Refutation of Barelwi Mufti Hanif Qureshi - DiscussWorldIssues - Socio-Economic Religion and Political Uncensored Debate

**shieclulaweew** · 09-22-2009, 07:36 PM

Do only I feel the dire need for someone genuine to come up and slap this guy awake again?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkQ3ePFIxrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdHJXne_zo

Please contribute even if you can refute only a few or even one of these allegations (I posted only links to the first parts of both Bayanaat, but you need to check all parts to listen the nonsense he utters.)

**tyclislavaify** · 09-22-2009, 08:01 PM

i have seen his munazra (debate ) with Dr. Talib Ur Rehman ( Ahle Hadees ) , he proved Shah Walli Ullah to be Ahle HAdees and gave his fatwa that Shah Walli ullah , ahle hadees , deobandis all are kafir

**EmpaccalGah** · 09-22-2009, 09:09 PM

inshallah working on it

**artkolkovk** · 09-22-2009, 09:22 PM

Please contribute even if you can refute only a few or even one of these allegations (I posted only links to the first parts of both Bayanaat, but you need to check all parts to listen the nonsense he utters.)

Is there anything in particular you need answered?

**QWNPdpr5** · 09-22-2009, 10:03 PM

I used to be interested in all the debates, well i still am, but if there's anything which these guys say which bother you just go back to the qur'an and sunnah

**shieclulaweew** · 09-24-2009, 06:47 AM

Is there anything in particular you need answered?

No, nothing in particular... actually I was quite disturbed about almost everything he said.

**Broker15015** · 09-24-2009, 05:53 PM

Do only I feel the dire need for someone genuine to come up and slap this guy awake again?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkQ3ePFIxrI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdHJXne_zo

Please contribute even if you can refute only a few or even one of these allegations (I posted only links to the first parts of both Bayanaat, but you need to check all parts to listen the nonsense he utters.)

Have you heard of a saying 'Empty vessels make the loudest noise'? The very same applies to Janab Hanif Qureishi and Barelawi Associates. No matter how loud they shout about their Aqeedah to be in accordance with Ahle-Sunnah-Wal Jama'at, but, they would never be able to get on with it. The amount of Biddah Barelwis have introduced is a well know fact. And yes! The contribution of Ulema-e-Deoband to the Deen is beyond any comparison. Barelwis don't stand anywhere near to Deobandis.

**Broker15015** · 09-24-2009, 05:57 PM

And sad irony is that they call themselves Aashique-e-Rasool but do not exhibit iota of Akhalaq of their Mehboob. Did anyone notice he used the word 'Kaminey' in the first video?

Be it on y-a-n-a-b-i or any other Barelwi community/forum, you would see the same temperament amongst them. Gaali galoch is no big deal for them.

Our Ulemas have never used and would never use such a cheap language even for the worst of the enemies.

Assalaam'aaleykum!

**Zdmlscid** · 09-24-2009, 06:55 PM

And sad irony is that they call themselves Aashique-e-Rasool but do not exhibit iota of Akhalaq of their Mehboob. Did anyone notice he used the word 'Kaminey' in the first video?
Be it on y-a-n-a-b-i or any other Barelwi community/forum, you would see the same temperament amongst them. Gaali galoch is no big deal for them.

Our Ulemas have never used and would never use such a cheap language even for the worst of the enemies.

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Precisely. Unfortunately our Barelvi brothers have, for the longest time, a really bad habit of issuing fatawas of takfir and ghustaakhe-rasool left and right even at the smallest of disagreements. And I really despise their arrogance and self-righteousness in calling constantly calling themselves "Aashique-e-Rasool". As for their akhlaaq, well, that much is open for the entire Ummah to see and judge for itself.

Last year, I had read about "A'la Hadthrat" Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi's fatwa of kufr on the Ulama of Deoband and the whole "Hussaam Haramain" incident and this Ramadan it got me thinking - since our Barelvi brothers do blind taqleed of Ahmed Raza Khan, how is their congregational prayer valid in the two Haramain considering they collectively deem all its Imaams to be Wahabi, Kaafir and Ghustaakhe Rasool just like the Deobandis? And then I found out that there actually are Barelvis who do believe that and do not offer prayer with congregation even when visiting the Haramain. I thought what greater proof does one need about Allah

's rejection of your beliefs and deeds that you spend lakhs of rupees, travel thousands of miles away from your home to His Sacred House and His Messenger's yet He does not give you the tawfeeq to fulfill your most important duty to Allah

as a Muslim i.e, offering your five daily prayers with jamaat in the Ka'bah and in the Masjid-un-Nabawi.

