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**Mowselelew** · 11-10-2011, 01:40 AM

Slamo-alaikum.

Why Tahirul Qadri converted from Shaikhul islaam to Shakhul SHAITAN? Can he arrange his Christian and Jews Brothren to visit THE HOUSE OF RABBAL AALAMEEN in Makka and THE CITY OF REHMATUL AALAMEEN in MADINA as he said they not MUSHRIK.

**seicslybearee** · 11-10-2011, 02:15 AM

Fitnah wa fasad....

**Dreaming** · 11-10-2011, 03:54 AM

Slamo-alaikum.

Why Tahirul Qadri converted from Shaikhul islaam to Shakhul SHAITAN? Can he arrange his Christian and Jews Brothren to visit THE HOUSE OF RABBAL AALAMEEN in Makka and THE CITY OF REHMATUL AALAMEEN in MADINA as he said they not MUSHRIK.

he explained his actions and said what he done was sunnah its on youtube somewhere i came acroos it before

**arindiruppyr** · 11-10-2011, 05:39 AM

Alot of people say he does create a remaking of alot of scenes from the islamic history books and sometimes does a minority opinion act or something which is not widely practiced amongst the ummah , just so that he can show off a little, and some WAH WAH can be done, or that he can gain some more worldly benefit, or common lay man say WOW the shaykh is so learned , or get some fame that look loook what tahir-ul-qadri did. Has anyone heard similar stuff, i dont know what to do , believe it or just leave it, but people do have a point, and not one or two, people in thousands say this about this man. What a trial(fitna) for the common laymen.

Best to stay away from this ditch, never know where you end up falling.kyoun bhia strengtheningmydeen ki khiyal hai aap ka?

**bgsavings** · 11-10-2011, 11:56 AM

Alot of people say he does create a remaking of alot of scenes from the islamic history books and sometimes does a minority opinion act or something which is not widely practiced amongst the ummah , just so that he can show off a little, and some WAH WAH can be done, or that he can gain some more worldly benefit, or common lay man say WOW the shaykh is so learned , or get some fame that look loook what tahir-ul-qadri did. Has anyone heard similar stuff, i dont know what to do , believe it or just leave it, but people do have a point, and not one or two, people in thousands say this about this man. What a trial(fitna) for the common laymen.

Best to stay away from this ditch, never know where you end up falling.kyoun bhia strengtheningmydeen ki khiyal hai aap ka?

right....

**Carfanate** · 11-10-2011, 04:12 PM

Slamo-alaikum.

Why Tahirul Qadri converted from Shaikhul islaam to Shakhul SHAITAN? Can he arrange his Christian and Jews Brothren to visit THE HOUSE OF RABBAL AALAMEEN in Makka and THE CITY OF REHMATUL AALAMEEN in MADINA as he said they not MUSHRIK.

Brother I am not a follower/fan of Tahirul Qadri but lets remember these hadiths before we start labelling people.
I have just posted this on the Rumi thread and pasted it ehre as well;

HADITH: Hazrat Anas bin Malik relates that the Holy Prophet (s) said:
Three (3) things form the foundation of al-Islam

1) Whosoever says 'La ilaha Illallah, Muhammadar-Rasulullah,' do not take him out of Islam because he committed a sin. .... [Sahih of Abu Dawud]

Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud (Radhi Allahu Anhu) conveyed that the Prophet (s) said, "Cursing a Muslim is corruption and fighting a Muslim is unbelief."
Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari no: 6044, 7076 and Sahih Muslim 1:122.

Thabit ibn al-Dahak said that the Prophet (s) said, "Whoever says that a believer is an unbeliever, it is the same as if he had killed him."

Abu Huraira and Abdullah Ibn `Umar (r) related that the Prophet (s) said, "If any man says to his brother `O unbeliever' it is the same as if he had killed him."

Abdullah Ibn `Umar related that the Prophet (s) said, "Don't say that people who proclaim `La ilaha ill-Allah' are unbelievers, even if they commit a sin, because the one who calls those who worship no God except Allah unbelievers, is himself an unbeliever."

