[secondmortgagek]

Is there one major festival of Hindus which is celebrated peacefully and without causing harm to Humans and the environment? I've been told that only the festivals of the Ahl ul Kitab (People of the book or Muslims, Christians & Jews) have a relatively much peaceful sort of celebration of their respective festivals.

The Hindus' celebrate Diwali and literally thousands every year have their eyes injured, faces burnt, and what not, and its notorious for causing:
a) Air pollution - due to bursting of crackers
b) Noise pollution - see above
c) Sound pollution - see above
d) And the injuries which I have talked about.
And don't think its only them who are injured, more than 30% of the injured are innocent onlookers, passer-by's...the percentage may be even more. The hands that make those crackers are poor children (they work faster & are agile) who get various skin diseases later on. The working condition's ? Don't ask.

So the destruction is all around and deeply permeating.

Ganesha festival:
a) Full on water pollution - they make idols of clay and extremely harmful chemicals (99%) later on are used to decorate those idols. Later on, those idols are sunk into the rivers, ponds, sea's, etc. The civic agencies need to work extra post the festival to clean out the filth and yes, millions of fish die each year due to the pollution, not necessarily on D day. Its harm is spread across many months. And people die of drowning too...

Same is with the Durga pooja in Calcutta.

Every year the govt. issues an advisory to the hospitals to add extra staff at hospitals, medical clinic's on the day of Diwali (also called Deepavali) Do you know Diwali is also known as 'The Festival Of Lights' Its ironic 'coz it literally takes the lights out of the eyes of thousands every year There is one more major festival in which they play cards (or bet) throughout the day of the festivals, get mad at each other & others, fight, get drunk madly, I think its called Ugadi or something. I know fighting isn't part of festival & it depends on the individual, but betting is mandatory.

And when they die, they need to be burnt (using wood mostly, of course) and later on the ashes are spread in the rivers (The ritual is called 'Antyesti' or 'Antim Sanskar'). Some communities/tribes take the short cut, they just drop off the bodies into the river. I could give you so many links of dead bodies floating in the river, but lets not go there, shall we?


Why do I say hypocrisy? Because they walk around thinking & believing they are saviors of the environment (because they are veggies*).

*That debate is for another day & a different thread. Actually, its not needed at all.
If any hindu brothers are reading this, let me tell you, I'm not prejudiced in any way, you all know what I'm saying is true, you just need to ask Google if you or if anyone is in doubt.

We really can't thank Allah SWT enough for giving us the wealth of Imaan. We just can't

[xtc2d6u8]

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:Salam:

Hazrath you want to ask our hindu brothers? What will you answer them if they tell you " WE ARE NOT ALONE DOING THIS , YOUR OWN MUSLIMS BROTHERS ARE ALSO INVOLVED IN THIS"

[secondmortgagek]

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:Salam:

Hazrath you want to ask our hindu brothers? What will you answer them if they tell you " WE ARE NOT ALONE DOING THIS , YOUR OWN MUSLIMS BROTHERS ARE ALSO INVOLVED IN THIS"

bro, how many of us do? its only a very small percentage, for us its only a seasonal phenomenon nay an aberration, for them its their 'religion'...

[Qynvtlur]

This is their relegion. Someone could say same thing about our Eid. The Jehlami, Mirpuri and the new money pople causing a scene during eid. Focus on yourself instead of their relegion.

the problem with people like you who appreciate the western 'traditional' scholars, and are into all this self-crticism (which is not always wrong) etc is your stark and noted absence of a sense of wala' and bara' - something that has always been part of our religion, and our sufi tradition. alhamduli Llah, bughd fi 'Llah is a lofty sufi rank, and we should never equate (whether by way of statement or implication) our religion with those of others.

secondly, as you say, "this is their religion", whereas the excessses practiced by Muslims on our a'yaad are not part of our religion.

the thing is, self-respecting non-Muslims (and by that, I mean, sincere adherants of other faiths) will never equate their religions with Islam, for example, so why should we?

this is all the more of the case when dealing with the hostile hindus of (mainly Northern) India!

was-salam

[Thorwaywhobia]

Salam,

I thought Triple H was "Hunter Hearst Helmsley".

