[Gabbavnf]

Salaam aleikom brothers and sisters, i have a question on the next hadeeth:



Sahih Muslim vol.4:6297 p.1373.

"Anas b. Malik reported that there was an orphan girl with Umm Salaim (who was the mother of Anas). Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) saw that orphan girl and said: O, it is you; you have grown young. May you not advance in years! That slave-girl
returned to Umm Sulaim weeping. Umm Sulaim said: O daughter, what is
the matter with you? She said: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon
him) has invoked curse upon me that I should not grow in age and
thus I would never grow in age, or she said, in my (length) of life.
Umm Sulaim went out wrapping her head-dress hurriedly until she met
Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said to her: Umm
Sulaim, what is the matter with you? She said: Allah’s Apostle, you
invoked curse upon my orphan girl. He said: Umm Sulaim, what is
that? She said: She (the orphan girl) states you have cursed her
saying that she might not grow in age or grow in life. Allah’s
Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and then said: Umm Sulaim,
don’t you know that I have made this term [deal] with my Lord. And
the term with my Lord is that I said to Him: I am a human being and
I am pleased just as a human being is displeased and I lose temper
just as a human being loses temper, so for any person from amongst
my Umma whom I curse and he in no way deserves it, let that, O Lord,
be made a source of purification and purify and nearness to (Allah)
on the Day of Resurrection.

I wanne know if this translation of the hadeeth correct and what reason had the Prophet saw for saying this, perhaps someone knows the background of this orphan girl. I am having some strange feelings of confusion in myself, since i believe the Prophet saw is the best example to follow, i am having some confused feelings to see the Prophet saw in this hadeeth cursing a orphan girl, especially since she was a believer, and in all other hadeeth i see the prophet saw as such a lovely person who completely controls his anger, perhaps the expression used by the prophet was ment not literal , but more like "the young orphan girl was so kind and sweet to see as a little girl" , that the Prophet said with good intentions in a kinda funny way "May you not advance in years" , the orphan girl so misunderstood this and ...etc

perhaps some brothers and sisters here now more on this hadeeth.

wa salam

[MrGunjMan_]

Salaam Aleikom everyone, i am having a kinda strange feeling and i am a bit confused on a subject. Recently i am interested in sufism & the science of purification of the heart. Now i read that a musim must control his anger and jeeous feelings etc. I heard sufi masters are the one who don't hit back when someone hits them in the face, their the ones who control all these wrong feelings. I also now islam teaches the principle of controlling anger, and we now that the Prophet is the bext example fo follow, yet im confused by the next hadeeth, which suggests that the Prophet saw cursed a orphan girl ( for a reason unknown) , me as wanne have the Prophet as best exmaple. find it hard to imagine the Prophet do this ( may Allah swt forgive me for my wrong thoughts) , but read the next hadeeth:






I wanne know it this translation of the hadeeth correct and what reason had the Prophet saw for saying this, perhaps someone knows the background of this orphan girl. I am having some strange feelings of confusion in myself, since i believe the Prophet saw is the best example to follow, i am having some confused feelings to see the Prophet saw in this hadeeth cursing a orphan girl, especially since she was a believer, and in all other hadeeth i see the prophet saw as such a lovely person who completely controls his anger, like i know those sufi masters wanne be and teach their student , the full control of one anger and wrong emotions, i hope someone can help me in understanding this hadeeth

Assalamulaikum

The hadith is saheeh. It is confirmed. It happened.

However, this is what happens when we take Hadiths on their own with no understanding. I am not a scholar/sheikh/alim but if you just look at Sahih Muslim Volume 4 there is a whole chapter on this issue where if the Prophet Muhammad cursed someone and they did not deserve it, it will serve as reward for them on the Day of Judgement!

We have to stop taking hadiths and incidents of the Propehts' life and saying "oh, that can't be the case". If it is confirmed, we should accept it. And, we should try and wrap our warped, convoluted, and brain-washed minds into accepting the incident and not the other way around.