**moredasers** · 11-10-2011, 07:31 PM

aoa,

lets not speak ill against the scholars of islam. if you wish to do so for the betterment of the community then quote another scholar.but dont do gheebat by giving your 'opinion', esp when its tending to go towards hatred. i do not follow tahir ul qadri but i have learnt to hold my tongue against scholars. who ever they may be.
this is a thread full of fitna

**bgsavings** · 11-10-2011, 07:40 PM

Brother I am not a follower/fan of Tahirul Qadri but lets remember these hadiths before we start labelling people.
I have just posted this on the Rumi thread and pasted it ehre as well;

HADITH: Hazrat Anas bin Malik relates that the Holy Prophet (s) said:
Three (3) things form the foundation of al-Islam1) Whosoever says 'La ilaha Illallah, Muhammadar-Rasulullah,' do not take him out of Islam because he committed a sin. .... [Sahih of Abu Dawud]

Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud (Radhi Allahu Anhu) conveyed that the Prophet (s) said, "Cursing a Muslim is corruption and fighting a Muslim is unbelief."
Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari no: 6044, 7076 and Sahih Muslim 1:122.

Thabit ibn al-Dahak said that the Prophet (s) said, "Whoever says that a believer is an unbeliever, it is the same as if he had killed him."

Abu Huraira and Abdullah Ibn `Umar (r) related that the Prophet (s) said, "If any man says to his brother `O unbeliever' it is the same as if he had killed him."

Abdullah Ibn `Umar related that the Prophet (s) said, "Don't say that people who proclaim `La ilaha ill-Allah' are unbelievers, even if they commit a sin, because the one who calls those who worship no God except Allah unbelievers, is himself an unbeliever."

yes we need to abstain from backbitting BUT brother making the people aware of fitna so that they can protect themselves from that is Guiding (rahbari)..many scholars of past had written complete treatise on condemning person who spread fitna & lured the common masses towards it. Rahbari & gheebat are two different things altogether (yes of course intention are judged by ALLAH)

**moredasers** · 11-10-2011, 07:42 PM

many scholars of past had written complete treatise on condemning person who spread fitna & lured the common masses towards it

aoa,

thats exactly what m saying. quote the scholars. dont spew venom (that was not directed towards you brother)

**dicemets** · 11-10-2011, 08:20 PM

This guy Tahirul Qadri spews dangerous statements which suggest that there is no khilafah and no command to reestablish the khilafah, and yet he supports and reenforces 'democracy' which he implies is the 'tradition' of the Prophet (saaw).
A 'shura' is NOT democracy. Democracy is fundamentally based on the rule of, by, and for the people as sovereign and authority.

To simplify a presentation to Muslims a complex concept such as democracy out of support for kufr regimes and kufr world powers is not just dangerous, its diabolical.

**dhrishiasv** · 11-10-2011, 08:48 PM

This guy Tahirul Qadri spews dangerous statements which suggest that there is no khilafah and no command to reestablish the khilafah, and yet he supports and reenforces 'democracy' which he implies is the 'tradition' of the Prophet (saaw).
A 'shura' is NOT democracy. Democracy is fundamentally based on the rule of, by, and for the people as sovereign and authority.

To simplify a presentation to Muslims a complex concept such as democracy out of support for kufr regimes and kufr world powers is not just dangerous, its diabolical.

As usual, brother usama2, you hit the nail on the head, Walhamdulillah...

anyway, is Tahir-ul-Qadri EVER a scholar to begin with??? LOL...

If yes, bring his ijaazah.

And no, this is NOT backbiting, nobody is discussing his private life details. We are ONLY talking about the loads of stinking trash he has himself made public, and we have every right to expose that so that more innocent people don't fall headlong into his baatil beliefs.

If not dozens of deviant sects would have wrecked havoc on the ummah if this would have been considered backbiting...

**Reocourgigiot** · 11-11-2011, 12:17 AM

aoa,

thats exactly what m saying. quote the scholars. dont spew venom (that was not directed towards you brother)

Although Tahir ul Qadri is considered a Barelwi and is loved by most Barelwis, yet the great grandson of Ahmad Raza Khan issued a Fatwa of KUFR on him!! See here..

