[arindiruppyr]

Salam u alaikum,

I would like to know from some knowledgeable brothers about Pir Mehr Ali shah Sahib R.A of Golra Shareef, that did he outwardly clear cut ever spoke against the Maslak of Barelvi and their Bidats? I know he respected the Ulema a Deoband alot and did not believe in their Takfir, but what i am curious to know is did he come out clear cut like the Deobandi ulema on Ahmad Raza khan and rejected his Maslak, and considered him a bidati? can any references also be provided?And why can the color of barelviat be seen in his current gada nasheens and offsprings, any particular reasons behind that?or is my observation just wrong and incorrect.

[Duseshoug]

Walikum Asalam,


To my knowledge he never spoke against any Maslak of Islam. He did refute some of the beliefs of Maslak Ahle Hadees in his writings but overall he was an ambassador of Ittehad Bain nul Musimeen. May Allah shower his mercy on him. Indeed he was a Wali Allah of his time.

[Duseshoug]

This link may help answer your question

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Mehr-Ali-Shah

[arindiruppyr]

so basically the impression i get is his stance was like the Habaib of Yemen or Shaykha Yaqubi of syria, that they would agree with both Deobandis and Barelvis, do not believe the takfir was correct on Deobandi ulema, but also think that the barelvi aqaid are correct and does not make them fall into ahlul bida. Is this conclusion and impression of mine correct?

[KuRoregioNka]

السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَ بَرَكَاتُه

I have read most of the threads relating to Hadhrat on SF. I would like to know what have our Ulama said about him and if possible can any quotes be produced.

[abouthotels]

so basically the impression i get is his stance was like the Habaib of Yemen or Shaykha Yaqubi of syria, that they would agree with both Deobandis and Barelvis, do not believe the takfir was correct on Deobandi ulema, but also think that the barelvi aqaid are correct and does not make them fall into ahlul bida. Is this conclusion and impression of mine correct?

What are you trying to do? is there a new reconciliation between Kufur and Islam.

Your clearly wrong. Read Saad's post correctly

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Mehr-Ali-Shah

[Loopyjr]

Kithe Mehr Ali kithe tere sana
Gustakh akhin kithe ja laryan

[abouthotels]

Kithe Mehr Ali kithe tere sana
Gustakh akhin kithe ja laryan

Is shaer ka kya mutlab hai bhai.

What you are trying to say?

[arindiruppyr]

What are you trying to do? is there a new reconciliation between Kufur and Islam.

Your clearly wrong. Read Saad's post correctly

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Mehr-Ali-Shah

O bhai paindoo sonch samajh kar chalang lagani chaiyeh, what iam asking is whether Pir Sahab also khulam khula said that Ahmed Raza is Biddati and refuted him thoroughly just like how our Akabir of Deoband did. Our Akabir in detail said he is a biddati, so did Pir Sahab openly came out and said that Ahmad Raza and his maslak followers are on pure bidat or not.

Allamah saab hopefully now you understand my question, bro saad's post does not answer my concern,i already know what he has mentioned.

[abouthotels]

O bhai paindoo

This is the teaching of Sufiyyh?

وَلَا تَلْمِزُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْأَلْقَابِ ۖ بِئْسَ الِاسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الْإِيمَانِ ۚ وَمَن لَّمْ يَتُبْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.

I warned you because, this the public forum, and your post was creating intensionally or unintensionally soft corner to Ahle Bidat, like you said some syrian scholar like them both (Deos and followers of 'Ala Hazard) .

And Saad's post clearly states that Pir shahab was definitely againts Ilm Ghayab of Nabi (s.a.w), which is the essential component of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi's Aqid. Then how could this principle disagreement be change into praised of 'Ala Hazard by Pir sahab, therefore your question was irrational and hazardous.

[arindiruppyr]

This is the teaching of Sufiyyh?

وَلَا تَلْمِزُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَلَا تَنَابَزُوا بِالْأَلْقَابِ ۖ بِئْسَ الِاسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الْإِيمَانِ ۚ وَمَن لَّمْ يَتُبْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames: Ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness, (to be used of one) after he has believed: And those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.

I warned you because, this the public forum, and your post was creating intensionally or unintensionally soft corner to Ahle Bidat, like you said some syrian scholar like them both (Deos and followers of 'Ala Hazard) .

And Saad's post clearly states that Pir shahab was definitely againts Ilm Ghayab of Nabi (s.a.w), which is the essential component of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi's Aqid. Then how could this principle disagreement be change into praised of 'Ala Hazard by Pir sahab, therefore your question was irrational and hazardous.

And what about the ayat of Quran that i should fit right on you " La tajasasu"...its your own wicked thinking that you thought i am trying to do something here, where as i wanted references where Pir Sahib speaks against Ahmad Raza using his name and aknowledging him as a biddati, because every now and then i come across similar people with your kind of mentality , from the barelvi maslak , so i need my proofs ready so when they start bombarding , i can show them some proofs.

Do some polishing of your mirror, so you see things in the correct manner, too much dust on it. Dont blame the outer world, cuz you will find everythign dirty, when the lenses through which you look are dirty themselves.

[Loopyjr]

Is shaer ka kya mutlab hai bhai.

What you are trying to say?

There is a story behind it.

Once Pir Mehr Ali R.A. went to his Sheikh's home & there had some sort of invitation & lot many people were there. So, in the kitchen a dog came a jumped over the flour and put his foot in that.
A cook get confused what to do with that? Reported to Sheikh of Mehr Ali R.A. He said, ask Mehr Ali R.A. And Mehr Ali R.A. said make chapati for me form the part of dog foot & use the rest one for guests.
After that Sheikh asked Mehr Ali R.A. what you advised them? He R.A. said I ate that. And Sheikh gave him faqeeri.

[abouthotels]

There is a story behind it.

Once Pir Mehr Ali R.A. went to his Sheikh's home & there had some sort of invitation & lot many people were there. So, in the kitchen a dog came a jumped over the flour and put his foot in that.
A cook get confused what to do with that? Reported to Sheikh of Mehr Ali R.A. He said, ask Mehr Ali R.A. And Mehr Ali R.A. said make chapati for me form the part of dog foot & use the rest one for guests.
After that Sheikh asked Mehr Ali R.A. what you advised them? He R.A. said I ate that. And Sheikh gave him faqeeri.

Oh, I wish I had not asked you!

All the Faqeeri, Qalandari, Abdali, Qutubi, Maktumi, ...... is in the following of Quran wa Sunnah and Pious Predecessors.