This is not a personal attack just a general statement.
May Allah forgive me if I have said anything wrong
Walaikum salaam

[Gabbavnf]

Assalamulaikum

The hadith is saheeh. It is confirmed. It happened.

However, this is what happens when we take Hadiths on their own with no understanding. I am not a scholar/sheikh/alim but if you just look at Sahih Muslim Volume 4 there is a whole chapter on this issue where if the Prophet Muhammad cursed someone and they did not deserve it, it will serve as reward for them on the Day of Judgement!

We have to stop taking hadiths and incidents of the Propehts' life and saying "oh, that can't be the case". If it is confirmed, we should accept it. And, we should try and wrap our warped, convoluted, and brain-washed minds into accepting the incident and not the other way around.

This is not a personal attack just a general statement.
May Allah forgive me if I have said anything wrong
Walaikum salaam

Aleikom salam, true akhi, i understand and have checked that chapter of Sahih Bukhari, but still this hadeeth confuses me and it doesn't tell us the reason why the prophet saw said this, which i hope to find out later.

Secondly we know the famous story of the Prophet making dua for the people who boed and threw stones at him while he was preaching the message of islam to them , Gabriel asked the Prophet if he wanted him to punish that village/city, yet the Prophet told Gabriel not to punish them, and the Prophet saw made dua for these same people who cursed him.

In this hadeeth we see the Prophet saw curse an orphan girl which is strange to see, especially when we look at other hadeeth.Unforuntately no reason is given in the hadeeth for the Prophet saying this, which is very regretfull and a problem with some other hadeeth too ( stories are sometimes partly narrated and things that way will be taken out of context and will confuse many people, like in this case perhaps is also the issue)

[MrGunjMan_]

Aleikom salam, true akhi, i understand and have checked that chapter of Sahih Bukhari, but still this hadeeth confuses me and it doesn't tell us the reason why the prophet saw said this, which i hope to find out later.

Secondly we know the famous story of the Prophet making dua for the people who boed and threw stones at him while he was preaching the message of islam to them , Gabriel asked the Prophet if he wanted him to punish that village/city, yet the Prophet told Gabriel not to punish them, and the Prophet saw made dua for these same people who cursed him.

In this hadeeth we see the Prophet saw curse an orphan girl which is strange to see, especially when we look at other hadeeth.Unforuntately no reason is given in the hadeeth for the Prophet saying this, which is very regretfull and a problem with some other hadeeth too ( stories are sometimes partly narrated and things that way will be taken out of context and will confuse many people, like in this case perhaps is also the issue)

Assalamulaikum Brother

Alhumdulillah, I know where you are coming from. It was and still is the most difficult thing for me. I am not sure if you have been brought up in a Western society but I used to have very ignorant beliefs. We were taught to view things in a certain way. And, this has still had its effect to this day...
We have to change our understanding and this is sometimes really difficult.

But please do not make statements such as "I can not imagine the Prophet doing that". It is really dangerous because in an indirect way it is as if one is saying that one disliked that action, yet we KNOW the Prophet (SAW) did it.

The fault lies not in The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) [aouzubillah] but ourselves.

Once again, not a personal attack.
May Allah forgive me if I have said anything wrong
Walaikum salaam

[sportlife]

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[Gabbavnf]

Aleikom salam akhi,

thx for your concerns brothers, and yes your right completely, i'm raised western like you can be raised western, i'm from Holland, and converted to islam like 1 and a half year ago.

Your right, actually i love the prophet's expression that : "that Allah swt will provide a source of mercy for those who have been cursed by the prophet, with no valid reason enough for it' . I only wonder why the prophet saw did it to that orphan girls, which gave me that confusing confeelig and feeling of misunderstanding.