**Mowselelew** · 11-12-2011, 04:12 AM

@----Silentflute. Brother you are not follower of Tahir Qadri but you are qouting Hadees without thinking about the question. He (tahir) said Christians and Jews are not MUSHRIK. Now think ALLAH says they are MUSHRIK and Tahir says they are not. So, think who is telling the truth ALLAH or TAHIR.? Please answer. Think think and think.
Don't be afraid if Allah is not telling the truth, come on ,say it and don't fear Allah.
Lahori

**Mowselelew** · 11-12-2011, 04:22 AM

@------mh16388

Thank you. Think think and think. Tahir says Jews and Christians are not MUSHRIK but ALLAH says they are MUSRIK. You tell me who is telling the truth ALLAH(swt) or TAHIR (SHAIKHUL SHAITAN). Is he not refuting the ayaat of the Holly Qur'an? If you agree with Tahir say Allah is not telleing the truth. Then dont fear Allah. Say it Say,and say.

**moredasers** · 11-12-2011, 09:21 AM

Although Tahir ul Qadri is considered a Barelwi and is loved by most Barelwis, yet the great grandson of Ahmad Raza Khan issued a Fatwa of KUFR on him!! See here..

i dont understand the barelwis sometimes, seriously.i wonder what the ulema of deoband say about him...thats more credible than anyone else in pakistan

**moredasers** · 11-12-2011, 09:25 AM

@------mh16388

Thank you. Think think and think. Tahir says Jews and Christians are not MUSHRIK but ALLAH says they are MUSRIK. You tell me who is telling the truth ALLAH(swt) or TAHIR (SHAIKHUL SHAITAN). Is he not refuting the ayaat of the Holly Qur'an? If you agree with Tahir say Allah is not telleing the truth. Then dont fear Allah. Say it Say,and say.

aoa,
which video does he say that?or which article?
and also bring a refutation of his work from a deobandi or ahle hadith scholar (if any). i am not fond of takfir without proof, and certainly not fond of takfir of scholars.

**abouthotels** · 11-12-2011, 12:16 PM

aoa,
which video does he say that?or which article?
and also bring a refutation of his work from a deobandi or ahle hadith scholar (if any). i am not fond of takfir without proof, and certainly not fond of takfir of scholars.

Listen with your own ear, his absurd statement, he said:

You people are disputing at Noor or Bashar (means weather Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam is Human or not a human but a form of Light (noor) in apparent human manifestation) but in some events Humanity is hindrance, Nooraniyat (to be light in nature) is hindrance, so to achieve that event one needs to leave his human manifestation and also his Noori manifestation. When he (Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) arrived to La Makan (non-space, means at the 'Arsh of Allah Tala), he had leaved his human nature, then when he went further, beyond the 'Arsh-e-Illahi, he had leaved his Noori manifestation. then he (Tahir ul qadri) asked to the audience "tell me now what type of manifestation or nature he (Prophet Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) had". Then he (Tahir ul qadri) answered in punjabi "There is only one, There is only one, There is only one, who thinks "ONE" (means Allah Tala and Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) as "TWO", is Heretic and Polytheist"

Listen from 1:49 sec

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...O7N3Ld8#t=108s

Mean at that point in the meeting of Allah Tala and Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam both of them consider as "ONE", because Prophet pbuh don't had any manifestation or individual distinct nature. So this the tawaheed to consider two entities as One, otherwise you will consider as polytheiset!

The people were sitting in front of him were laymen, He has to be every clear about tawaheed, but you can see to make barlvis happy what he did to Islam and Tawaheed and Quran. He has made an interpretation of his absurd statement, but it didn’t make any sense.

**dhrishiasv** · 11-12-2011, 03:10 PM

The Great Medinan Scholar Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi on Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan

Foreword

In this era of confusion, many western Muslims call for reconciliation between the Barelwis and the Deobandis. The Arab ulama, and those westerners that have studied at their feet, are looked upon as a source of inspiration in bridging this gap.

The proposition is interesting. However, one wonders how well these western and Middle Eastern Muslims actually understand the Barelwi-Deobandi divide. This is especially the case since most of the writings surrounding the subject are in Urdu, a language generally only understood by people with roots in the Indo-Pak subcontinent.

