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Egyptian Salafist figure storms student concert, reignites debate over Music in Islam
Friday, 18 November 2011

-Al Arabiya
Dubai

The debate over music in Islam, forbidden or sanctioned, has resurfaced in the Egyptian media after popular Egyptian Islamic Salafist scholar Hazem Shoman stormed the stage of a concert last Tuesday, telling the audience that what they were watching was sinful.

Students at Nile Academy campus in the city of Mansoura were surprised when Shoman took the stage of Hisham Abbas’ concert “advising” them that music is “haram,” or forbidden in Islam, and that they should not be watching or listening to it.

The students reportedly responded with chants against the scholar, and in order to prevent the escalation of the situation, the academy’s vice president Mohamed Abdel Ghaffar and other officials interfered and persuaded Shoman to vacate the venue.

In a TV interview by Nile channel, Shoman later said that he was “shocked” to enter the concert hall and see female dancers mixing with men.

He said that he decided to give “advices” to the concert’s youth whom he described as responsive to his concerns. According to him, the concert was later canceled after the withdrawal of a “sizeable group of the attendees.”

Khalid Saeed, a spokesman for the Salafi Front, hailed Shoman’s “good behavior” but said Shoman only represented himself as an individual Salafi advocator.

But Saeed told the electronic al-Ahram newspaper that the concert is “unacceptable” and that it was “full of sins” with both genders mixing.

Prominent Islamic figure Salim al-Awa, likewise, said Shoman’s behavior was his own and did not represent any religious or political bloc in the country and that whether singing is forbidden in Islam was still an unresolved issue among the clerics and scholars.

Awa said that there was no evidence in the Quran or in the teaching of the prophet that singing is “haram,” but he said there was “evidence” that anything that leads to committing sins should be banned

[suilusargaino]

Great Scholars of Islam on Music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhveITz8Dc

I don't think there is any valid Ikhthilaf in this matter. Music is not allowed.

[unmalryAlalry]

Interesting to note how the scholars are falling over each other to isolate Shoman.

[Aluback]

Just by reeading through it, i dont see any indication that he did this in a violent manner or in a way which was oppressive or offensive, and if this is the case then this brother did " amr bil maroof wa nahi anil munkar", advised a group of muslims to fear Allah and leave this sin which is being done openly . MashAllah may Allah give us all similar strength

[sandracuk]

So sad that we Muslims can memorize the lyrics to hundreds of songs, but can't even memorize one surah from the Quran. We can stand for four or five hours jumping and screaming at a music concert, but can't stand for two hours listening to the Quran in taraweeh. Astaghfirullah.

[emuffette]

May Allah reward the alim for speaking out as he did.
The evildoers and sinners have dominated Egypt under Mubarak for 30 years. They have been given media and cultural leadership.
Islam has been sustained inspite of all the billions in media propaganda for fahsha and fisq.

There are numerous talk shows and variety shows granted to immoral sinful wretches who parade despicable degrading actors, musicians, personalities, one after another, day after day. This is the liberal 'freedom', and these despicable characters are becoming worse each year- with more degrading plastic surgery, more revealing attire, more public sexual portrayals in media, etc. Its a race to the sewers for them.
And if you think about it: not everyone attends prayer at the masjid, but nearly everyone has a TV which they can watch this filth.
Not everyone attends friday khutbah- assuming that it's poignant and relevant- but nearly everyone watches the TV, listens to radio, or reads newspapers.

Who has a greater right to propagate - the evil most despicable lot in the land, or the most knowledgeable, most pious, most upright in the land?



MUSIC is not the primary issue here- the propagation of fisq and fahsha as normal- is the issue. And as the ahadith mention, its the culmination and combination of several things which he (Saaw) expletively forbids in the ahadiath: drinking, music, dancing, mixing.

A song of a man singing praises to Allah is NOT the same as the propagation of such evil as these sewer dwellers with make up portray.

[Dweplyododo]

brother usama some non-muslim kafir collegues of mine were in the UAE and even they were shocked at the kind of fahsa available on TV and outside. I was just told the other day by a local emirati that around 40 out of 100 emiratis drinks alchohol and this statistic was told to me by more than a few people.

[Garry Richardson]

brother usama some non-muslim kafir collegues of mine were in the UAE and even they were shocked at the kind of fahsa available on TV and outside. I was just told the other day by a local emirati that around 40 out of 100 emiratis drinks alchohol and this statistic was told to me by more than a few people.

Statistics is a highly manipulative science. What was the sample size chosen by this emirati? I'm not saying that they don't drink but this thing must change.

There is a nice article in Urdu by Mufti Taqi Usmani on Statistic's highly manipulative nature and how a non opinion is shown as the majority opinion.

[Dweplyododo]

I agree with you that statistics can be manipulated but this was the general observance by the emirati brother and many emiratis told me the same things.

[Imalaycle]

brother usama some non-muslim kafir collegues of mine were in the UAE and even they were shocked at the kind of fahsa available on TV and outside. I was just told the other day by a local emirati that around 40 out of 100 emiratis drinks alchohol and this statistic was told to me by more than a few people.

Alcohol seems to fit the smaller picture aside the largely murkier drug and substance abuse these youngsters indulge in. if they dont find marijuana or other narcotic stuff they engage in Tramadol abuse.. and many of them are from good respectable families. to the point that they threaten ward nurses or duty doctors to self inflict wounds or even slash their own wrists just for one dose of of Pethidine or Tramadol.. and its a sad reality. these guys are generally in the age group of 15 - 30.

I feel the expat arabs are largely responsible for their corruption. for example if u see their women even back in the late 80's.. majority of them observed purdah.. lead modest lives even with the new found wealth. now when thier husbands took these lebanese.. Moroccans and Tunisians as their second / Third wives.. they brought these trojan horses of fitnah straight into their homes. the niqab came off.. their burqa .. turned a fashion statement adorned with swaroski crystals.

This wasnt so before as the trend was to get brides from hyderabad, India.. and obviously these ladies lead conservative lives. now with these Supermodel extravagant wives came in a culture of vanity.. they left children back home to the care of filipino or indonesian maids and enjoyed their shopping / chopping..

These kids then attended celebrirty schools like Choufiat etc.. where they pay something like 60,000 Dirhams per Annum for KIndergarten..! as opposed to the yesteryears where they were largely groomed in National Arabic schools getting thier culture as well as a dose of deen however small it would be..

so now the trend is.. Alcohol.. drugs..roadrage and rave parties at private villas with or without their western mates..

so this is the state of affairs bros.. where not far away at Fujairah Dibba, are resting a group of Sahabah who laid down their lives fighting in way of Allah

May Allah give hidaya to all..

wa assalam..

[Dweplyododo]

yes bro dr76 the actual locals are pretty good people who had some decent culture before but bro man they have been seriously corrupted by the outsiders.