**UTHZzJ6f** · 09-24-2009, 08:33 PM

Precisely. Unfortunately our Barelvi brothers have, for the longest time, a really bad habit of issuing fatawas of takfir and ghustaakhe-rasool left and right even at the smallest of disagreements. And I really despise their arrogance and self-righteousness in calling constantly calling themselves "Aashique-e-Rasool". As for their akhlaaq, well, that much is open for the entire Ummah to see and judge for itself.

the oppsite side of a coin like salafis.

Salafi= bidah-shirk / barelwis: gustakh gustakh
Salafi = am salafi follow salaf / barelwi: am ashique rasul, i love rasul(sw).

**Broker15015** · 09-24-2009, 09:18 PM

the oppsite side of a coin like salafis.

Salafi= bidah-shirk / barelwis: gustakh gustakh
Salafi = am salafi follow salaf / barelwi: am ashique rasul, i love rasul(sw).

With a bit correction:

barelwi: am ashique rasul, Only i love rasul(sw)

Assalaam'aaleykum!

**sleepergun** · 09-29-2009, 09:50 AM

does anyone know of a alim who can debate him ..I can suggest one

Tahir Hussain Gyahvi..

second thoughts anyone?

**Zdmlscid** · 09-29-2009, 10:03 AM

does anyone know of a alim who can debate him ..I can suggest one

Tahir Hussain Gyahvi..

second thoughts anyone?

I have a very lengthy video of a public debate of Maulana Tahir Hussain making mincemeat of Barelvis in Bihar. He was so good in fact, that he even taught a thing or two to the judges as well.

I've heard a couple more of his solo speeches against Barelvis and Salafis as well. He has a great sense of humor and is an absolute delight to hear.

**Uciaucrx** · 09-29-2009, 10:49 AM

does anyone know of a alim who can debate him ..I can suggest one

Tahir Hussain Gyahvi..

second thoughts anyone?

you are takling as if he is Ameen Safdar Owkarvi no one can debate him ,,,, yaar these brelvis are so dumb even a malang like me can kick ...... khair i can easly debate him on ibarat .... and our hazrat Hafiz Moulana mufti cool80 sahab dbh is ready to debate him ,,.,,,

**Uciaucrx** · 09-29-2009, 10:52 AM

I have a very lengthy video of a public debate of Maulana Tahir Hussain making mincemeat of Barelvis in Bihar. He was so good in fact, that he even taught a thing or two to the judges as well.

I've heard a couple more of his solo speeches against Barelvis and Salafis as well. He has a great sense of humor and is an absolute delight to hear.

can you upload those videos, and if they are uploaded can you link me if you are from india i heard there was a munazara between deobandis and brelvis and brelvis lost badly there long ago and it was recorded and i heard its as big as 20 video cessattes ... can you find out about that too

**sleepergun** · 09-30-2009, 10:22 AM

can you upload those videos, and if they are uploaded can you link me if you are from india i heard there was a munazara between deobandis and brelvis and brelvis lost badly there long ago and it was recorded and i heard its as big as 20 video cessattes ... can you find out about that too

Is there any alim in Pakistan who can debate him..

Can Barelvi supporters on this forum get Mufti Hanif Qureshi face to face with
Deobandis..Let this debate be video recorded and Let the whole world know who is on Haq..

Just shouting from Stages with pitch of 200 decibels doesn't mean a person is on the right path...

**Broker15015** · 09-30-2009, 01:05 PM

Is there any alim in Pakistan who can debate him..

Can Barelvi supporters on this forum get Mufti Hanif Qureshi face to face with
Deobandis..Let this debate be video recorded and Let the whole world know who is on Haq..

Just shouting from Stages with pitch of 200 decibels doesn't mean a person is on the right path...

Assalaam'aaleykum!

Ha haa haaa! You said it all, Bro!

**liontutuxx** · 09-30-2009, 09:48 PM

Is there any alim in Pakistan who can debate him..

Can Barelvi supporters on this forum get Mufti Hanif Qureshi face to face with
Deobandis..Let this debate be video recorded and Let the whole world know who is on Haq..

Just shouting from Stages with pitch of 200 decibels doesn't mean a person is on the right path...

Moulana Ilyas ghuman or Moulana Ismail Muhammadi can debate this guy for sure.

**Zdmlscid** · 09-30-2009, 10:07 PM

can you upload those videos, and if they are uploaded can you link me if you are from india i heard there was a munazara between deobandis and brelvis and brelvis lost badly there long ago and it was recorded and i heard its as big as 20 video cessattes ... can you find out about that too

I don't think I can upload the videos - it comprises of 10 discs of at least an hour each.

**22CreessGah** · 09-30-2009, 10:57 PM

Asslamo Allaikum,

I went to school in Pakistan and all text books say "Hazrat Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)" while the Barelwees call Maulana Ala-Hazrat (meaning Super-Hazrat) , why is that?

