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01-17-2011, 10:19 PM
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 Abu Usamah at it again with Hanafis!
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/11867918
----- Abu usamah (of Green Lane) says: the ‘scholars of Islam’ have said Imam Abu Hanifa was weak in Hadeeth and criticised him. Some scholars he mentioned were: - Imam Bhukari’s Sheik Abdullah bin Zubair Al-Humaidi said Abu Hanifa was weak in Hadeeth - Abdullah Ibn adeed - The son of the Muhaddith Abu Dawud said that the great scholar (of Basra) Ayyub assahdiyani, the great scholar (of Koofa) Sufyan ath-Thouri, the great scholar (of Hijaaz) Imam Maalik Ibn Anas, the scholar (from Egypt) Allais ibn’u sa’t, the great Scholar of Khurasaan Abdullah Ibn Mubarak – ALL said that Imam Abu Hanifa was ‘weak’ in Hadeeth. There are many issues here. I’m just going to mention a few. Firstly, isn’t Abu Usamah doing taqleed on those ‘scholars’ he mentioned with the claim that Abu Hanifa was weak in Hadeeth? He goes on to mention that these scholars said that Abu Hanifa was weak, there were other scholars who said that Abu Hanifa was ‘ok’. ‘OK!’. I think those scholars said a bit more than ‘Ok’ mate! Firstly I personally was a bit disappointed when he mentioned “...And I know in this Masjid we have visitors who are here, they may be Hanafi. And you should hear this because this message is for you as well.” So Hanafis are ‘visitors’ – not brothers? This sort of thing really hurts. Even whenever I talk about other groups, we’ll at least say”Our Salafi brother...” or “The Brelvi brother...”. THIS SORT OF THING CAUSES DIVISIONS! When someone goes as far as not even recognising his Muslim brother as a Muslim. Plus if you compare the scholars who praised Imam Abu Hanifa to the ones who criticised him, then you’ll see that those that praised him were more in number and higher in terms of status than those who criticised him. Plus those narrations of the scholars that Abu Usamah mentions are weak. – Check it u yourself! And by the way, the scholars he mentioned like Abdullah Ibn Mubarak and Sufyan at Thouri. Why would they criticise Abu Hanifa when they praised him like the quotes above. Show us your proof Mr Abu Usamah! Who cares if people believe that Imam Abu Hanifa was NOT weak in Hadeeth? How is that going over board? Plus why would someone want to believe in the scholars who criticised Abu Hanifa when there’s a huge bunch of scholars that praised him? I sense some jealousy here and a pointless....point. Also just before he mentions Imam Abu Hanifa, he prasied him a little – “Al Imam abu Hanifa is the Imam of the Dunya...he is an ayaa from the Ayaat of Allah, he is the Faqih of Al-Iraaq...”(and more praise). So how can Imaam Abu Hanifa be ALL that and still ne ‘weak’ in Hadith?!!! How can a person be amazing in Fiqh but be weak in hadith? Think about it, you need hadith or you need to be a Muhaddith to be a Faqih. Abu Usamah goes on to say that “who from amongst us wouldn’t want to be like Al-Imam Abu Hanifa – even though he was weak in Hadith?” He just has to slip that in doesn’t he? Why doesn’t Mr Abu Usamah do a talk on Al bani. Praise him for half an hour and then give a list of ALL the mistakes that Albani made in the next half an hour (mind you it would probably take more than half an hour to cover the mistakes and contradictions Albani made, no seriously.) Why pick on the greatest of Scholars? Aren’t there more important things in Islam to talk about? Why use Imam Abu Hanifa as an example to make the ‘point' of not going overboard?! Do Hanafis believe Abu Hanifa was a saint? NO. Do we believe he’s in Jannah? NO (Inshallah he is – just like all the other greater Scholars & Wali’s of Allah). Do we believe he was perfect?! NO. Do we believe he made mistakes?! YES! So what’s the point he’s trying to make?!!! Where are the people or Hanafis going overboard here?!!! I feel like there’s going to be another Abu Hanifa’ talk coming up! Can Shaykh Ahmad Ali, Shaykh Ryadul Haq, Shaykh Zahir Mahmood and Shaykh Mufti Ibn Adam Please STAND UP?!!! Lol ------- “He had reached that position of knowledge in Hadeeth, Taqwa, Abstention and yearning for the Akhira that none has reached” – Imam Ahmad Bin Hambal “No one is worthy being followed, besides (him), because he was an imam. Allah – fearing, abstinent and an Alim and a Faqih. He has opened out and explained knowledge as none has ever done.” – Imam Abdullah Bin Mubarak “Our condition before (him) was like that of little birds before a Falcon. Without doubt (he) was the leader of the Scholars of Den.” – Sufyan Thouri. “I have not seen any person who understands the Deen more than