I will remove indeed the phrase "i cannot imagine the prophet doing this etc.."

brothers thanks for your concerns, sometimes i just need to relief my heart and feelings.

wa salam

[sportlife]

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[Gabbavnf]

Sahih Muslim Number 1193, Narrated Aisha - Two persons visited Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) and both of them talked about a thing, of which I am not aware, but that annoyed him and he invoked curse upon both of them and hurled malediction, and when they went out I said: Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him), the good would reach everyone but it would not reach these two. He said: Why so? I said: Because you have invoked curse and hurled malediction upon both of them. He said: Don't you know that I have made condition with my Lord saying thus: O Allah, I am a human being and that for a Muslim upon whom I invoke curse or hurl malediction make it a source of purity and reward.

Sahih Muslim Number 1189, Narrated AbuBurzah al-Aslami - A slave-girl riding a dromedary and there was also the luggage of people upon it, that she suddenly saw Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) The way of the mountain was narrow and she said (to that dromedary): Go ahead (but that dromedary) did not move). She (that slave-girl), out of anger, said: O Allah, let that (dromedary) be damned. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: Let the dromedary on which the curse has been invoked not proceed with us.

Sahih Muslim Number 1190, Narrated AbuHurayrah - Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: It does not seem proper for Siddiq that he should be an invoker of curse. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of AbuKurayb with the same chain of transmitters.

Sahih Muslim Number 1191, Narrated AbudDarda - When it was night AbdulMalik got up and called for the servant. It seemed as if he (the
servant) was late (in responding to his call), so he (AbdulMalik) invoked curse upon him, and when it was morning Umm Darda' said to him: I heard you cursing your servant during the night when you called him, and she said: I heard AbudDarda' as saying that Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) said: The invoker of curse would neither be intercessor nor witness on the Day of Resurrection.

Sahih Muslim Number 1192, Narrated AbuHurayrah - It was said to Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) Invoke curse upon the polytheists, whereupon he said: I have not been sent as the invoker of curse, but "I have been sent as mercy."

Sahih Muslim Number 1195, Narrated Anas ibn Malik - There was an orphan girl living with Umm Sulaym (who was the mother of Anas). Allah's
Apostle (peace be upon him) saw that orphan girl and said: O, it is you; you have grown young. May you not advance in years! The slave-girl returned to Umm Sulaym, weeping. Umm Sulaym said: O daughter, what is the matter with you? She said: Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) has invoked a curse upon me that I should not grow in age and thus I shall never grow in age, or she said, in my (length) of life. Umm Sulaym went out, having
hurriedly wrapped her head in a shawl, to meet Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him). He said to her: Umm Sulaym, what is the matter with you? She said: Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) , you invoked a curse upon my orphan girl. He said: Umm Sulaym, what is that? She said: She (the orphan girl) states you have cursed her, saying that she might not grow in age or grow in (length of) life. Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) smiled and then said: Umm Sulaym, don't you know that I have made this stipulation with my Lord. And the stipulation with my Lord is that I said to Him: I am a human being and I am pleased just as a human being is pleased and I lose temper just as a human being loses my temper. So for any person from amongst my Ummah, whom I curse and he in no way deserves it, let that,
O Lord, be made a source of purification, purity and nearness to (Allah) on the Day of Resurrection.

Sahih Muslim Number 1196, Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas - I was playing with children and Allah's Apostle (peace be upon him) happened to pass by (us). I hid myself behind the door. He (the Prophet) came and he patted upon my shoulders and said: Go and call Mu'awiyah. I returned and said: He is busy in taking food. He again asked me to go and call Mu'awiyah to him. I went (and came back) and said that he was busy in taking food, whereupon he said: May Allah not fill his belly! Ibn Muthanna said: I asked Umm Umayyah what he meant by the word Hatani. He said: It means "he patted my shoulders".
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A few things are clear when we look at this section of Sahih Muslim:

1) The Prophet (saaw) dealt with curses very carefully in general, distancing himself from things that were accursed, and discouraging cursing.

2) The Prophet (saaw) is a human being and he recognized that as a human being at times he may get angry and say something in that state, such as a curse. Also I would just like to add that the Prophet (saaw) was an Arab and it is very obvious that the Arabs would frequently invoke curses for various reasons, so this is very much a part of his people of whom he has grown up with, learnt their language and customs, etc.