[T1ivuQGS]

some people can also bring such objections about Eid al azha: slaughtering animals more than whole year, the blood of animal causes air and water polution, air pollution cause of the skins and other animal parts and so on....

[Audi_z]

I recentley saw a thread on a christian forum saying how barbaric Muslims are because so many people get trampled doing tawaf around the kaba - its interesting.

Now, we see those people who are killed doing tawaf as martyrs and, while we would try and limit it, we basicly say "they are in a better place"

So yeah, the Hindus are gross, their parties get out of hand - but its their religion, and its their enviroment - if a Muslim lives in a hindu dominated part of India - give dawah, get over it or get out - save your complaints for Allah.

Allah is most wise and his plan may be that their shirk ends up completely ruining their home and killing their people. If a Muslim happens to be there when the wrath of Allah falls on the Mushirkeen then what excuse will that Muslim have for being there.

[CurtisTH]

Salam,

I thought Triple H was "Hunter Hearst Helmsley".

LOL , d-generation x

[r7rGOhvd]

Nomadic, you need to get out more, or move from where you're currently living....

It seems that these scum Mirpuri & Jhelumi people, are the only people you know...

You sound like a broken record mate, and if you've personally been hurt by the actions of someone from Mirpur/Jhelum, deal with it, or get over it...

[r7rGOhvd]

bro Pluto,

I've seen some images of the 'dumping' of bodies in the river & I am very surprised that people still use these rivers for bathing...

I'm surprised there hasn't been a massive outbreak of Cholera there.

[mrPronmaker]

Assalamu alaykum

Here they are enjoying cow dung: Dung-Ho

http://www.deccanherald.com/photo.php?id=7631

Revellers fling cow dung at one another during Gore Habba at Gumutapura near Chamarajanagar. The festival is celebrated the day after Deepavali in the region.

[icedrakona]

The condition of the Ganges is quite shocking from what I've read. If the Hindus love their river, they should really take better care of it.

[secondmortgagek]

Assalamu alaykum

Here they are enjoying cow dung: Dung-Ho

http://www.deccanherald.com/photo.php?id=7631

Revellers fling cow dung at one another during Gore Habba at Gumutapura near Chamarajanagar. The festival is celebrated the day after Deepavali in the region.

That's a revelation bro again! Thanks for sharing

The condition of the Ganges is quite shocking from what I've read. If the Hindus love their river, they should really take better care of it.

Ganges? Count in every river, every single river and its the same story...just for ex. the govt. is at as to how to clean the river Yamuna, read this Delhi's yamuna- Catastrophe in the making

some people can also bring such objections about Eid al azha: slaughtering animals more than whole year, the blood of animal causes air and water polution, air pollution cause of the skins and other animal parts and so on....

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I recentley saw a thread on a christian forum saying how barbaric Muslims are because so many people get trampled doing tawaf around the kaba - its interesting.

Now, we see those people who are killed doing tawaf as martyrs and, while we would try and limit it, we basicly say "they are in a better place"

So yeah, the Hindus are gross, their parties get out of hand - but its their religion, and its their enviroment - if a Muslim lives in a hindu dominated part of India - give dawah, get over it or get out - save your complaints for Allah.

Allah is most wise and his plan may be that their shirk ends up completely ruining their home and killing their people. If a Muslim happens to be there when the wrath of Allah falls on the Mushirkeen then what excuse will that Muslim have for being there.

No onlookers get killed during Eid ul Azha, and also if the waste (due to slaughtering the animals etc) IF its not disposed of in the right way, its because of the LACK of facilities & options to do otherwise, this absolutely doesn't concur with what the Hindus do, they have a choice, they are witness to the **** the water bodies of India, Nepal etc are in. What happens during the Hajj is a totally different matter, those are accidents, if something of that magnitude would take place at the Vatican, it would have been the same story.

bro Pluto,

I've seen some images of the 'dumping' of bodies in the river & I am very surprised that people still use these rivers for bathing...

