[jacknates]

I know this subject has been discussed many a times on this forum but i have literally have had it upto my neck.

Salafi brothers at my local are sometimes too plain ignorant, they absolutely pay no attention to joining shoulders, it is always their feet that is spread so wide trying to touch their neighbours to the extent that their shoulders are not touching.

After Salah today they jumped onto the topic of joining the ankles and it's importance with me ( because i didn't join it with them ). Just say it went on for an hour long debate.

I find elder generation Salafis tend to be abit more leniant and more understanding of differences than the young ego-fied Salafi Brothers.

I know it's the last few days of Ramadhan but i had to get this off my chest.

[jobsfancy]

The Ahadith

1. Hadhrat Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: Straighten the sufoof, line up the shoulders, close the gaps and become tender in the hands of your brothers. Do not leave any gaps for shaitaan. Whoever joins the saff, Allah will join him. And whoever cuts the saff Allah will cut him. (Bukhari & Abu Dawood)

5. Abul Qaasim Jadli (rahmatullah alayh) said :I heard Nu’maan Bin Basheer (radhiyallahu anhu) say: ‘Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) turned towards the people (the musallis) and say three times: ‘By Allah! Most certainly, you should straighten your sufoof otherwise Allah will create discord in your hearts.’ Thereafter I saw that a man would attach his shoulder to the shoulder of his companion (the one standing alongside), his knee to the knee of his companion and his ankle to the ankle of his companion. (Bukhari & Abu Dawood)

7. Maalik Ibn Abi Aamir Ansaari (radhiyallahu anhu) narrates: Uthmaan Bin Affaan (radhiyallahu anhu) would recite in his Khutbah: ‘When the Salaat is ready, arrange the sufoof properly and line up with the shoulders’ (i.e. the shoulders of the musallis should all be in line and touching). (Muatta Imaam Muhammad) http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/detdisfeet.htm

there is a nice article in the above link, read it properly and try to understand it then beat the **** out of them salafis after taraweeh tonight


:/JK

[beenBinybelia]

If they are ignorant brothers who insist on arguing, just tell them, "Sorry, I don't have time to debate with ignoramuses." Either it will make them feel good about themselves (thinking that they "won"), or it will make them question their own conviction. Either way, you wont be wasting your time.

[eduptultyt]

my take on this is that Allah will look far beyond physical. Those kids that sway a lot during prayer? Their hearts are much purer than rest of us who stand still in the prayer. Who knows that because of their prayers, our prayers are accepted. Let them do whatever they do, just concentrate on our prayer. If they make you lose your sabr, make du'a in your heart that Allah forgive them and you and Allah will soften our hearts.

[jacknates]

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/detdisfeet.htm

there is a nice article in the above link, read it properly and try to understand it then beat the **** out of them salafis after taraweeh tonight


:/JK

Im dreading Taraweeh tonight. They messed my night up last night, they will do it again tonight.

for link.

If they are ignorant brothers who insist on arguing, just tell them, "Sorry, I don't have time to debate with ignoramuses." Either it will make them feel good about themselves (thinking that they "won"), or it will make them question their own conviction. Either way, you wont be wasting your time.

They are youths aged 17 to 20. I know if i take it full on, they will end up most likely leaving the Deen. They have no sort of Adab in their speech just argumentation.

It's my local (whom are all Hanafis) and they are having influence on the young generations, so we the elder generation decided to step up. We will tackle this issue - but after Ramadhan.

[Kalobbis]

They are youths aged 17 to 20. I know if i take it full on, they will end up most likely leaving the Deen. They have no sort of Adab in their speech just argumentation.

It's my local (whom are all Hanafis) and they are having influence on the young generations, so we the elder generation decided to step up. We will tackle this issue - but after Ramadhan.

bro,

Perhaps you can tackle the issue of argumentation first then discuss about differences in the opinions. Stress on the importance of Good manners. they will understand.

[jacknates]

my take on this is that Allah will look far beyond physical. Those kids that sway a lot during prayer? Their hearts are much purer than rest of us who stand still in the prayer. Who knows that because of their prayers, our prayers are accepted. Let them do whatever they do, just concentrate on our prayer. If they make you lose your sabr, make du'a in your heart that Allah forgive them and you and Allah will soften our hearts.

Theyr're hearts would have been purer if they kept themselves to themselves. But bringing up an argument with people your senior is complete idiotic.

They are over-enthusiasts - who are not concentrating on Salah but rather how to debunk the fellow next to them praying against their way, hence their approachment to me after Salah (which in itself speaks volumes of their kushoo' in prayer).

Yes all of out hearts need to be pure.

May Allah guide us all.

And make specific du'as for these youngsters.

[jacknates]

bro,

Perhaps you can tackle the issue of argumentation first then discuss about differences in the opinions. Stress on the importance of Good manners. they will understand.

I completely stressed humility along with knowledge.

But the elder lot did invite them after Ramadhan to talk about these issues with them...so Insha-Allah it does well.

[Unoloknovagog]

Im dreading Taraweeh tonight. They messed my night up last night, they will do it again tonight.

for link.



They are youths aged 17 to 20. I know if i take it full on, they will end up most likely leaving the Deen. They have no sort of Adab in their speech just argumentation.

It's my local (whom are all Hanafis) and they are having influence on the young generations, so we the elder generation decided to step up. We will tackle this issue - but after Ramadhan.

salam

In my area they(salafi) could manage young generation(hanafi) to listen them and they influenced them to read daleel (Quran + hadith) . Sometimes they are showing hadith for many issues. For that reason in my observation many young asking questions to imam for reference. Now their target number of Eid Salat Takbir.

BTW they avoid elder person and they try to influence young generation.

jazak

[chuecaloversvv]

Salafi brothers at my local are sometimes too plain ignorant, they absolutely pay no attention to joining shoulders, it is always their feet that is spread so wide trying to touch their neighbours to the extent that their shoulders are not touching.

After Salah today they jumped onto the topic of joining the ankles and it's importance with me ( because i didn't join it with them ). Just say it went on for an hour long debate.

start talk about joining shoulder to shoulder first. and you should also join(doesnt mean touch or press) but keep the feets closer.

[jacknates]

start talk about joining shoulder to shoulder first. and you should also join(doesnt mean touch or press) but keep the feets closer.

I actually do join feet with my Salafi Brethren, and always have. but it is just that the shoulders are more improtant. When you keep looking down constantly at the feet seeing if it is touching or not without paying attention to the shoulders, then it's awful - and shows a person doesn't have his priorities set.

[DenisLevvin]

Is there any proof from classical fiqh texts stating one should join the shouders in the row?

[Antelpebabe]

This happens to me almost everytime i go to the masjid and end up praying next to certain women. My friend ended up next to me in the line, and i was the first one, so when she came next to me she immediately lunged out with her right food and put her foot right next to/on top of mine. I could feel her toenail digging into my foot and her feet were spread so wide that I couldnt touch shoulders with her, so i moved away just a bit to take my foot from under hers while keeping as close as possible, because it is very distracting to feel someone wiggling their toes and scratching your feet during salah. Its also incredibly annoying and it makes me have to struggle so much harder to stay focused. Ive never said something because I dont know the fiqh of this in detail but i think common sense would tell us that we shouldnt be stepping on each other or half-ways doing splits in salah. I also never said anything more than once because they tend not to listen. I just move my foot away if it is distracting me.