He (saaw) recognizes this and in preparation for such events, out of his care and concern for the reality of curses, but also understanding that they are sometimes uttered in anger, he prepares for this by making an agreement with Allah that when he does this and they do not deserve it, let it be a source of purity and reward for that person. So he has even included 'when they do not deserve this' because there are times when it is deserved. He recognized and dealt with his humanity strategically and this takes nothing away from him - we should know from this that he was not a mythical figure but a real flesh and blood person and he applied the guidance to his humanity, it is not only we who do that.

3) We aren't told why he cursed the orphan girl, but we can see in the other ahadith that something very insulting must have been done to anger him. Muawiya was busy taking food and not responding to the call of the Prophet (saaw), and we are told in the Qur'an to respond when called. Imagine the disrespect entailed here. The curse mentioned was that Allah does not fill his belly, which if you look at it is very fitting since he was choosing partaking in eating more food than responding to the Prophet (saaw). If anyone has any experience with people you will know that people are on different levels and at times their behavior/speech can be very ugly and if you are sincere hearted you will dislike what is wrong. So he didn't just curse the girl for no reason, we simply are not aware of the reason at this point (if someone knows please inform us), but from looking at the big picture of the situation I don't think that there need be any doubt about the Messenger (saaw).

Djazakallah akhi,

mash'allah this post, may allah swt reward you brothers and sisters here for helping me. This post and explenation clarifies a lot. I got a feeling of relief now, and happiness.

me gonne take a shower and then read QU'ran, i gotte come closer to Allah swt to resist these wrong feelings i sometimes have.

Brother "traditionalislam"thx a lot akhi for this great answer.

[MrGunjMan_]

Aleikom salam akhi,

thx for your concerns brothers, and yes your right completely, i'm raised western like you can be raised western, i'm from Holland, and converted to islam like 1 and a half year ago.

Your right, actually i love the prophet's expression that : "that Allah swt will provide a source of mercy for those who have been cursed by the prophet, with no valid reason enough for it' . I only wonder why the prophet saw did it to that orphan girls, which gave me that confusing confeelig and feeling of misunderstanding.

I will remove indeed the phrase "i cannot imagine the prophet doing this etc.."

brothers thanks for your concerns, sometimes i just need to relief my heart and feelings.

wa salam

Assalamulaikum

Jazakallah khair brother. I apologise if I caused any offence, I only did it out of love

Walaikum salaam

[Navzrrqt]

Asalamulaykum warrahmatullahi warabarakatuh...

Greeting to all my brother&sister in ukhuwah Islamiyah..

I'm browsing and found this topic, I'm just an ordinary muslim trying to learn, and with no intention to deny Sahih Muslim, Can anyone of you give me information concerning how the matan&sanad of this hadith and how the chain of narrator give Imam Muslim the conclusion of this saying authenticity?

If I'm not mistaken Hadith although Sahih but can also be defined as mutawatr and hasan (please i'm open for correction), coz of that can anyone of you give me link of Imam or reliable Islamic scholar that give clarification &explanation in how this Hadith could be defined as mutawatr?

Thanx Walaykum salam...

[emuffette]

Indeed. Reading Sahih Muslim - in translation no less- is to expose oneself to information which one cannot accurately interpret merely with a layman's comprehension. Let alone a new convert.

I converted to Islam 20 years ago and thankfully I did not purchase the Sahih Muslim collection. I recall the first 5 years or so I and some other converts used to argue over various ahadith we would bring to each other's attention. It often seemed like a major event every time this occurred. We ignorantly argued over hadith which ulama have addressed for centuries.

I have not read of nor heard nor been taught nor studied the hadith that is the focus of this discussion. I know this much:

There is sanad and there is matn regarding the authenticity validity and meaning of a single hadith.
If someone is to present a CONTROVERSY regarding a hadith, then he is encumbered to present all the information regarding it.

