[avdddcxnelkaxz]

please for the LOVE OF ALLAH.......... just post RUMI kinda of stuff!!!!!!!!!!! plzzz for the sake that ALLAH GIVES US HIS DARDE DIL........ YA ALLAH PLZ GIVE US ALL some drop of how ur love tastes I looked for Him on the Christian cross, But he was not there.

I went to Hindu temples and shrines – but nothing.

I visited the Ka’aba in Makkah, I did not find Him.

I questioned learned scholars, but He outstripped their understanding.

Finally, when I peered into my own heart – there, and nowhere else, was His home.

[Shootohoist]

please brother, im trying to love my deobandi brothers but posts like this make it hard for me

[suilusargaino]

please for the LOVE OF ALLAH.......... just post RUMI kinda of stuff!!!!!!!!!!! plzzz for the sake that ALLAH GIVES US HIS DARDE DIL........ YA ALLAH PLZ GIVE US ALL some drop of how ur love tastes I looked for Him on the Christian cross, But he was not there.

I went to Hindu temples and shrines – but nothing.

I visited the Ka’aba in Makkah, I did not find Him.

I questioned learned scholars, but He outstripped their understanding.

Finally, when I peered into my own heart – there, and nowhere else, was His home.

What in the world is this???

[teergoBissono]

please brother, im trying to love my deobandi brothers but posts like this make it hard for me

The post doesn't reflect Deobandi thinking.

[sandracuk]

I don't understand what's so wrong about the poem. Surely it's not meant to be taken literally. It's poetry, after all.

[Shootohoist]

I don't understand what's so wrong about the poem. Surely it's not meant to be taken literally. It's poetry, after all.

what if i made a poem cursing the prophet? Would you make the same excuse? Talking filth regarding allah or his religion is kufr and unnacceptable, who in their right mind thinks this kind of kalaam would be ok, talking pure kufr like that. The holy ka'ba should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as filthy mushrik hindu temples. This also appears to be wahdatul wujood unless you have an alternate explanation of the meaning of the poem?

When salafis refute deobandis its for this very reason. There is a book called critical analysis of tablighi jama'ah and the elders of deoband. In it they dont mention madhabs, they dont even mention saying 1000 astagfirullahs and that type of stuff, because those things are minor. The whole books is filled with deobandi links to ibn arabi, rumi and the likes. I dont believe deobandis of today follow that but they need to dstance themselves completely from it because number 1 its kufr, and number 2, from experience, when i reverted to islam and looked through the groups it was deobandi links to this baatil sufism that put me off and led me to salafiyyah. Wallahi if the deobandi school distanced themselves from this they would be such a beautiful school and a great benefit to the ummah. Shirk can have no compromise however.

If i wrote poetry about your mum, wud u say whats the big deal its only poetry? Then how more so about allah and his religion, pure kufr doesnt become acceptable just because its in poetry form, otherwise what about drawing form or theatre form? Why not make the same excuse for the danish cartoons or the dutch film fitnah?

[Shootohoist]

The post doesn't reflect Deobandi thinking.

i hope ur right inshallah. Certainly its not in line with the very orthodox aqeedah in bahishti zawar that im currently reading

[alenbarbaf]

please for the LOVE OF ALLAH.......... just post RUMI kinda of stuff!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is a quote from Rumi:

It is lawful to slaughter animals for man’s benefit, or in order that he may not suffer injury from. The same rule applies to infidels and those who violate the Divine commandments. Such persons are virtually animals, since by indulging their selfish, sensual, and bestial natures they place themselves in antagonism to the spiritual reason which is the crown of humanity. Source: ''The triumphal sun: A study of the works of Jalaloddin Rumi,'' by Annemarie Schimmel. See chapter called ''Rumi's theology'.'