I'm surprised there hasn't been a massive outbreak of Cholera there.

Bhai, those rivers aren't just used for bathing, even the water for those same rivers is recycled and reused And every year diseases do break out albeit its become so common newspapers print them no more...

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The whole point of the thread which I'd like to reiterate is there's nothing about Hinduism that agrees with the natural environment around us, it harms the environment in every way it can and they go around fooling everyone how Hindus save nature by not eating non veg*

*Which again is a bunch of pure white lies. Why & how?

Beef Eating: Strangulating History

By Ram Puniyani

The Hindu
15 August, 2003


While one must respect the sentiments of those who worship cow and regard her as their mother, to take offence to the objective study of history just because the facts don't suit their political calculations is yet another sign of a society where liberal space is being strangulated by the practitioners of communal politics. Prof. D. N. Jha, a historian from Delhi University, had been experiencing the nightmares of `threats to life' from anonymous callers who were trying to prevail upon him not to go ahead with the publication of his well researched work, Holy Cow: Beef in Indian Dietary Traditions.

As per the reports it is a work of serious scholarship based on authentic sources in tune with methods of scientific research in history. The book demonstrates that contrary to the popular belief even today a large number of Indians, the indigenous people in particular and many other communities in general, consume beef unmindful of the dictates of the Hindutva forces.

It is too well known to recount that these Hindutva forces confer the status of mother to the cow. Currently 72 communities in Kerala - not all of them untouchables - prefer beef to the expensive mutton and the Hindutva forces are trying to prevail upon them to stop the same.

Not tenable

To begin with the historian breaks the myth that Muslim rulers introduced beef eating in India. Much before the advent of Islam in India beef had been associated with Indian dietary practices. Also it is not at all tenable to hold that dietary habits are a mark of community identity.

A survey of ancient Indian scriptures, especially the Vedas, shows that amongst the nomadic, pastoral Aryans who settled here, animal sacrifice was a dominant feature till the emergence of settled agriculture. Cattle were the major property during this phase and they offered the same to propitiate the gods. Wealth was equated with the ownership of the cattle.

Many gods such as Indra and Agni are described as having special preferences for different types of flesh - Indra had weakness for bull's meat and Agni for bull's and cow's. It is recorded that the Maruts and the Asvins were also offered cows. In the Vedas there is a mention of around 250 animals out of which at least 50 were supposed to be fit for sacrifice and consumption. In the Mahabharata there is a mention of a king named Rantideva who achieved great fame by distributing foodgrains and beef to Brahmins. Taittiriya Brahman categorically tells us: `Verily the cow is food' (atho annam via gauh) and Yajnavalkya's insistence on eating the tender (amsala) flesh of the cow is well known. Even later Brahminical texts provide the evidence for eating beef. Even Manusmriti did not prohibit the consumption of beef.

As a medicine

In therapeutic section of Charak Samhita (pages 86-87) the flesh of cow is prescribed as a medicine for various diseases. It is also prescribed for making soup. It is emphatically advised as a cure for irregular fever, consumption, and emaciation. The fat of the cow is recommended for debility and rheumatism.

With the rise of agricultural economy and the massive transformation occurring in society, changes were to be brought in in the practice of animal sacrifice also. At that time there were ritualistic practices like animal sacrifices, with which Brahmins were identified. Buddha attacked these practices. There were sacrifices, which involved 500 oxen, 500 male calves, 500 female calves and 500 sheep to be tied to the sacrificial pole for slaughter. Buddha pointed out that aswamedha, purusmedha, vajapeya sacrifices did not produce good results. According to a story in Digha Nikaya, when Buddha was touring Magadha, a Brahmin called Kutadanta was preparing for a sacrifice with 700 bulls, 700 goats and 700 rams. Buddha intervened and stopped him. His rejection of animal sacrifice and emphasis on non-injury to animals assumed a new significance in the context of new agriculture.