What did the scholars of hadith and fiqh say about this hadith, as they have surely studied and memorized and contemplated on it and addressed it in relation to authentic, famous, and established hadith of the same topic of cursing?

[elapicearpisp]

This hadith is is not accepted,Idk if it's da'eef or hasan. It also contradicts other strong ahadith. I'm pretty sure that there is some issue with the transmission of this hadith or its matn.

Also it should be remembered that the holy prophet SAW was the best of mankind,a man getting angry and cursing an orphan girl does not befit the status of Muhammad SAW.

Imam bukhari r.a. did not include this narration in his sahih,while not being criteria for something of Imam muslim's compilations to be correct,it usually confirms it more strongly.



Also in my opinion Imam Muslim r.a. included this hadith to enforce the principle that the prophet SAW was able to lose his anger and curse. This was done in order to explain the hadith of muawiyah r.a. being cursed by the prophet by saying "may allah not fill his belly".

He included all of these ahadith under the chapter heading of people being cursed unjustly by the prophet SAW ,which I do not accept from Imam Muslim.

The prophet SAW did not curse anyone unjustly or out of anger unjustly,and that these ahadith were brought by Imam muslim r.a. to explain the hadith of muawiyah r.a.

Either Imam Muslim r.a. made a mistake,or the prophet SAW was cursed people unjustly out of anger.

I take the first as this hadith contradicts stronger ahadith,and in usool al hadith and fiqh if ahaadith contradict we take amal and belief on the stronger one.


Wallahu 3alam.

[suilusargaino]

Also it should be remembered that the holy prophet SAW was the best of mankind,a man getting angry and cursing an orphan girl does not befit the status of Muhammad SAW.

Even if our beloved Rasoolullah did curse an orphan girl there will be very correct reasons for it. Remember in Suratul Kahf when Musa (as) was with Khidr (as), Khidr (as) killed a small boy and it alarmed Musa (as). But later Khidr (as) gave the correct reason for it, since the boy was born a kafir and the justification for doing so.

[elapicearpisp]

Even if our beloved Rasoolullah did curse an orphan girl there will be very correct reasons for it. Remember in Suratul Kahf when Musa (as) was with Khidr (as), Khidr (as) killed a small boy and it alarmed Musa (as). But later Khidr (as) gave the correct reason for it, since the boy was born a kafir and the justification for doing so.

You have a good point.

However the hadith mentions that the prophet SAW cursed the girl when she didn't deserve it,and thus Allah SWT rewarded the cursed by re compensation.

Thus the curse was done unjustly according to the narration.

It should also be remembered that this is only one ahad hadith,and in matters of belief these type ahadith do not always fit the criteria of accepting it as apart of aqeeda. (This is an issue of belief).

[heennaRaf]

O Brother Why you are so confused, I think you are far from Quran. You believe in Book Muslim more then your Prophet SAW. Our Prophet Muhammad SAW did not do it. It shows that our Beloved Prophet SAW was hard on children..Why should I ask from any one about its reality. I will called this rawayat as Mutashabihat. And do not try to defend this rawayat.
When ever any rawayat will decrease the the dignity of my Prophet Muhammad SAW I will through that rawayat on a wall. Quran is enough to understand the honor, politeness, kindness of our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW.

[suilusargaino]

People should also understand many things that our beloved Rasoolullah did was to TEACH us. I do not doubt the hadith. Neither do I doubt our beloved Rasoolullah 's infallibility. He is such a good person that he goes one step further to Teach us Islam and the way of Muslims. This particular incident was to teach us that If someone is cursed undeservingly then he/she doesn't have to worry Allah will protect. It doesn't matter the status of the person who curses since our beloved Rasoolullah himself teaches that even His curse will be invalid if the curse is undeserving. We should understand the whole incedent was to teach us this lesson.

Remember the Hadith where our Beloved Rasoolullah did not come for Taraweeh so that it is not made into Faradh. All these are incidents that Rasoolullah did is to teach us lesson.

Allahu Alam.