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Old 11-24-2011, 12:23 PM   #1
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Default The decline of the ummah and it's reasons
If we analyze the reason for the downfall of the ummah today what are the reasons and what is the way out of this rot.

1.Abandoning salah. The majority of people have abandoned 5 times salah and even those that do pray many of them do not pray in the masjids especially related to fajr prayer. The statistics of salah in Saudi Arabia, The gulf and Yemen is pretty good in comparison to the indopak and the west where maybe we would be lucky to have even 5% who pray 5 times a day

The solution to this problem ; Only grassroots movement successful in this regard has been the tablighi jamaat and thus to bring back salah in people's life the only solution I can think of is more involvement in tablighi activities and more encouragement for all those who do not observe salah.

2. Abandoning hijab/niqab. This is more related to women folk.
The solution to this problem ;A lot to do with modernism, media and just general weakness of imaan. The solution for this would also be more efforts in the masturaat jamaat, more halqahs for sisters, more female institutes which produce proper scholars who can work on the women.

3. The anti-islamic policies of many countries.
The solution to this problem ;More complex issue

4. Interest
The solution to this problem ;Muslim organizations need to create more awareness in this regard. Ulema and khateebs need to dedicate more talks/friday sermons on this topic. Muslim businessmen and intellects need to come up with an alternative system. It is easy saying interest is haraam but a viable solution needs to be presented.

5. Major problems in dealings, social ettiquetes, manners
The solution to this problem ;Seems that sufi mashaikh are best at this job. They need to be promoted and their messege spread to all corners of the world.

6. Education system
The solution to this problem ;This is maybe the biggest factor in my own limited understanding which is responsible for the sad fate of the muslim ummah. Pious muslims need to get into teaching and establish Muslim schools where the standards are very high but at the same time the roohani atmosphere is also there.

7. Abandoning jihad
The solution to this problem ;This topic is obvious to any person. All the quranic ayats and ahadeeth on this topic are almost hidden from the view of the public. A future islamic state inshallah should establish training camps for all youth where basic training in firearms, survivial etc is given. Also the rules of jihad should be explained clearly and its fazaail so it is clearly to all that targetting civilians is not allowed etc and how a muslim must behave appropriately even in war.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:30 PM   #2
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Shaikh the points raised by you in some of recent threads are very timely but to my limited knowledge they are all inter connected. In my view it will be more beneficial to have all of these discussion collected at a single thread. At present a person bumping into one of these threads will benefit from only a fraction of the thoughts gathered in these threads.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:37 PM   #3
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Simple solution
1. Follow due process in everything (relegious and wordly activities)
2. Adopt a tolarent demeaner
3. Train ones naffs under being a guidance of Shaikh of Tassawuf and respect and learn from Scholars of Shariah (seassoned and qualfied)
4. Do not live in the past so address most pressing issue in an inteligent and wise manner and have emotion checked and controlled
5. Scholars need to connect to academics & intelectual and vice versa.
6. Develop conviction to stay away from riba as much as possible and ignore anyone who makes money with interest by not reffering to them for any relegious or wordly advice
7. Integration under the guidance of seassoned qualified local scholar with the wider society. Avoid forigne based scholars when dealing with local issues. Be more active in common good causes by being visible in this venture.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:43 PM   #4
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Simple solution
1. Follow due process in everything (relegious and wordly activities)
2. Adopt a tolarent demeaner
3. Train ones naffs under being a guidance of Shaikh of Tassawuf and respect and learn from Scholars of Shariah (seassoned and qualfied)
4. Do not live in the past so address most pressing issue in an inteligent and wise manner and have emotion checked and controlled
5. Scholars need to connect to academics & intelectual and vice versa.
6. Develop conviction to stay away from riba as much as possible and ignore anyone who makes money with interest by not reffering to them for any relegious or wordly advice
7. Integration under the guidance of seassoned qualified local scholar with the wider society. Avoid forigne based scholars when dealing with local issues. Be more active in common good causes by being visible in this venture.
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Old 11-24-2011, 12:45 PM   #5
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If we analyze the reason for the downfall of the ummah today what are the reasons and what is the way out of this rot.

1.Abandoning salah. The majority of people have abandoned 5 times salah and even those that do pray many of them do not pray in the masjids especially related to fajr prayer. The statistics of salah in Saudi Arabia, The gulf and Yemen is pretty good in comparison to the indopak and the west where maybe we would be lucky to have even 5% who pray 5 times a day

The solution to this problem ; Only grassroots movement successful in this regard has been the tablighi jamaat and thus to bring back salah in people's life the only solution I can think of is more involvement in tablighi activities and more encouragement for all those who do not observe salah.

