[LkEHaduy]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J01xi...layer_embedded

Your views (on just the bit about the Kiswa' bearing the name of the King) would be appreciated. Oh and please excuse the choice of words in the video.

wa

[Htb48JBf]

You already have an alternate "Kabbah" so you can visit that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBp1QsPeqQk

You can also visit the Shrine of Abul Lulu , the Majosi who killed Umer Ibn Al-khithaab ra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KYtm6I4F0


For the history and calligraphy of Kiswa' one may read the following
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/2321112...name/Kiswa.pdf

[Carfanate]

The King's Name on the Kiswa' - Is that video for REAL?
Oh My Allah ...

[LkEHaduy]

*sigh*

Why must we go through this every single time? I don't know what those people are doing and I can't comment on it. What I do know is that they have these 'copies' of the Kaaba for practicing the rites before Haajis actually go for Hajj (and they have someone learned in fiqh accompanying them to point out mistakes, so they don't do them in their actual Hajj). They have one in Iran (I think) and one in Indonesia as well.

Any way, my intent wasn't to mock anyone. I'm merely asking what people think of the King's name being written on the Kiswa'. I mean, I grew up thinking that all of them were verses of the Qur'an.

[Htb48JBf]

*sigh*



Any way, my intent wasn't to mock anyone. I'm merely asking what people think of the King's name being written on the Kiswa'.

Its not "king's" name. Its " Khadim Al Harmain Sharifain's name.

[sportsbettinge]

astaghfirullah! imagine so many millions of people making tawaaf of the kabah and being made to make tawaaf of the kings name!! what has happened to their cries of bidah and shirk now?

as for the shia. you guys are just as bad as the wahabis. i invite you to come to the truth and follow the way of the salaf as explained by the 4 imams of the ahle sunnah wal jamaat.

dr.ati......please explain this bidah and borderline shirk.

[Alice_Medichi34]

The reference is not to the King of Saudi Arabia but to the Custodian of the two Holy Mosques.
Also, I don t understand where the problem is that The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosque name is mentionned, just to say that he offered the Kiswa to the Kaaba

[Rqqneujr]

Its not "king's" name. Its " Khadim Al Harmain Sharifain's name.

And the "khadim al-haramin sharifain" happens to be the King of "Sa'udi" Arabia.

Don't split hairs.

[DaleJrGirl]

There is a kalimah (LailahaillAllah Muhammad rasulullah) inside the Ka'abah

[sandracuk]

I think the point is that if, for example, Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani had donated to a masjid and they had put up a sign in the mihrab saying "this mihrab is a gift to such-and-such masjid by Shaykh abdul qadir jilani", the salafis would have a field day shouting about how "bidati sufis" pray to the name of their shaykh or some other nonsense. These are also the same salafis who object to hanging up the glorious name of Muhammad in houses and masajid because it's "bida" and can lead to "shirk". But when it's their beloved criminals from the house of Saud, they will come up with 1,000 excuses.

[LkEHaduy]

astaghfirullah! imagine so many millions of people making tawaaf of the kabah
as for the shia. you guys are just as bad as the wahabis. i invite you to come to the truth and follow the way of the salaf as explained by the 4 imams of the ahle sunnah wal jamaat.

And why exactly am I worse than them?

As for putting the King's name on the Kiswa', I see it as putting a 'trademark' on it. People put their names on their 'gifts' so that the person on the receiving end of it remembers who it is by.
So either the King thinks that he will not get his thawab' until he makes sure he has his name written on the gift, or he is putting it there for someone else to see. Some 'Khadim al Haramain' he is.

[Htb48JBf]

dr.ati......please explain this bidah and borderline shirk.

Kindly , first establish that this act is Bidah and "border line shirk" through your own arguements or the fatwa of your scholars then i will explain it

[vodaPlaps]

It is an uncouth thing to do. But it cannot be called Bida' or Shirk.
WS.

[Stengapsept]

*sigh*

Why must we go through this every single time? I don't know what those people are doing and I can't comment on it. What I do know is that they have these 'copies' of the Kaaba for practicing the rites before Haajis actually go for Hajj (and they have someone learned in fiqh accompanying them to point out mistakes, so they don't do them in their actual Hajj).

I know what you are saying but that shia kabba video was NOT for hajj training.

They have one in Iran (I think) and one in Indonesia as well. That is different.

Wasalam Alaikum,

[Phlkxkbh]

I think the point is that if, for example, Shaykh Abdul Qadir Jilani had donated to a masjid and they had put up a sign in the mihrab saying "this mihrab is a gift to such-and-such masjid by Shaykh abdul qadir jilani", the salafis would have a field day shouting about how "bidati sufis" pray to the name of their shaykh or some other nonsense. These are also the same salafis who object to hanging up the glorious name of Muhammad in houses and masajid because it's "bida" and can lead to "shirk". But when it's their beloved criminals from the house of Saud, they will come up with 1,000 excuses.

Well-said, congratulation!

[LkEHaduy]

I know what you are saying but that shia kabba video was NOT for hajj training.

Maybe you can tell us what's going on in the video then? Because I honestly don't know. What it seems like is that they've made a replica of a Ka'aba, which could be for training (and a training session is not going on at the time the video was made) or it could be in memory of the real Ka'aba, pretty much how people have wall hangings of the Ka'aba's door in their houses, etc.

wa

[Htb48JBf]

Maybe you can tell us what's going on in the video then? Because I honestly don't know. What it seems like is that they've made a replica of a Ka'aba, which could be for training (and a training session is not going on at the time the video was made) or it could be in memory of the real Ka'aba, pretty much how people have wall hangings of the Ka'aba's door in their houses, etc.

wa

"replica of a Ka'aba, which could be for training (and a training session is not going on at the time the video was made)"

Could not you come with something more funny?

[LkEHaduy]

"replica of a Ka'aba, which could be for training (and a training session is not going on at the time the video was made)"

Could not you come with something more funny?

Puhleeze! Your naivety and lack of knowledge is your own problem. Laugh all you want at yourself.

[Htb48JBf]

Puhleeze! Your naivety and lack of knowledge is your own problem. Laugh all you want at yourself.

come on shia boy , let me do a quick analysis of your brain tissue after removing the frost of "Taqiyya" from it. This is how you babbled some Gibberish which made me laugh.

1. People in Iran made a fake Kaaba' to "practice" Hajj.

2.Accidentally , when that video was made , the practice session was not going on.

3. And you expect people to accept this ****?

[LkEHaduy]

Peace.

وَعِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الَّذِينَ يَمْشُونَ عَلَى الْأَرْضِ هَوْنًا وَإِذَا خَاطَبَهُمُ الْجَاهِلُونَ قَالُوا سَلَامًا
The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer: Peace;(25:63)