him”. – Imam Shafi “Imam Abu Hanifa would not do Qiyas even if he found a weak hadith”. Ibn Qayyum Al Jawzi “Imam Abu Hanifa is the greatest Imaam in Tafseer” –Ibn Taymiyyah “Imam Abu Hanifa is reliable” – Ibn Taymiyyah “Imam Abu Hanifa is the Imaam” – Abu Dawud The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said “If the Deen was next to the Surraya star, yet a man would come from Persia and he will acquire it” –Sahih Bhukari, Hadith No.20 Volume 6. The Mufassireens including Jala Uddin Sayauti Hajr Al-Makki says that the person that is mentioned in this hadith is none other than Imam Abu Hanifa. “There’s no accusation on Imam Abu Hanifa. He is clean from all lies. Whoever wants to learn Fiqh, they are dependent on Imam Abu Hanifa” – Ibn Ma’een. ------ |
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01-17-2011, 11:01 PM
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 Why don't you get these issue addressed from Shaykh Ahmad Ali, Shaykh Ryadul Haq, Shaykh Zahir Mahmood and Shaykh Mufti Ibn Adam and put it before him?? So that that next speech never happens... |
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01-17-2011, 11:09 PM
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Abu Usama will die and will be forgotten. Imam AbuHanifa passed away and the majority of the ummah follow his madhab to this day. Enough said! |
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01-17-2011, 11:10 PM
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There was an event held in the UK in response. You may download the lectures from the links below: 08 - Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadh ul Haq - Dua.mp3 07 - Shaykh Ahmad Ali - Taqleed.mp3 06 - Shaykh Abu Yusuf Riyadh ul Haq - The Legacy of Imam Abu Hanifah.mp3 05 - Mufti Abdur-Rahman ibn Yusuf - Aqeedah.mp3 04 - Shaykh Zahir Mahmood - The Sacrifice and Character of Imam Abu Hanifah.mp3 03 - Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari - Usul ul Fiqh.mp3 02 - Introduction.mp3 01 - Qirat.mp3 Alternate Link
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01-17-2011, 11:16 PM
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but i want to know that where and when these lectures delivered?i saw 31th jan 2011 in file,so plz tell us |
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01-17-2011, 11:20 PM
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01-17-2011, 11:51 PM
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The khutbah posted of Abu Usamah of green lane Masjid took place few weeks back. It is strange, he claims to be a person following I`tidal, for about half an hour going on about being the Ummah in the middle path etc. He then goes on to say, Imam Abu Hanifah (Ra) according to some Scholars was weak in Hadith, then says according to others he was "okay"!! What!!! is Abu Usamah feeling "okay"?? is this even a slight portrayal of I`tidal? |
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01-18-2011, 01:33 AM
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Asalaamualaikum Warahmatullah. Shaykh Abdur Raheem Limbada has did a response to Abu Usamah Here is the video ( bare in mind this is part 1. It is in 9 parts, Inshallahh Just need to upload 4 more parts that should take an hour and a half and u can watch the full thing. at the moment there are 4 that are in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3zDeDdfGA The shaykh taught Mufti Adam Al Kawthari |
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01-18-2011, 02:11 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt3zDeDdfGA did the shiekh answered about the objection which some of muhaddith had regarding imam abu hanifa(rh)?or was it merely praising imam abu hanifa which happen in all "refuting the claim against imam abu hanifa" lectures? |
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01-18-2011, 02:15 AM
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Asalaamualaikum Warahmatullah. Shaykh Abdur Raheem Limbada has did a response to Abu Usamah Here is the video ( bare in mind this is part 1. It is in 9 parts, Inshallahh Just need to upload 4 more parts that should take an hour and a half and u can watch the full thing. at the moment there are 4 that are in place  Can you please upload the rest, Akhi. 
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01-18-2011, 02:17 AM
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did the shiekh answered about the objection which some of muhaddith had regarding imam abu hanifa(rh)?
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01-18-2011, 02:18 AM
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Maulana starts tackling the video after 00:10:00...