09-22-2009, 07:36 PM	#1
shieclulaweew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Refutation of Barelwi Mufti Hanif Qureshi Do only I feel the dire need for someone genuine to come up and slap this guy awake again?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkQ3ePFIxrI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdHJXne_zo Please contribute even if you can refute only a few or even one of these allegations (I posted only links to the first parts of both Bayanaat, but you need to check all parts to listen the nonsense he utters.) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-22-2009, 08:01 PM	#2
tyclislavaify Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 407 Senior Member	i have seen his munazra (debate ) with Dr. Talib Ur Rehman ( Ahle Hadees ) , he proved Shah Walli Ullah to be Ahle HAdees and gave his fatwa that Shah Walli ullah , ahle hadees , deobandis all are kafir Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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EmpaccalGah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	inshallah working on it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-22-2009, 09:22 PM	#4
artkolkovk Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Please contribute even if you can refute only a few or even one of these allegations (I posted only links to the first parts of both Bayanaat, but you need to check all parts to listen the nonsense he utters.) Is there anything in particular you need answered? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-22-2009, 10:03 PM	#5
QWNPdpr5 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	I used to be interested in all the debates, well i still am, but if there's anything which these guys say which bother you just go back to the qur'an and sunnah Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-24-2009, 06:47 AM	#6
shieclulaweew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 436 Senior Member	Is there anything in particular you need answered? No, nothing in particular... actually I was quite disturbed about almost everything he said. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-24-2009, 05:53 PM	#7
Broker15015 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	Do only I feel the dire need for someone genuine to come up and slap this guy awake again?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkQ3ePFIxrI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MdHJXne_zo Please contribute even if you can refute only a few or even one of these allegations (I posted only links to the first parts of both Bayanaat, but you need to check all parts to listen the nonsense he utters.) Have you heard of a saying 'Empty vessels make the loudest noise'? The very same applies to Janab Hanif Qureishi and Barelawi Associates. No matter how loud they shout about their Aqeedah to be in accordance with Ahle-Sunnah-Wal Jama'at, but, they would never be able to get on with it. The amount of Biddah Barelwis have introduced is a well know fact. And yes! The contribution of Ulema-e-Deoband to the Deen is beyond any comparison. Barelwis don't stand anywhere near to Deobandis. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-24-2009, 05:57 PM	#8
Broker15015 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	And sad irony is that they call themselves Aashique-e-Rasool but do not exhibit iota of Akhalaq of their Mehboob. Did anyone notice he used the word 'Kaminey' in the first video? Be it on y-a-n-a-b-i or any other Barelwi community/forum, you would see the same temperament amongst them. Gaali galoch is no big deal for them. Our Ulemas have never used and would never use such a cheap language even for the worst of the enemies. Assalaam'aaleykum! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-24-2009, 06:55 PM	#9
Zdmlscid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	And sad irony is that they call themselves Aashique-e-Rasool but do not exhibit iota of Akhalaq of their Mehboob. Did anyone notice he used the word 'Kaminey' in the first video? Be it on y-a-n-a-b-i or any other Barelwi community/forum, you would see the same temperament amongst them. Gaali galoch is no big deal for them. Our Ulemas have never used and would never use such a cheap language even for the worst of the enemies. Assalaam'aaleykum! Precisely. Unfortunately our Barelvi brothers have, for the longest time, a really bad habit of issuing fatawas of takfir and ghustaakhe-rasool left and right even at the smallest of disagreements. And I really despise their arrogance and self-righteousness in calling constantly calling themselves "Aashique-e-Rasool". As for their akhlaaq, well, that much is open for the entire Ummah to see and judge for itself. Last year, I had read about "A'la Hadthrat" Ahmed Raza Khan Barelvi's fatwa of kufr on the Ulama of Deoband and the whole "Hussaam Haramain" incident and this Ramadan it got me thinking - since our Barelvi brothers do blind taqleed of Ahmed Raza Khan, how is their congregational prayer valid in the two Haramain considering they collectively deem all its Imaams to be Wahabi, Kaafir and Ghustaakhe Rasool just like the Deobandis? And then I found out that there actually are Barelvis who do believe that and do not offer prayer with congregation even when visiting the Haramain. I thought what greater proof does one need about Allah 's rejection of your beliefs and deeds that you spend lakhs of rupees, travel thousands of miles away from your home to His Sacred House and His Messenger's yet He does not give you the tawfeeq to fulfill your most important duty to Allah as a Muslim i.e, offering your five daily prayers with jamaat in the Ka'bah and in the Masjid-un-Nabawi. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-24-2009, 08:33 PM	#10