Nevertheless, it is important that we earnestly and sincerely listen to all our non-sub-continental Ulama on this particular topic. One such individual is Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi, who hailed from the Libyan city of Tarablus and was resident in Medina when Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan came to the Hejaz to elicit his notorious fatwa against the Ulama of Deoband.

On a trip to Medina in 1363AH, Faqih al-Ummat Mufti Mahmud al-Hasan al-Gangohi met Shaykh Abdul Qadir who interestingly narrated his version of events and his impressions of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Incidentally, Faqih al-Ummat was the Khalifa of Hadhrat Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya al-Kandalawi and former Grand Mufti at Darul Uloom Deoband.

As Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s contemporary and someone we can all assume to be neutral in the true sense, the words of Shaykh Abdul Qadir strike a particular resonance in this day and age. Through an impartial Middle Eastern scholar, many Deobandis are able to fully appreciate and confer the opinions of their elders regarding Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and not be misled by contrary opinions that allude that the Akabir were perhaps “mistaken”.

Shaykh Abdul Qadir was not the only non-Salafi shaykh to voice concerns about Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Interestingly, Shaykh Sayyid al-Barzanji, the Grand Mufti of the Shafi’i’s in Medina, who was also an impartial Middle Eastern scholar and contemporary of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan, wrote a book against Radha Khan entitled “Ghayat al-Mamul fi Ilm Ghayb al-Rasul”.

Abu Zaynab

Mufti Mahmud al-Hasan Gangohi narrates:

When I visited Medina for the first time in 1363AH, a person from Bukhara introduced me to Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Tarablusi. Shaykh Abdul Qadir asked me: “Do the serious differences that used to exist between Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and the Ulama of Deoband still continue?”

I replied: “Where is Tarablus? And where is India? How do you know of this? What do you know of the differences between Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and the Ulama of Deoband?”

He replied: “It’s been some time. Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan brought some Urdu texts to me. He attributed them to the Ulama of Deoband and sought a fatwa. I told him that the texts were in Urdu, which I didn’t know, and so how could I possibly issue a fatwa. He said he would translate them into Arabic for me, so I asked him how that could be possible when he is the claimant. How could his translations be accepted? He then convinced a student of mine to translate the texts into Arabic, which he did.”

Shaykh Abdul Qadir continues: “At that, I issued a fatwa with certain conditions that if these writings are those of the Ulama of Deoband, that these are the meanings of these texts (as explained by Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan), that the preceding and succeeding texts do not show the meanings to be otherwise, and that these are the authors’ intentions then these texts lead to disbelief. After that, Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s book “Husam Al-Haramain” (Sword of the Two Sanctuaries) was published. I looked at my fatwa inside there, it had been altered. My words had been changed and from this I realized that this man (Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan) was not from the people of trust (Ahl al-Diyanat).”

Malfudhat Faqih al-Ummat, Volume 2, Page 333

Translated by Abu Zaynab

http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2007/...he-arab-ulama/

Are Barelwis/Brailwis part of Ahlus Sunnah?

The Barelwis are not part of the Ahlus Sunnah. Bid'ah is a distinguishing
feature of this sect.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

for: Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...61011bcd22dafa

There are tonnes more to go, this should suffice for now....

**abouthotels** · 11-12-2011, 05:38 PM

Peoples Doing Sajadah to Dr., Allama, Proferssor of innovations Tahir Ul Qadri, he is Great follower of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barlvi:

See at 1:26 Please mute the volume, (because it is musical Qawali, Dance and with "Ghungroo". Here in sub-continent classical prostitutes wear the Ghungroo (musical ornament) in their legs and then she dances. It is Taboo to wear Ghungroo, for a normal woman, for a man, there is no chance!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKweclxyc2g&feature=player_detailpage

