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**FloareTraurne** · 12-09-2011, 11:50 PM

Orientalists and Christians absolutely love to bring this matter up anytime they argue with a Muslim the age of Aisha (ra) when she married the prophet (saws) and when he consumated it.

She wasn't 6-9 years of age as can be seen by research conducted by researchers and child marriages arent recommended in Islam see:

Age of Aisha at time of marriage with Holy Prophet Muhammad

It is believed on the authority of some Hadith reports that the marriage ceremony (known as nikah, amounting to betrothal) of Aisha with the Holy Prophet Muhammad took place when she was six years of age, and that she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife three years later at the age of nine. We quote below from two such reports in Bukhari.

“It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

“Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3]

As to the authenticity of these reports, it may be noted that the compilers of the books of Hadith did not apply the same stringent tests when accepting reports relating to historical matters as they did before accepting reports relating to the practical teachings and laws of Islam. The reason is that the former type of report was regarded as merely of academic interest while the latter type of report had a direct bearing on the practical duties of a Muslim and on what was allowed to them and what was prohibited. Thus the occurrence of reports such as the above about the marriage of Aisha in books of Hadith, even in Bukhari, is not necessarily a proof of their credibility.
Determination of the true age of Aisha

“A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)

To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.
Later research

1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:

“In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.” [5]

Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.

2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

“She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” [6]

This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:

“Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” [7]

Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows:

“Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.” [8]

This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam.

In the footnotes of his Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari, entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, had pointed out reports of two events which show that Aisha could not have been born later than the year of the Call. These are as follows.

1. The above mentioned statement by Aisha in Bukhari, about her earliest memory of her parents being that they were followers of Islam, begins with the following words in its version in Bukhari’s Kitab-ul-Kafalat. We quote this from the English translation of Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:

“Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.” [9]

“This report sheds some light on the question of the age of Aisha. … The mention of the persecution of Muslims along with the emigration to Ethiopia clearly shows that this refers to the fifth or the sixth year of the Call. … At that time Aisha was of an age to discern things, and so her birth could not have been later than the first year of the Call.” [10]

Again, this would make her more than fourteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage.

2. There is a report in Sahih Bukhari as follows:

“On the day (of the battle) of Uhud when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Umm Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, ‘carrying the water skins on their backs’). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.” [11]

“It should also be noted that Aisha joined the Holy Prophet’s household only one year before the battle of Uhud. According to the common view she would be only ten years of age at this time, which is certainly not a suitable age for the work she did on this occasion. This also shows that she was not so young at this time.” [12]

If, as shown in the previous section above, Aisha was nineteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage, then she would be twenty years old at the time of the battle of Uhud. It may be added that on the earlier occasion of the battle of Badr when some Muslim youths tried, out of eagerness, to go along with the Muslim army to the field of battle, the Holy Prophet Muhammad sent them back on account of their young age (allowing only one such youngster, Umair ibn Abi Waqqas, to accompany his older brother the famous Companion Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas). It seems, therefore, highly unlikely that if Aisha was ten years old the Holy Prophet would have allowed her to accompany the army to the field of battle.

We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously.

**alexbookhyip** · 12-10-2011, 12:02 AM

Can I have the source of the above article?

**FloareTraurne** · 12-10-2011, 12:04 AM

Can I have the source of the above article?

Material has been taken from various websites.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/aishahage.htm
http://www.discoveringislam.org/aisha_age.htm
http://realdeen.wordpress.com/2006/0...-hazrat-aisha/

**ppfpooghn** · 12-10-2011, 12:09 AM

http://muslim-responses.com/Marriage...ge_with_Aisha_.

**MadMark** · 12-10-2011, 12:18 AM

This topic was discussed before in much detail: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...me-of-marriage

There is substantial proof that that Aisha (ra) was 9 years when the marriage was consummated. I don't want to go deep into it as I don't have enough knowledge.