[Rx-Ultram]

i hope ur right inshallah. Certainly its not in line with the very orthodox aqeedah in bahishti zawar that im currently reading

Hazrat Thanwi (RA) has said somewhere, after analyzing the Traditions used in it, that Mathnawi is a book of sufism and not Islam. This should clarify the things a bit.
Wassalam

[StethyEntinic]

please brother, im trying to love my deobandi brothers but posts like this make it hard for me

It's quite interesting that most of your posts contain term "Deoband" in it

[sandracuk]

what if i made a poem cursing the prophet? Would you make the same excuse? Talking filth regarding allah or his religion is kufr and unnacceptable, who in their right mind thinks this kind of kalaam would be ok, talking pure kufr like that. The holy ka'ba should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as filthy mushrik hindu temples. This also appears to be wahdatul wujood unless you have an alternate explanation of the meaning of the poem?

No need to get all riled up, I was just asking a question, not that what you said addressed my question at all. First of all, I don't read wahdatul wujood in this poem. If it was wahdatul wujood, then he would have said that Allah was everywhere, and not just in his heart, wouldn't he? I think you're just seeing what you want to see.

Regarding cursing the Prophet ...that has nothing to do with anything here. False analogy.

Regarding this poem being filth about Allah and Islam...again, that's what you think. I don't see anything of that sort here.

Regarding the kaa'bah should not be mentioned in the same sentence as hindu temples...another non sequitur, and that's your opinion. Prove to me that it's disrespectful to do this...that's, right, you can't. This is not equating the Ka'bah to hindu temples. I believe he is saying that merely visiting the Ka'bah is not enough to gain nearness to Allah. If that were the case, the mushrikeen of makkah would have "found" Allah— but they didn't.

I don't see any kufr here, at least not in the English translation. To me, this poem is saying that Allah is so transcendant, one cannot "find" him or understand him only by outward actions and using the intellect. Rather, one can only fully experience nearness to Allah by rectifying his own heart (soul) as well. After all, the only part of the human being that has ever directly communicated with Allah is the ruh. People can visit the ka'bah, but if they don't have taqwa/consciousness of Allah (a condition of the heart), there is little benefit, for the same reason that there's only real benefit in the portion of salah where the musalli is attentive, for example.

I don't know Farsi, so I don't know if the original poem has any other connotations.

Anyway, that's just my interpretation. But my whole point in all of this was no need to see kufr where there is none.

[Mark_NyB]

No need to get all riled up, I was just asking a question, not that what you said addressed my question at all. First of all, I don't read wahdatul wujood in this poem. If it was wahdatul wujood, then he would have said that Allah was everywhere, and not just in his heart, wouldn't he? I think you're just seeing what you want to see.

Regarding cursing the Prophet ...that has nothing to do with anything here. False analogy.

Regarding this poem being filth about Allah and Islam...again, that's what you think. I don't see anything of that sort here.

Regarding the kaa'bah should not be mentioned in the same sentence as hindu temples...another non sequitur, and that's your opinion. Prove to me that it's disrespectful to do this...that's, right, you can't. This is not equating the Ka'bah to hindu temples. I believe he is saying that merely visiting the Ka'bah is not enough to gain nearness to Allah. If that were the case, the mushrikeen of makkah would have "found" Allah— but they didn't.

I don't see any kufr here, at least not in the English translation. To me, this poem is saying that Allah is so transcendant, one cannot "find" him or understand him only by outward actions and using the intellect. Rather, one can only fully experience nearness to Allah by rectifying his own heart (soul) as well. After all, the only part of the human being that has ever directly communicated with Allah is the ruh. People can visit the ka'bah, but if they don't have taqwa/consciousness of Allah (a condition of the heart), there is little benefit, for the same reason that there's only real benefit in the portion of salah where the musalli is attentive, for example.

I don't know Farsi, so I don't know if the original poem has any other connotations.

Anyway, that's just my interpretation. But my whole point in all of this was no need to see kufr where there is none.

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته أخي الفاضل

Ma sha Allah brother, barakAllahu fik for your post ^^.