2. Abandoning hijab/niqab. This is more related to women folk.
The solution to this problem ;A lot to do with modernism, media and just general weakness of imaan. The solution for this would also be more efforts in the masturaat jamaat, more halqahs for sisters, more female institutes which produce proper scholars who can work on the women.

3. The anti-islamic policies of many countries.
The solution to this problem ;More complex issue

4. Interest
The solution to this problem ;Muslim organizations need to create more awareness in this regard. Ulema and khateebs need to dedicate more talks/friday sermons on this topic. Muslim businessmen and intellects need to come up with an alternative system. It is easy saying interest is haraam but a viable solution needs to be presented.

5. Major problems in dealings, social ettiquetes, manners
The solution to this problem ;Seems that sufi mashaikh are best at this job. They need to be promoted and their messege spread to all corners of the world.

6. Education system
The solution to this problem ;This is maybe the biggest factor in my own limited understanding which is responsible for the sad fate of the muslim ummah. Pious muslims need to get into teaching and establish Muslim schools where the standards are very high but at the same time the roohani atmosphere is also there.

7. Abandoning jihad
The solution to this problem ;This topic is obvious to any person. All the quranic ayats and ahadeeth on this topic are almost hidden from the view of the public. A future islamic state inshallah should establish training camps for all youth where basic training in firearms, survivial etc is given. Also the rules of jihad should be explained clearly and its fazaail so it is clearly to all that targetting civilians is not allowed etc and how a muslim must behave appropriately even in war.
Solution: Amr bil M'aroof and Nahi anil Munkar.
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Old 11-24-2011, 01:49 PM   #6
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All this problems we face is due to basically one reason: Lack of TAQWA (fear of Allah).


Solution is what Allah commands us: Ithaqullah, Fear Allah.

Do we shed tears fearing Allah while being alone?

May Allah make us among the Muttaqeen (the ones who fear Allah.)
Ameen.
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Old 11-24-2011, 02:03 PM   #7
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Assalamu alaikum,

I am not certain that the all items listed by brother London are necessarily causes of the downfall of the ummah. I believe most of them are manifestation of the downfall - i.e. the downfall is known and can be seen by the items listed. They are the downfall. The root cause(s) is (are) more fundamental and fewer. I would say the root cause is weakness of imaan in akhirah and love of the world. Just my opinion. There are many ways to look at this.
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:06 PM   #8
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If we analyze the reason for the downfall of the ummah today what are the reasons and what is the way out of this rot.

1.Abandoning salah. The majority of people have abandoned 5 times salah and even those that do pray many of them do not pray in the masjids especially related to fajr prayer. The statistics of salah in Saudi Arabia, The gulf and Yemen is pretty good in comparison to the indopak and the west where maybe we would be lucky to have even 5% who pray 5 times a day

The solution to this problem ; Only grassroots movement successful in this regard has been the tablighi jamaat and thus to bring back salah in people's life the only solution I can think of is more involvement in tablighi activities and more encouragement for all those who do not observe salah.

2. Abandoning hijab/niqab. This is more related to women folk.
The solution to this problem ;A lot to do with modernism, media and just general weakness of imaan. The solution for this would also be more efforts in the masturaat jamaat, more halqahs for sisters, more female institutes which produce proper scholars who can work on the women.

3. The anti-islamic policies of many countries.
The solution to this problem ;More complex issue

4. Interest
The solution to this problem ;Muslim organizations need to create more awareness in this regard. Ulema and khateebs need to dedicate more talks/friday sermons on this topic. Muslim businessmen and intellects need to come up with an alternative system. It is easy saying interest is haraam but a viable solution needs to be presented.

5. Major problems in dealings, social ettiquetes, manners
The solution to this problem ;Seems that sufi mashaikh are best at this job. They need to be promoted and their messege spread to all corners of the world.

6. Education system
The solution to this problem ;This is maybe the biggest factor in my own limited understanding which is responsible for the sad fate of the muslim ummah. Pious muslims need to get into teaching and establish Muslim schools where the standards are very high but at the same time the roohani atmosphere is also there.