**JasminBerkova** · 11-12-2011, 06:36 PM

11-10-2011, 01:40 AM	#1
Mowselelew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	Tahirul Qadri Slamo-alaikum. Why Tahirul Qadri converted from Shaikhul islaam to Shakhul SHAITAN? Can he arrange his Christian and Jews Brothren to visit THE HOUSE OF RABBAL AALAMEEN in Makka and THE CITY OF REHMATUL AALAMEEN in MADINA as he said they not MUSHRIK. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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seicslybearee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 422 Senior Member	Fitnah wa fasad.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Dreaming Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 479 Senior Member	Slamo-alaikum. Why Tahirul Qadri converted from Shaikhul islaam to Shakhul SHAITAN? Can he arrange his Christian and Jews Brothren to visit THE HOUSE OF RABBAL AALAMEEN in Makka and THE CITY OF REHMATUL AALAMEEN in MADINA as he said they not MUSHRIK. he explained his actions and said what he done was sunnah its on youtube somewhere i came acroos it before Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 05:39 AM	#4
arindiruppyr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 495 Senior Member	Alot of people say he does create a remaking of alot of scenes from the islamic history books and sometimes does a minority opinion act or something which is not widely practiced amongst the ummah , just so that he can show off a little, and some WAH WAH can be done, or that he can gain some more worldly benefit, or common lay man say WOW the shaykh is so learned , or get some fame that look loook what tahir-ul-qadri did. Has anyone heard similar stuff, i dont know what to do , believe it or just leave it, but people do have a point, and not one or two, people in thousands say this about this man. What a trial(fitna) for the common laymen. Best to stay away from this ditch, never know where you end up falling.kyoun bhia strengtheningmydeen ki khiyal hai aap ka? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 11:56 AM	#5
bgsavings Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	Alot of people say he does create a remaking of alot of scenes from the islamic history books and sometimes does a minority opinion act or something which is not widely practiced amongst the ummah , just so that he can show off a little, and some WAH WAH can be done, or that he can gain some more worldly benefit, or common lay man say WOW the shaykh is so learned , or get some fame that look loook what tahir-ul-qadri did. Has anyone heard similar stuff, i dont know what to do , believe it or just leave it, but people do have a point, and not one or two, people in thousands say this about this man. What a trial(fitna) for the common laymen. Best to stay away from this ditch, never know where you end up falling.kyoun bhia strengtheningmydeen ki khiyal hai aap ka? right.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 04:12 PM	#6
Carfanate Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Slamo-alaikum. Why Tahirul Qadri converted from Shaikhul islaam to Shakhul SHAITAN? Can he arrange his Christian and Jews Brothren to visit THE HOUSE OF RABBAL AALAMEEN in Makka and THE CITY OF REHMATUL AALAMEEN in MADINA as he said they not MUSHRIK. Brother I am not a follower/fan of Tahirul Qadri but lets remember these hadiths before we start labelling people. I have just posted this on the Rumi thread and pasted it ehre as well; HADITH: Hazrat Anas bin Malik relates that the Holy Prophet (s) said: Three (3) things form the foundation of al-Islam1) Whosoever says 'La ilaha Illallah, Muhammadar-Rasulullah,' do not take him out of Islam because he committed a sin. .... [Sahih of Abu Dawud] Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud (Radhi Allahu Anhu) conveyed that the Prophet (s) said, "Cursing a Muslim is corruption and fighting a Muslim is unbelief." Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari no: 6044, 7076 and Sahih Muslim 1:122. Thabit ibn al-Dahak said that the Prophet (s) said, "Whoever says that a believer is an unbeliever, it is the same as if he had killed him." Abu Huraira and Abdullah Ibn `Umar (r) related that the Prophet (s) said, "If any man says to his brother `O unbeliever' it is the same as if he had killed him." Abdullah Ibn `Umar related that the Prophet (s) said, "Don't say that people who proclaim `La ilaha ill-Allah' are unbelievers, even if they commit a sin, because the one who calls those who worship no God except Allah unbelievers, is himself an unbeliever." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 07:31 PM	#7
moredasers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	aoa, lets not speak ill against the scholars of islam. if you wish to do so for the betterment of the community then quote another scholar.but dont do gheebat by giving your 'opinion', esp when its tending to go towards hatred. i do not follow tahir ul qadri but i have learnt to hold my tongue against scholars. who ever they may be. this is a thread full of fitna Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 07:40 PM	#8