What I can't understand is why are Muslims 'hastening' to cover up the age of Aisha (ra) or the fact that our Rasoolullah

had 12 wives. It seem like we are embarrassed about it or something. Forget what the Kuffar say about it. They have been taunting our Rasoolullah

ever since he started preaching Islam. Rasoolullah

was the noblest of creation, nothing bad has ever came from him. As for the age, it was the norm during that era, the age barrier for marriage is a very recent concept. I have attached a good book on it.

**Clilmence** · 12-10-2011, 12:51 AM

Only modernists try to alter the age of Sayyida Aisha. Why can't they just admit what the true reason is for uttering their deviant stance? Namely they don't feel comfortable in stating that marrying a 9 year old is fine.

So what you do with the dozens of other instances of Sahaba and followers who also married with such young women? What do they with the fact that all 4 sunni schools allow it?

Will they deny that too?

**FloareTraurne** · 12-10-2011, 12:58 AM

Only modernists try to alter the age of Sayyida Aisha. Why can't they just admit what the true reason is for uttering their deviant stance? Namely they don't feel comfortable in stating that marrying a 9 year old is fine.

So what you do with the dozens of other instances of Sahaba and followers who also married with such young women? What do they with the fact that all 4 sunni schools allow it?

Will they deny that too?

You seem to be unable to refute the article(s)

**22paseabelldaps** · 12-10-2011, 01:51 AM

You seem to be unable to refute the article(s)

All points made in your article are thoroughly refuted here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...e-Prophet-saw&

If you can find something that has not yet been refuted, please post regarding it and the knowledgeable people will answer

**THOUTHCAW** · 12-10-2011, 02:01 AM

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I think this is what annoys people, you have Muslims twisting things to please kuffar, based on kuffar standards. May Allah give us all proper ilm.

Anyways, kaafirs refute it themselves -

"Such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West." Colin Turner, Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press, pp. 34-35[16]

**Clilmence** · 12-10-2011, 02:14 AM

You seem to be unable to refute the article(s)

The fact that none of the scholars came up with this age is enough to refute your claim.

We follow the traditional scholars of the 4 schools of thought.

**SoOW2LeA** · 12-10-2011, 02:24 AM

Salam 'Aleykum,

I thank brother amr123 for posting the link to this thread:http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?78721-Age-Of-Aisha-(R.A.)-at-the-time-of-marriage/page1

^ Yes indeed it was discussed in detail, all the answers are in this thread above, no further need to waste time on this.