[QXCharles]

Asalamu 'Alaykum,

Mufti Taqi says in Spiritual Discourses, "the Mathnawi is an inspired book" and "Mawlana Thanawi says this book must be read."

[Vol. 4, part 6, page 107]

wa-salaam,
Fazal

[heilyprollecyspor]

salam

seriously take a deep breath now think...what on earth is wrong with this poem???? the author is making a point no one is literally saying that allah is anywhere (be it a heart or a temple). if you want to understand the poem in it's proper sense think abt the ayah that says that "allah is with the patient". also something you might want to think abt, in islamic literature the heart is often used to mean a spiritual thing or the soul rather than the physical pump in your chest.

seriously this is poetry, this is not meant to be a work of fiqh some poeple really can't tell the difference sometimes.

http://alternativeentertainment.word...her-she-awoke/

[Shootohoist]

astagfirullah. A lot of people warned me against going to deobandis because they secretly hide and defend shirk and are more concerned with debating wahhabis about taqleed then they are of removing shirk from their ranks. I tried to have husnal dhaan and thought 'nah, just a few small differences in aqeedah and more leniency in liberally using dhickr in different forms than originally intended' but subhanallah your trying to defend and jusfy SHIRK!!!

If you want i can start to bring some clear cur kufr and shirk contained in these types of poetry but ur only going to reinterpret it to suit your desires. You need to let go of this shirk, allah isnt going to ereward you for this, you face serious punishment in the hellfire, its not a joke. Remember the hadeeth where the muslims wanted a tree to bless their weapons, remember what the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam said. I advise you all to find this hadeet and read it.

Fear allah.

That poem, how can noone see the evil in it. Talking about i went to a mushrik hindu temple and couldnt find allah there, and then went to the ka'bah and wasnt there either, what kind of kalaam is this. Its talking about islam like its just another religion. And its clearing implying allah resides in his heart which is a well known sufi concept of hulool which is well known amongst the sufis some of whom believe they can become one with allah, some believed in worst things like wahdatul wujood and that you can worship idols because allah dwells there and that all religions lead to the same path etc.

The extreme sufism that many of you profess to hate, it didnt begin one or two centuries ago, the likes of rumi were the godfathers of this kufr and i ask allah to curse the spreaders of shirk amongst the muslims.

Wallah i had even bought a book on bay'ah and considered maybe seeing more about sufism but these things scare me.

Im sure many of you dont agree with this, but why remain silent? Why sit there getting all heated up over ghair muqalideen but then remeain silent over shirk. If you are true muslims nothing should boil your blood more than kufr and shirk. Again i ask u to view the hadeeth of the tree and weapons, look at what the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam. The prophet told us we would follow the ways of the kuffar in shirk, do you believe this will happen and how has it materialised amongst the muslims?

I ask you brothers and sisters for the sake of allah to distance yourselves from this extreme sufism

[avdddcxnelkaxz]

astagfirullah. A lot of people warned me against going to deobandis because they secretly hide and defend shirk and are more concerned with debating wahhabis about taqleed then they are of removing shirk from their ranks. I tried to have husnal dhaan and thought 'nah, just a few small differences in aqeedah and more leniency in liberally using dhickr in different forms than originally intended' but subhanallah your trying to defend and jusfy SHIRK!!!

If you want i can start to bring some clear cur kufr and shirk contained in these types of poetry but ur only going to reinterpret it to suit your desires. You need to let go of this shirk, allah isnt going to ereward you for this, you face serious punishment in the hellfire, its not a joke. Remember the hadeeth where the muslims wanted a tree to bless their weapons, remember what the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam said. I advise you all to find this hadeet and read it.

Fear allah.

That poem, how can noone see the evil in it. Talking about i went to a mushrik hindu temple and couldnt find allah there, and then went to the ka'bah and wasnt there either, what kind of kalaam is this. Its talking about islam like its just another religion. And its clearing implying allah resides in his heart which is a well known sufi concept of hulool which is well known amongst the sufis some of whom believe they can become one with allah, some believed in worst things like wahdatul wujood and that you can worship idols because allah dwells there and that all religions lead to the same path etc.