bgsavings Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	Brother I am not a follower/fan of Tahirul Qadri but lets remember these hadiths before we start labelling people. I have just posted this on the Rumi thread and pasted it ehre as well; HADITH: Hazrat Anas bin Malik relates that the Holy Prophet (s) said: Three (3) things form the foundation of al-Islam1) Whosoever says 'La ilaha Illallah, Muhammadar-Rasulullah,' do not take him out of Islam because he committed a sin. .... [Sahih of Abu Dawud] Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud (Radhi Allahu Anhu) conveyed that the Prophet (s) said, "Cursing a Muslim is corruption and fighting a Muslim is unbelief." Narrated in Sahih al-Bukhari no: 6044, 7076 and Sahih Muslim 1:122. Thabit ibn al-Dahak said that the Prophet (s) said, "Whoever says that a believer is an unbeliever, it is the same as if he had killed him." Abu Huraira and Abdullah Ibn `Umar (r) related that the Prophet (s) said, "If any man says to his brother `O unbeliever' it is the same as if he had killed him." Abdullah Ibn `Umar related that the Prophet (s) said, "Don't say that people who proclaim `La ilaha ill-Allah' are unbelievers, even if they commit a sin, because the one who calls those who worship no God except Allah unbelievers, is himself an unbeliever." yes we need to abstain from backbitting BUT brother making the people aware of fitna so that they can protect themselves from that is Guiding (rahbari)..many scholars of past had written complete treatise on condemning person who spread fitna & lured the common masses towards it. Rahbari & gheebat are two different things altogether (yes of course intention are judged by ALLAH) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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moredasers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	many scholars of past had written complete treatise on condemning person who spread fitna & lured the common masses towards it aoa, thats exactly what m saying. quote the scholars. dont spew venom (that was not directed towards you brother) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 08:20 PM	#10
dicemets Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 526 Senior Member	This guy Tahirul Qadri spews dangerous statements which suggest that there is no khilafah and no command to reestablish the khilafah, and yet he supports and reenforces 'democracy' which he implies is the 'tradition' of the Prophet (saaw). A 'shura' is NOT democracy. Democracy is fundamentally based on the rule of, by, and for the people as sovereign and authority. To simplify a presentation to Muslims a complex concept such as democracy out of support for kufr regimes and kufr world powers is not just dangerous, its diabolical. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-10-2011, 08:48 PM	#11
dhrishiasv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	This guy Tahirul Qadri spews dangerous statements which suggest that there is no khilafah and no command to reestablish the khilafah, and yet he supports and reenforces 'democracy' which he implies is the 'tradition' of the Prophet (saaw). A 'shura' is NOT democracy. Democracy is fundamentally based on the rule of, by, and for the people as sovereign and authority. To simplify a presentation to Muslims a complex concept such as democracy out of support for kufr regimes and kufr world powers is not just dangerous, its diabolical. As usual, brother usama2, you hit the nail on the head, Walhamdulillah... anyway, is Tahir-ul-Qadri EVER a scholar to begin with??? LOL... If yes, bring his ijaazah. And no, this is NOT backbiting, nobody is discussing his private life details. We are ONLY talking about the loads of stinking trash he has himself made public, and we have every right to expose that so that more innocent people don't fall headlong into his baatil beliefs. If not dozens of deviant sects would have wrecked havoc on the ummah if this would have been considered backbiting... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-11-2011, 12:17 AM	#12
Reocourgigiot Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 400 Senior Member	aoa, thats exactly what m saying. quote the scholars. dont spew venom (that was not directed towards you brother) Although Tahir ul Qadri is considered a Barelwi and is loved by most Barelwis, yet the great grandson of Ahmad Raza Khan issued a Fatwa of KUFR on him!! See here.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 04:12 AM	#13
Mowselelew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	@----Silentflute. Brother you are not follower of Tahir Qadri but you are qouting Hadees without thinking about the question. He (tahir) said Christians and Jews are not MUSHRIK. Now think ALLAH says they are MUSHRIK and Tahir says they are not. So, think who is telling the truth ALLAH or TAHIR.? Please answer. Think think and think. Don't be afraid if Allah is not telling the truth, come on ,say it and don't fear Allah. Lahori Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 04:22 AM	#14