The threat from Buddhism

The emphasis on non-violence by Buddha was not blind or rigid. He did taste beef and it is well known that he died due to eating pork. Emperor Ashok after converting to Buddhism did not turn to vegetarianism. He only restricted the number of animals to be killed for the royal kitchen.

So where do matters change and how did the cow become a symbol of faith and reverence to the extent of assuming the status of `motherhood'? Over a period of time mainly after the emergence of Buddhism or rather as an accompaniment of the Brahminical attack on Buddhism, the practices started being looked on with different emphasis. The threat posed by Buddhism to the Brahminical value system was too severe. In response to low castes slipping away from the grip of Brahminism, the battle was taken up at all the levels. At philosophical level Sankara reasserted the supremacy of Brahminical values, at political level King Pushyamitra Shung ensured the physical attack on Buddhist monks, at the level of symbols King Shashank got the Bodhi tree (where Gautama the Buddha got Enlightenment) destroyed.

One of the appeals to the spread of Buddhism was the protection of cattle wealth, which was needed for the agricultural economy. In a way while Brahminism `succeeded' in banishing Buddhism from India, it had also to transform itself from the `animal sacrifice' state to the one which could be in tune with the times. It is here that this ideology took up the cow as a symbol of their ideological march. But unlike Buddha whose pronouncements were based on reason, the counteraction of Brahminical ideology took the form of a blind faith based on assertion. So while Buddha's non-violence was for the preservation of animal wealth for the social and compassionate reasons the counter was based purely on symbolism. So while the followers of Brahminical ideology accuse Buddha of `weakening' India due to his doctrine of non-violence, he was not a cow worshipper or vegetarian in the current Brahminical sense.

Despite the gradual rigidification of Brahminical `cow as mother' stance, large sections of low castes continued the practice of beef eating. The followers of Buddhism continued to eat flesh including beef. Since Brahminism is the dominant religious tradition, Babur, the first Mughal emperor, in his will to his son Humayun, in deference to these notions, advised him to respect the cow and avoid cow slaughter. With the construction of Hindutva ideology and politics, in response to the rising Indian national movement, the demand for ban on cow slaughter also came up. In post-Independence India RSS repeatedly raised this issue to build up a mass campaign but without any response to its call till the 1980s.

While one must respect the sentiments of those who worship cow and regard her as their mother, to take offence to the objective study of history just because the facts don't suit their political calculations is yet another sign of a society where liberal space is being strangulated by the practitioners of communal politics. We have seen enough such threats and offences in recent past - be it the opposition to films or the destruction of paintings, or the dictates of the communalists to the young not to celebrate Valentine's Day, etc., - and hope the democratic spirit of our Constitution holds the forte and any threat to the democratic freedom is opposed tooth and nail.

Prof. Ram Puniyani is a member of EKTA (Committee for Communal Amity), Mumbai . This article was first published on 14 August, 2001 in
The Hindu
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[Thorwaywhobia]

I've heard the Germs in the Ganges river are so big and strong that they could smack you in the face and knock your brains out.

[secondmortgagek]

I've heard the Germs in the Ganges river are so big and strong that they could smack you in the face and knock your brains out.

You think its a joke bro? The Indian govt is spending 15,000 crores or $ 3 billion for its cleaning, read it here:
"The Union government is confident of getting the holy Ganga river cleaned by 2020. Rs 15,000 crore will be spent for this purpose under the river development fund," environment minister Jairam Ramesh said. The Centre plans to save the river by making it nirmal (clean) and aviral ( free flowing), he said. http://articles.timesofindia.indiati...a-sewage-dhara

Can you imagine? India is one of the world's poorest nations where people STILL die of hunger and malnutrition...do you get the picture now? If not for their practices, all that money could be spent on some real development.