12-09-2011, 11:50 PM	#1
FloareTraurne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Aisha wasn't 6-9 years old when the Prophet married her Orientalists and Christians absolutely love to bring this matter up anytime they argue with a Muslim the age of Aisha (ra) when she married the prophet (saws) and when he consumated it. She wasn't 6-9 years of age as can be seen by research conducted by researchers and child marriages arent recommended in Islam see: Age of Aisha at time of marriage with Holy Prophet Muhammad It is believed on the authority of some Hadith reports that the marriage ceremony (known as nikah, amounting to betrothal) of Aisha with the Holy Prophet Muhammad took place when she was six years of age, and that she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife three years later at the age of nine. We quote below from two such reports in Bukhari. “It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.” “Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.” [3] As to the authenticity of these reports, it may be noted that the compilers of the books of Hadith did not apply the same stringent tests when accepting reports relating to historical matters as they did before accepting reports relating to the practical teachings and laws of Islam. The reason is that the former type of report was regarded as merely of academic interest while the latter type of report had a direct bearing on the practical duties of a Muslim and on what was allowed to them and what was prohibited. Thus the occurrence of reports such as the above about the marriage of Aisha in books of Hadith, even in Bukhari, is not necessarily a proof of their credibility. Determination of the true age of Aisha “A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.) To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage. Later research 1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’: “In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.” [5] Being born before Islam means being born before the Call. 2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr: “She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.” [6] This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call. 3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya: “Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.” [7] Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows: “Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.” [8] This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam. In the footnotes of his Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari, entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, had pointed out reports of two events which show that Aisha could not have been born later than the year of the Call. These are as follows. 1. The above mentioned statement by Aisha in Bukhari, about her earliest memory of her parents being that they were followers of Islam, begins with the following words in its version in Bukhari’s Kitab-ul-Kafalat. We quote this from the English translation of Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan: “Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.” [9] “This report sheds some light on the question of the age of Aisha. … The mention of the persecution of Muslims along with the emigration to Ethiopia clearly shows that this refers to the fifth or the sixth year of the Call. … At that time Aisha was of an age to discern things, and so her birth could not have been later than the first year of the Call.” [10] Again, this would make her more than fourteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage. 2. There is a report in Sahih Bukhari as follows: “On the day (of the battle) of Uhud when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Umm Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, ‘carrying the water skins on their backs’). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.” [11] “It should also be noted that Aisha joined the Holy Prophet’s household only one year before the battle of Uhud. According to the common view she would be only ten years of age at this time, which is certainly not a suitable age for the work she did on this occasion. This also shows that she was not so young at this time.” [12] If, as shown in the previous section above, Aisha was nineteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage, then she would be twenty years old at the time of the battle of Uhud. It may be added that on the earlier occasion of the battle of Badr when some Muslim youths tried, out of eagerness, to go along with the Muslim army to the field of battle, the Holy Prophet Muhammad sent them back on account of their young age (allowing only one such youngster, Umair ibn Abi Waqqas, to accompany his older brother the famous Companion Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas). It seems, therefore, highly unlikely that if Aisha was ten years old the Holy Prophet would have allowed her to accompany the army to the field of battle. We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MadMark Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	This topic was discussed before in much detail: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...me-of-marriage There is substantial proof that that Aisha (ra) was 9 years when the marriage was consummated. I don't want to go deep into it as I don't have enough knowledge. What I can't understand is why are Muslims 'hastening' to cover up the age of Aisha (ra) or the fact that our Rasoolullah had 12 wives. It seem like we are embarrassed about it or something. Forget what the Kuffar say about it. They have been taunting our Rasoolullah ever since he started preaching Islam. Rasoolullah was the noblest of creation, nothing bad has ever came from him. As for the age, it was the norm during that era, the age barrier for marriage is a very recent concept. I have attached a good book on it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-10-2011, 12:51 AM	#6
Clilmence Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Only modernists try to alter the age of Sayyida Aisha. Why can't they just admit what the true reason is for uttering their deviant stance? Namely they don't feel comfortable in stating that marrying a 9 year old is fine. So what you do with the dozens of other instances of Sahaba and followers who also married with such young women? What do they with the fact that all 4 sunni schools allow it? Will they deny that too? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-10-2011, 12:58 AM	#7
FloareTraurne Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 553 Senior Member	Only modernists try to alter the age of Sayyida Aisha. Why can't they just admit what the true reason is for uttering their deviant stance? Namely they don't feel comfortable in stating that marrying a 9 year old is fine. So what you do with the dozens of other instances of Sahaba and followers who also married with such young women? What do they with the fact that all 4 sunni schools allow it? Will they deny that too? You seem to be unable to refute the article(s) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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22paseabelldaps Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 438 Senior Member	You seem to be unable to refute the article(s) All points made in your article are thoroughly refuted here: http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...e-Prophet-saw& If you can find something that has not yet been refuted, please post regarding it and the knowledgeable people will answer Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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THOUTHCAW Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 389 Senior Member	Asalaamu Alaikum, I think this is what annoys people, you have Muslims twisting things to please kuffar, based on kuffar standards. May Allah give us all proper ilm. Anyways, kaafirs refute it themselves - "Such marriages were not seen as improper in historical context, and that individuals in such societies matured at an earlier age than in the modern West." Colin Turner, Islam: The Basics, Routledge Press, pp. 34-35[16] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Clilmence Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	You seem to be unable to refute the article(s) The fact that none of the scholars came up with this age is enough to refute your claim. We follow the traditional scholars of the 4 schools of thought. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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SoOW2LeA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	Salam 'Aleykum, I thank brother amr123 for posting the link to this thread:http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?78721-Age-Of-Aisha-(R.A.)-at-the-time-of-marriage/page1 ^ Yes indeed it was discussed in detail, all the answers are in this thread above, no further need to waste time on this. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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