The extreme sufism that many of you profess to hate, it didnt begin one or two centuries ago, the likes of rumi were the godfathers of this kufr and i ask allah to curse the spreaders of shirk amongst the muslims.

Wallah i had even bought a book on bay'ah and considered maybe seeing more about sufism but these things scare me.

Im sure many of you dont agree with this, but why remain silent? Why sit there getting all heated up over ghair muqalideen but then remeain silent over shirk. If you are true muslims nothing should boil your blood more than kufr and shirk. Again i ask u to view the hadeeth of the tree and weapons, look at what the prophet salallahu alayhi wassalam. The prophet told us we would follow the ways of the kuffar in shirk, do you believe this will happen and how has it materialised amongst the muslims?

I ask you brothers and sisters for the sake of allah to distance yourselves from this extreme sufism

dude you have misunderstood the whole point of the poem.......(i think)

[Shootohoist]

i know very well what the likes of rumi are about. They are the reason people are leaving the deobandis in droves to become salafis. When a young british deobandi is debating issues of taqlid and asma wassiffaat with his salafi friends, the connection to ibn arabi has almost become the secret weapon that shanks the spear of doubt straight through his heart and ultimately brings him to salafiyyah. Leave your desires and follow the haqh, involving yourselves in rumi and ibn arabi only harms yourselves. Few of the youth have any interest in this baatil. Salafiyyah was virtually non existent anywhere outside the khaleej, there is a reason why people all over the world are accepting it and you can partly thank mr rumi for it

a lot of what the deobandi have to say make sence, but they destory their credibility by making excuses for and indulging in this rubbish

just so u know, the salafi community in the uk consists of reverts, and ex barelwis and ex deobandis. Deobandis have a strong point when it comes to taqleed but u really do let urselves down and only have urselves to blame for so many youth joining the salafi dawah. Dont u ever sit and wonder why so many youth are leaving hindustani islam for salafiyyah? Why is that? Why do they have such a large following when they were no existent a few years ago?

[Rx-Ultram]

Dont u ever sit and wonder why so many youth are leaving hindustani islam for salafiyyah?

Since this is general question I'll like to hazard my answer.
They are sissies (like me)-could not take upon the responsibility of defending Islam in face of the
western onslaught.
Wassalam

[Shootohoist]

well i hardly think the western world is pinning their hopes on salafis in any way shape or form seeing as most of their funding goes to sufis and qadiyanis.

And its not dhickr beads and tarwees's that the west is combating, its shariah and khilafah, so dont think the west invented salafis to combat sufism, its more likely the other way round seeing as salafis are hardcore propagaters of shariah law and islamic states.

Anyways, i must apologise for derailing the thread. So ill bring it back on track with a couple of poems inshallah:

1 "glory to him who manifested his human nature,
hiding the piercing brightness of his divinity,
till his creation saw him openly,
in the form of one eating and drinking"

2 "i am the one who loves and the one who loves is me,
we are two spirits who dwell in a single body,
so when you see him you see me,
and when you see him you see us both"


subhanallah, so deep and spiritual.

This little poem can be found on page 130 of at tawaaseen and is written by al husayn ibn mansoor al hallaaj, declared as an ubeliever and executed by order of the ulema in the year 309 hijra

[gagagaridze]

i am personally not a fan of such poetry and can understand how it can be interpreted wrongly, and i don't think we should promote poetry where we can say that the poet should be excused because of their state of "ecstasy" or any of that mumbo jumbo

but in the case of this particular poem

brother Dawud, you keep saying people are defending shirk yet you fail to understand that they have interpreted the poem differently to you

its like for example someone says, "Allah is within my heart"

one person will interpret this to mean the love of Allah is within the persons heart

another person will say this is shirk, you believe Allah resides within you

do you see what i mean?