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Most brothers who describe themselves as salafi are ofcourse good muslims and are our brothers in religion. But the movement that has carried out acts of terrorism e.g. 7/7 and 9/11 claims to be a Salafi movement i.e they have abandoned the sunni madhabs in favour of either making their own ijtihad entirely or following a contemporary non mujtahid scholar who searches for the strongest opinion and awards preference (a form of ijtihad)

None of the jurisitc schools of Sunni Islam permits the deliberate killing of civilians during warfare. Yet this movement has fallen into such extremism through falsely claiming that this action is permitted in the Sharia. Through making their own ijtihad (which they are not qualified to do) or through following a contemporary non mujtahid scholar who has erred and given them a Shaadh opinion that is completely at odds with the ijma of the classical fuqaha.

Hence my concern is that abandoning the 4 madhabs opens the door to serious deviation and potential extremism in religion as it effectively deregulates Ijtihad and places it into the hands of those who are far less qualified than the Imams of fiqh in an era where there is far less piety. Whereas following a school of fiqh brings coherence and safety in religion.

As a result of this deregulation of ijtihad, Shaadh opinions based upon inferior scholarship are becoming more common and are used to give false justification to acts like 7/7 and 9/11

[Alexeric]

9/11 was an inside job and so was 7/7, watch ripple effect on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PQG5weeHk

the taliban who follow hanafi madhab are also called extremists by the kuffar and the munafiqs

[EscaCsamas]

Despite not being responsible for 9/11, some Salafi's DO allow or encourage the killing of civilians. Just look at IA Forums for proof. They try and justify this using mostly flawed logic but I'm guessing I can't comment on it explicitly here do to the rules of this forum. So to me, yes, there seems to be a link

[EscaCsamas]

9/11 was an inside job and so was 7/7, watch ripple effect on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7PQG5weeHk

the taliban who follow hanafi madhab are also called extremists by the kuffar and the munafiqs

But Taliban don't deliberately kill civilians so do not fall under the definition of extremism used by the original poster.

[intorkercet]

If one is not restrained by the methodology of a school of jurisprudence. One can pick things out of context and justify anything. DIY ijtihad.So it makes more sense why extremeist are prone to salafism.

[www.forumsovetov.ru]

are extremists more inclined to salafism or does salafism with its incoherent methodology generate extremism?

I have not come across deliberate killing of civilians being justified via hanafi, shafi, maliki or hanbali fiqh because the justification does not exist.

[www.forumsovetov.ru]

with respect brother I dont think you have understood the point I am making. The taliban are hanafis and dont deliberately target civilians.
There are however groups that have fallen into extremism by deliberately targeting civilians in the name of Islam. they falsely justify it by claiming to have proofs from the quran and sunnah. Their ghayr-muqallid DIY methodology seems to be contributing to their extremism.

[gagagaridze]

what i find strange about a lot of these so-called suicide bombers...is that if we are to believe everything the media tells us these are supposed to be extreme Muslims, yet...they don't have proper beards...according to the extreme salafis trimming the beard at any length is not allowed...then they have so much love for deen that they want to be martyrs...but they have girlfriends

[FYvWldC0]

Salam Aleykum,

My answer to your topic title: Ignorance is the real cause of extremism.

[Shipsyspeepay]

At the same time one should ask the question whether there is a link between being Ash'ari-Sufi and licking the boots of the kuffar and their allies amongst the munafiq rulers of the Muslim lands?

[EscaCsamas]

At the same time one should ask the question whether there is a link between being Ash'ari-Sufi and licking the boots of the kuffar and their allies amongst the munafiq rulers of the Muslim lands?

I think there might be a similar link. I think that perhaps those who are angry at the transgressions of the kuffar against the Muslims and wish to fight in a tit for tat manner, including the killing of civilians gravitate to the Salafi thought because the DIY ijtihad mentality allows them to justify their stance. In the same way, the 'we shouldn't fight, it's all about love' type of people gravitate towards the goofy sufi type's because again, it allows them to justify their stance. Both are wrong

And Allah knows best

:jazka:

[agiopwer]

I have been at Sunni Forum for a while - and Ive seen many people come and go - there are a few brothers who Ive watched over the years.

One particular brother comes to mind - he started off here as a seeker, he was learning and progressing - all the while, he would comment on how he felt outrage at the oppression of Muslims around the world. I noticed that he began to say things like "..well, at least their fighting.." when a particular group or individuals salafi and/or anthropromorphic beliefs were highlighted. I read his posts with sadness now, because his love for his Muslim brothers has clouded his judgement, and he seems to support these extremeist groups. It has even gotten to the point where he now has a tone of hatred for the Ashariyya and tassawuf inclined folks.

I am not mad at him, he wants to end his brothers suffering, but I think the problem is that most people have not found an outlet for their rage - a group who follows the Sharia, is Ashari/maturidi in creed, and is inclined towards sufism to Put their support behind. Let me tell you from personal experience that they are out there and they fight while not abandoning the sharia with excuses and weak justifications.

I think the problem we face is that the extremists are in the spotlight most often and are center stage - so even Muslims loose focus and think they are the only ones fighting, but we have to ask ourselves, why is that these extremists fight yet win no victories - was 9/11 a victory? what did the Ummah gain from that attack - when a suicide bomber in Palestine kills 12 bystanders at a coffe shop - what does Palestine gain? If these people are worthy of following, why has Allah not given them a single victory?

Lets say we send our support to the extremeist self ijtihadis and they win - do you want Az Zawahiri as your Khalif? do you think that once they have power they will not turn on the Muslims next?

[intorkercet]

What about lunitics of Lunticstan Luton.