7. Abandoning jihad
The solution to this problem ;This topic is obvious to any person. All the quranic ayats and ahadeeth on this topic are almost hidden from the view of the public. A future islamic state inshallah should establish training camps for all youth where basic training in firearms, survivial etc is given. Also the rules of jihad should be explained clearly and its fazaail so it is clearly to all that targetting civilians is not allowed etc and how a muslim must behave appropriately even in war.


mashallah these are very good observations and the solutions are good as well. the list can be worked on and the solutions improved but definitely a very good starting point.

the next step is for the ulama to take notice and take these advice onboard. good luck there!
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:13 PM   #9
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aaww,

Just from my own experience.
I missed out on reading most kitabs regarding massail because i joined the hifz class.After staying in madressa for approx ten years i came out with little knowledge about the fundamentals of Islam.
First and foremost i thank ALLAH SWT for guiding me via a couple of ways.

First was the knowledge i acquired from a copy of Bahisti Zewar that use to be in my front room.

Secondly it was by means of spending time in the path of ALLAH SWT with tabligh jamaat.Even after acquiring the masaail via Bahisti Zewar it was only when i was accepted for going out in tabligh that
i realised and understood ISLAM and my purpose in life.

I think that in most cases our madrassa churn out loads of students who can read arabic but in general not many come out with a true understanding of the basics as regards to ISLAM.
When i say basics i mean reading salah,being honest,having good manners,how to behave in masjid,avoiding interest.(a lot of these have also been mentioned by brother London 786)

I think everyone should spend some time in tabligh jamaat as part of the madrassa system to bring some practical ISLAM into their lives.

Also it is a duty for the parents to have worry and concern for their own children and not leave everything in the hands of the teachers.

Finally i think most of us do not read enough about ISLAM and therefore never really understand that this life is very short and time is ticking away.
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:14 PM   #10
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mashallah these are very good observations and the solutions are good as well. the list can be worked on and the solutions improved but definitely a very good starting point.

the next step is for the ulama to take notice and take these advice onboard. good luck there!
The solution is for the whole ummah to take the advice on board, not just ulamah.

We all need to take responsibility and not just pass the buck.
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:36 PM   #11
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Divine providence I feel here.
1. Salaah
7. Jihaad
I so miss Taliban here.
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:53 PM   #12
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The solution is for the whole ummah to take the advice on board, not just ulamah.
who is going to lead the ummah? the juhala or the ulama?
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:56 PM   #13
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The solution is for the whole ummah to take the advice on board, not just ulamah.
Yup, its for the ENTIRE ummah.

1) the main thing is definitely salaah.
solution: already given.

2) another factor is consuming haraam (dua's are not accepted if one eats haraam.)
solution: check and re-check what you yourself eat. make people aware of what is haraam, (tabligh jamaat and ulama can play a great role in this)
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Old 11-24-2011, 11:19 PM   #14
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who is going to lead the ummah? the juhala or the ulama?
No one is going to follow the ulamah if they are always blamed for everything that's wrong with the world.
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Old 11-25-2011, 05:10 AM   #15
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No one is going to follow the ulamah if they are always blamed for everything that's wrong with the world.


Knowledge is power and the knowledge is with the Ulema. If it was left to the laymen to determine a way out of the messy problems we are in, we'd never get there. The Ulema need to unite against these common problems and start focusing on them and only then will the layman turn his attention towards them. If no one tells us about jihad from the minbar, where are we supposed to go to learn about it? Because high school teachers won't tell us, that's for sure. And if no tells us, pretty sure most won't care about it. Same with Sharia, or khilafa. Go to the common Muslim growing up in the UK and you mention khilafah to the guy and he doesn't know what your talking about, unless he's arab or religious and these two groups do not make up the majority of our UK community

When people only rarely stand up and tell us about the need for an Islamic State or the need to defend the weak but instead focus on whether mawlid is bidah or not, the layman cannot take the majority of the blame for the inactivity of most of the Ummah

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Old 11-25-2011, 05:21 AM   #16
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Let's start with self. Let's improve our mannerism (akhlaq). Let's pursue knowledge in order to live the sunnah so that we can be closer to Allah through improved mannerism and the right way of doing ibadah according to the sunnah. And let's also promote this to our family, friends and community.

Also we have to organize the masses to do the right thing, for example to promote/advertise good quality products from our Muslim brothers/sisters. If we don't have the political power to practice the sunnah, then don't just lie back and wait for the political power to come. Let's do what we personally have the capacity of doing it while waiting for the big moments .

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