UTHZzJ6f Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Precisely. Unfortunately our Barelvi brothers have, for the longest time, a really bad habit of issuing fatawas of takfir and ghustaakhe-rasool left and right even at the smallest of disagreements. And I really despise their arrogance and self-righteousness in calling constantly calling themselves "Aashique-e-Rasool". As for their akhlaaq, well, that much is open for the entire Ummah to see and judge for itself. the oppsite side of a coin like salafis. Salafi= bidah-shirk / barelwis: gustakh gustakh Salafi = am salafi follow salaf / barelwi: am ashique rasul, i love rasul(sw). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-24-2009, 09:18 PM	#11
Broker15015 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	the oppsite side of a coin like salafis. Salafi= bidah-shirk / barelwis: gustakh gustakh Salafi = am salafi follow salaf / barelwi: am ashique rasul, i love rasul(sw). With a bit correction: barelwi: am ashique rasul, Only i love rasul(sw) Assalaam'aaleykum! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-29-2009, 09:50 AM	#12
sleepergun Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 615 Senior Member	does anyone know of a alim who can debate him ..I can suggest one Tahir Hussain Gyahvi.. second thoughts anyone? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-29-2009, 10:03 AM	#13
Zdmlscid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	does anyone know of a alim who can debate him ..I can suggest one Tahir Hussain Gyahvi.. second thoughts anyone? I have a very lengthy video of a public debate of Maulana Tahir Hussain making mincemeat of Barelvis in Bihar. He was so good in fact, that he even taught a thing or two to the judges as well. I've heard a couple more of his solo speeches against Barelvis and Salafis as well. He has a great sense of humor and is an absolute delight to hear. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-29-2009, 10:49 AM	#14
Uciaucrx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	does anyone know of a alim who can debate him ..I can suggest one Tahir Hussain Gyahvi.. second thoughts anyone? you are takling as if he is Ameen Safdar Owkarvi no one can debate him ,,,, yaar these brelvis are so dumb even a malang like me can kick ...... khair i can easly debate him on ibarat .... and our hazrat Hafiz Moulana mufti cool80 sahab dbh is ready to debate him ,,.,,, Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-29-2009, 10:52 AM	#15
Uciaucrx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	I have a very lengthy video of a public debate of Maulana Tahir Hussain making mincemeat of Barelvis in Bihar. He was so good in fact, that he even taught a thing or two to the judges as well. I've heard a couple more of his solo speeches against Barelvis and Salafis as well. He has a great sense of humor and is an absolute delight to hear. can you upload those videos, and if they are uploaded can you link me if you are from india i heard there was a munazara between deobandis and brelvis and brelvis lost badly there long ago and it was recorded and i heard its as big as 20 video cessattes ... can you find out about that too Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-30-2009, 10:22 AM	#16
sleepergun Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 615 Senior Member	can you upload those videos, and if they are uploaded can you link me if you are from india i heard there was a munazara between deobandis and brelvis and brelvis lost badly there long ago and it was recorded and i heard its as big as 20 video cessattes ... can you find out about that too Is there any alim in Pakistan who can debate him.. Can Barelvi supporters on this forum get Mufti Hanif Qureshi face to face with Deobandis..Let this debate be video recorded and Let the whole world know who is on Haq.. Just shouting from Stages with pitch of 200 decibels doesn't mean a person is on the right path... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-30-2009, 01:05 PM	#17
Broker15015 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	Is there any alim in Pakistan who can debate him.. Can Barelvi supporters on this forum get Mufti Hanif Qureshi face to face with Deobandis..Let this debate be video recorded and Let the whole world know who is on Haq.. Just shouting from Stages with pitch of 200 decibels doesn't mean a person is on the right path... Assalaam'aaleykum! Ha haa haaa! You said it all, Bro! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-30-2009, 09:48 PM	#18
liontutuxx Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 314 Senior Member	Is there any alim in Pakistan who can debate him.. Can Barelvi supporters on this forum get Mufti Hanif Qureshi face to face with Deobandis..Let this debate be video recorded and Let the whole world know who is on Haq.. Just shouting from Stages with pitch of 200 decibels doesn't mean a person is on the right path... Moulana Ilyas ghuman or Moulana Ismail Muhammadi can debate this guy for sure. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-30-2009, 10:07 PM	#19
Zdmlscid Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	can you upload those videos, and if they are uploaded can you link me if you are from india i heard there was a munazara between deobandis and brelvis and brelvis lost badly there long ago and it was recorded and i heard its as big as 20 video cessattes ... can you find out about that too I don't think I can upload the videos - it comprises of 10 discs of at least an hour each. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-30-2009, 10:57 PM	#20
22CreessGah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	Asslamo Allaikum, I went to school in Pakistan and all text books say "Hazrat Muhammad (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam)" while the Barelwees call Maulana Ala-Hazrat (meaning Super-Hazrat) , why is that? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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