Mowselelew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	@------mh16388 Thank you. Think think and think. Tahir says Jews and Christians are not MUSHRIK but ALLAH says they are MUSRIK. You tell me who is telling the truth ALLAH(swt) or TAHIR (SHAIKHUL SHAITAN). Is he not refuting the ayaat of the Holly Qur'an? If you agree with Tahir say Allah is not telleing the truth. Then dont fear Allah. Say it Say,and say. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 09:21 AM	#15
moredasers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	Although Tahir ul Qadri is considered a Barelwi and is loved by most Barelwis, yet the great grandson of Ahmad Raza Khan issued a Fatwa of KUFR on him!! See here.. i dont understand the barelwis sometimes, seriously.i wonder what the ulema of deoband say about him...thats more credible than anyone else in pakistan Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 09:25 AM	#16
moredasers Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 437 Senior Member	@------mh16388 Thank you. Think think and think. Tahir says Jews and Christians are not MUSHRIK but ALLAH says they are MUSRIK. You tell me who is telling the truth ALLAH(swt) or TAHIR (SHAIKHUL SHAITAN). Is he not refuting the ayaat of the Holly Qur'an? If you agree with Tahir say Allah is not telleing the truth. Then dont fear Allah. Say it Say,and say. aoa, which video does he say that?or which article? and also bring a refutation of his work from a deobandi or ahle hadith scholar (if any). i am not fond of takfir without proof, and certainly not fond of takfir of scholars. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 12:16 PM	#17
abouthotels Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	aoa, which video does he say that?or which article? and also bring a refutation of his work from a deobandi or ahle hadith scholar (if any). i am not fond of takfir without proof, and certainly not fond of takfir of scholars. Listen with your own ear, his absurd statement, he said: You people are disputing at Noor or Bashar (means weather Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam is Human or not a human but a form of Light (noor) in apparent human manifestation) but in some events Humanity is hindrance, Nooraniyat (to be light in nature) is hindrance, so to achieve that event one needs to leave his human manifestation and also his Noori manifestation. When he (Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) arrived to La Makan (non-space, means at the 'Arsh of Allah Tala), he had leaved his human nature, then when he went further, beyond the 'Arsh-e-Illahi, he had leaved his Noori manifestation. then he (Tahir ul qadri) asked to the audience "tell me now what type of manifestation or nature he (Prophet Muhammad sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) had". Then he (Tahir ul qadri) answered in punjabi "There is only one, There is only one, There is only one, who thinks "ONE" (means Allah Tala and Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam) as "TWO", is Heretic and Polytheist" Listen from 1:49 sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...O7N3Ld8#t=108s Mean at that point in the meeting of Allah Tala and Prophet Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam both of them consider as "ONE", because Prophet pbuh don't had any manifestation or individual distinct nature. So this the tawaheed to consider two entities as One, otherwise you will consider as polytheiset! The people were sitting in front of him were laymen, He has to be every clear about tawaheed, but you can see to make barlvis happy what he did to Islam and Tawaheed and Quran. He has made an interpretation of his absurd statement, but it didn’t make any sense. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 03:10 PM	#18
dhrishiasv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 501 Senior Member	The Great Medinan Scholar Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi on Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan Foreword In this era of confusion, many western Muslims call for reconciliation between the Barelwis and the Deobandis. The Arab ulama, and those westerners that have studied at their feet, are looked upon as a source of inspiration in bridging this gap. The proposition is interesting. However, one wonders how well these western and Middle Eastern Muslims actually understand the Barelwi-Deobandi divide. This is especially the case since most of the writings surrounding the subject are in Urdu, a language generally only understood by people with roots in the Indo-Pak subcontinent. Nevertheless, it is important that we earnestly and sincerely listen to all our non-sub-continental Ulama on this particular topic. One such individual is Shaykh Abdul Qadir Tawfiq al-Shalabi al-Tarablusi al-Hanafi, who hailed from the Libyan city of Tarablus and was resident in Medina when Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan came to the Hejaz to elicit his notorious fatwa against the Ulama of Deoband. On a trip to Medina in 1363AH, Faqih al-Ummat Mufti Mahmud al-Hasan al-Gangohi met Shaykh Abdul Qadir who interestingly narrated his version of events and his impressions of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Incidentally, Faqih al-Ummat was the Khalifa of Hadhrat Shaykh al-Hadith Mawlana Muhammad Zakariyya al-Kandalawi and former Grand Mufti at Darul Uloom Deoband. As Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s