fit for us to do. Please stop stereotyping a whole Nation.





Why - when you (O believers) heard of it - did the believing men
and the believing women not think well on their own selves and
(why did they not) say, 'This is a manifest lie'. - (Quran Surah An-Noor 24:12)

The Tafseer for this ayah thats given in Ma'ariful Quran:


In this verse quite a few things need attention. In the first place the Holy Qur'an
as hinted by the word بِأَنفُسِهِمْ (on their own selves)
that if a Muslim defames and disgraces another Muslim, he in fact disgraces himself,
because the relationship of Islam has brought them all together as one body.

All these verses point toward one theme, that a Muslim who casts aspersion on another Muslim or
causes oppression and harm to another Muslim, he in fact casts aspersion and causes harm to himself,
because it leads to defamation of the whole Muslim Ummah.

It would be better to read the post properly and understand the underlying intention and style of criticism before commenting. After all the word, "Saudi syndrome" has been used by the Saudi brother himself. Secondly, no can deny the regionalism and Arabism that permeates Saudi society today except for a few. Pushing it under the rug is not the same as defending the honour of a fellow Muslim.

[Anckzxik]

There is good and bad in every race or religion. Do not make assumptions based on your narrow minded thoughts

I am not Arab and 95 percent of my family accepted islam and reverted to the truth. My recitation of the Quran is not
very good however Allah mashallah has allowed me to memorize a fair amout, I remember leading salat with my poor skills and reciting a rather long passage. I found that my friends had started to get very emotional and leave, originally I
thought because I has horrible pronunciation however it was because of the effort I put forth to learn Quran.

They were all Arab

However emotional you get in your Salah, why would you up and leave? You have the option of crying in prayers but not breaking your prayers and walking away. Emotionalism seems to be an excuse that can get us anywhere.

[55TRATTERENRY]

However emotional you get in your Salah, why would you up and leave? You have the option of crying in prayers but not breaking your prayers and walking away. Emotionalism seems to be an excuse that can get us anywhere.

Probably they were not able to stand in Salah b/c of there emotions. e.g. listen the Imam Ka'ba, esp. at 1:40:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gXCUVkpxyQ

Respect the new muslim. Make him strong.

[MadMark]

Secondly, no can deny the regionalism and Arabism that permeates Saudi society today except for a few. Pushing it under the rug is not the same as defending the honour of a fellow Muslim.

Doctor Saheb.

I thought 'pushing it under the rug' was what our Beloved Rasoolullah taught us to do.

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said,
"Allah will cover up on the Day of Resurrection the defects (faults) of the one who covers up the faults of the others in this world".
[Muslim].

There is whole chapter in Riyad As Saliheen of Imam Nawawi on 'Covering the faults of Fellow Muslims.'

[Anckzxik]

Doctor Saheb.

I thought 'pushing it under the rug' was what our Beloved Rasoolullah taught us to do.

Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: The Prophet (PBUH) said,
"Allah will cover up on the Day of Resurrection the defects (faults) of the one who covers up the faults of the others in this world".
[Muslim].

There is whole chapter in Riyad As Saliheen of Imam Nawawi on 'Covering the faults of Fellow Muslims.'

Sidi 'Amr. Your understanding of the ahadith on this issue is partially flawed and partially right. As a matter of fact you have stepped unwittingly into the field of ta'rrud al adilla(reconciliation of source texts). Following your conclusion reached upon your understanding of these ahadith one will land up ultimately with a contradiction with those ahadith that speak of correcting the faults of our fellow Muslims. After all this Din is sincere nasiha and a believer is the mirror of another believer. What these ahadith are speaking of is targeting someone by name in public, shaming him and dishonoring him for his faults. If you look at the article I posted, it speaks in a very general sense of the "saudi syndrome" without targeting individuals. Per chance some brother who is suffering from the same disease of regionalism may read it and be guided. I hope that the direction from which I approached this matter is somewhat clearer now. And thanks for the reference to Riyad al Saliheen.

A_T.

[MadMark]

Sidi 'Amr. Your understanding of the ahadith on this issue is partially flawed and partially right. As a matter of fact you have stepped unwittingly into the field of ta'rrud al adilla(reconciliation of source texts). Following your conclusion reached upon your understanding of these ahadith one will land up ultimately with a contradiction with those ahadith that speak of correcting the faults of our fellow Muslims. After all this Din is sincere nasiha and a believer is the mirror of another believer. What these ahadith are speaking of is targeting someone by name in public, shaming him and dishonoring him for his faults. If you look at the article I posted, it speaks in a very general sense of the "saudi syndrome" without targeting individuals. Per chance some brother who is suffering from the same disease of regionalism may read it and be guided. I hope that the direction from which I approached this matter is somewhat clearer now. And thanks for the reference to Riyad al Saliheen.

A_T.

Ok doctor saheb, now I understand your perspective of the issue. Regionalism is indeed a problem. May Allah save us. Ameen.

[Anckzxik]

Ok doctor saheb, now I understand your perspective of the issue. Regionalism is indeed a problem. May Allah save us. Ameen.

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In India itself, the situation is pathetic among the Muslims with reference to regional prejudices and the zaat-paat, hasab-nasab nonsense.