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01-18-2011, 02:46 AM
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Imam Al-Bukhari narrated in his “Tarikh Sagheer” p 174 from Nuyam ibn Hammad:
“Ibrahim ibn Muhammad Al-Fazari narrated to us: We were with Sufyan Ath-Thawri when we received the news of the death of Abu Hanifah, and he said: “Al-Hamdulillah, The One who relieved the Muslims from him, he was destroying the chains of Islam, one by one. None was born in Islam more ill-omened than him” Al-Khateeb narrated in his “Tarikh” (v 13 p 423) from Abu ‘Asim Ad-Dahak ibn Makhlad An-Nabeel: “I heard Sufyan Ath-Thawri saying in Makkah when Abu Hanifah was mentioned to him: “Al-Hamdulilah, The One who saved us from what He tested a lot of people”, and with other words: “The death of Abu Hanifah was mentioned to Sufyan Thawri and he did not invoke mercy on him or anything else but said: “Al-Hamdulilah, The One who saved us from what He tested a lot of people” Abu Zur’ah Ad-Dimashqi wrote in his “Tarikh Dimashq” v 1 p 507: “Muhammad ibn Abi Umar said: Sufyan said:" None was born in Islam more dangerous than Abu Hanifah” Hafiz Ibn Abdil Barr wrote in his “Inqita” about Abu Hanifah: “Among those who did Ta’n on him and Jarh of him is Abu Abdillah Muhammad ibn Ismail Al-Bukhari, he said in his book “Dua’fa wal Matrukin”: Abu Hanifah Nu’man ibn Thabit Al-Kufi, Nuyam ibn Hammad narrated to us: Yahya ibn Said and Mu’az ibn Mu’az narrated to us: they heard Sufyan Ath-Thawri saying that it has been said that Abu Hanifah was requested to repent twice from Kufr. Nuaym narrated from Al-Fazari: I was with Sufyan ibn ‘Uyaynah when the death of Abu Hanifah came and he said: May Allah curse him, he was destroying Islam chain by chain, none was born in Islam more evil than him” Al-Khateeb narrated in his “Tarikh Baghdad” v 13 p 394-395 from Imam Abu Bakr Abdullah ibn Sulayman ibnul Ash’at, son of the famous Imam Abu Dawud, addressing a group: “What do you say about a topic on which agree Malik and his companions, Ash-Shafi’i and his companions, Al-Awza’i and his companions, Al-Hasan ibn Salih and his companions, Sufyan Ath-Thawri and his companions, Ahmad ibn Hambal and his companions?” They replied: “It is among most authentic topic”. He said: “All of these agreed on the misguidance of Abu Hanifah” حدثني : محمد بن هارون ، نا : أبو صالح ، قال : سمعت الفزاري ، وحدثني : إبراهيم بن سعيد ، نا : أبو توبة ، عن أبي إسحاق الفزاري ، قال : كان أبو حنيفة يقول : إيمان إبليس وإيمان أبي بكر الصديق (ر) واحد ، قال أبوبكر : يا رب ، وقال إبليس : يا رب Ishaaq al Fazaari narrates that he heard Abu Haneefah say: "The faith of Iblees and the faith of Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq is the same, Abu Bakr said "O Lord" and Iblees said "O Lord." [Kitab us Sunnah of Abdullaah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal, No.316; Tarikh Baghdaad Vol.13, P.369] Al-Fazaari is declared thiqah by the Muhaditheen, I will provide references later insha Allaah. |
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01-18-2011, 03:15 AM
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“Muhammad ibn Abi Umar said: Sufyan said:" None was born in Islam more dangerous than Abu Hanifah” I don't wish to create difference among our Muslim brothers and sisters but I think the whole madhaab system has doing it for ages. We all need to know the authentic way and be united. |
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01-18-2011, 03:18 AM
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 When I get the time I'll try to post Imam Abu Hanifah's  jurisprudential skill in light of other Imam's views from the book 'Uqudul Jamman fee manaqibil Imamil A'tham Abi Hanifata An-Nu'man, which has over 60 views and praises of Abu Hanifah from other Imams....I've been meaning to put it online for a while now. |
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01-18-2011, 03:22 AM
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do you feel the same salafi-mujtahid? 
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01-18-2011, 03:27 AM
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01-18-2011, 03:30 AM
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01-18-2011, 03:33 AM
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I guess the book has been translated with the name "abu hanifa". |
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01-18-2011, 03:35 AM
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