contemporary and someone we can all assume to be neutral in the true sense, the words of Shaykh Abdul Qadir strike a particular resonance in this day and age. Through an impartial Middle Eastern scholar, many Deobandis are able to fully appreciate and confer the opinions of their elders regarding Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and not be misled by contrary opinions that allude that the Akabir were perhaps “mistaken”. Shaykh Abdul Qadir was not the only non-Salafi shaykh to voice concerns about Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan. Interestingly, Shaykh Sayyid al-Barzanji, the Grand Mufti of the Shafi’i’s in Medina, who was also an impartial Middle Eastern scholar and contemporary of Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan, wrote a book against Radha Khan entitled “Ghayat al-Mamul fi Ilm Ghayb al-Rasul”. Abu Zaynab Mufti Mahmud al-Hasan Gangohi narrates: When I visited Medina for the first time in 1363AH, a person from Bukhara introduced me to Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Tarablusi. Shaykh Abdul Qadir asked me: “Do the serious differences that used to exist between Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and the Ulama of Deoband still continue?” I replied: “Where is Tarablus? And where is India? How do you know of this? What do you know of the differences between Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan and the Ulama of Deoband?” He replied: “It’s been some time. Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan brought some Urdu texts to me. He attributed them to the Ulama of Deoband and sought a fatwa. I told him that the texts were in Urdu, which I didn’t know, and so how could I possibly issue a fatwa. He said he would translate them into Arabic for me, so I asked him how that could be possible when he is the claimant. How could his translations be accepted? He then convinced a student of mine to translate the texts into Arabic, which he did.” Shaykh Abdul Qadir continues: “At that, I issued a fatwa with certain conditions that if these writings are those of the Ulama of Deoband, that these are the meanings of these texts (as explained by Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan), that the preceding and succeeding texts do not show the meanings to be otherwise, and that these are the authors’ intentions then these texts lead to disbelief. After that, Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan’s book “Husam Al-Haramain” (Sword of the Two Sanctuaries) was published. I looked at my fatwa inside there, it had been altered. My words had been changed and from this I realized that this man (Molwi Ahmed Radha Khan) was not from the people of trust (Ahl al-Diyanat).” Malfudhat Faqih al-Ummat, Volume 2, Page 333 Translated by Abu Zaynab http://zakariyya.wordpress.com/2007/...he-arab-ulama/ Are Barelwis/Brailwis part of Ahlus Sunnah? The Barelwis are not part of the Ahlus Sunnah. Bid'ah is a distinguishing feature of this sect. and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best for: Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT. http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...61011bcd22dafa There are tonnes more to go, this should suffice for now.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 05:38 PM	#19
abouthotels Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 541 Senior Member	Peoples Doing Sajadah to Dr., Allama, Proferssor of innovations Tahir Ul Qadri, he is Great follower of 'Ala Hazard Ahmed Raza Khan Barlvi: See at 1:26 Please mute the volume, (because it is musical Qawali, Dance and with "Ghungroo". Here in sub-continent classical prostitutes wear the Ghungroo (musical ornament) in their legs and then she dances. It is Taboo to wear Ghungroo, for a normal woman, for a man, there is no chance!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKweclxyc2g&feature=player_detailpage Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2011, 06:36 PM	#20
JasminBerkova Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 529 Senior Member	anyone interested in tahir qadri may be interested in these few links... http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Hajj-amp-Umrah http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Fake-Mujaddad http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...nference/page4 http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...ht=tahir+qadri http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Qadri-on-kufr http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Tahir-ul-Qadri http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Tahir-ul-Qadri http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Tahir-ul-Qadri http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...erged-with-God http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...l-Qadri-s-feet http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...Tahir-ul-Qadri http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...r-Sufi-dancing... http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...hajir-Makki-RA Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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