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Old 10-05-2011, 07:16 PM   #1
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Default Age Of Aisha (R.A.) at the time of marriage?
QUESTION:
How old was Aisha (R.A.) when she married the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)? Did Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) marry a 9 year old?

ANSWER:

The Quran was written during the time of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) and its 100%
authentic! Nowhere in The Quran is it mentioned about the Prophet's(P.B.U.H.)
marriage!
But its mentioned in the Hadiths!

BUT LETS SEE WHAT THESE HADITHS SAY

The Prophet married Aisha (R.A.) 1 year after Hijrah! This is a known fact!

POINT 1 According to Sahih Bukhari (which is the most authentic) of the hadiths! According to Sahih Bukhari, Aisha (R.A.) is reported to have said that at the time
Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th Chapter of the Quran, was revealed, "I was a
young girl"
The 54th surah of The Quran was revealed nine years before Hijrah. So Aisha (R.A.) was a young girl (jariyah), and not an infant (sibyah) at that time! THE PROPHET MARRIED Aisha (R.A.) ONE YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO NOW WE KNOW SHE WAS A YOUNG GIRL, 9 YEARS BEFORE HIJRAH

SO EVEN IFFOR EXAMPLE SHE WAS 7 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE SAID "I WAS A YOUNG GIRL", THEN SHE MARRIED THE PROPHET 10 YEARS AFTER THAT! WHICH MEANS SHE WAS OVER 17 YEARS OLD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER! POINT 2 According to a number of narratives, Aisha (R.A.) accompanied the Muslims in the
Battle of Badr and Uhud. It was usual for women to accompany men in
battle so they can help in looking after the wounded.
It was a strict rule that noone under the age of 15 was allowed to accompany anyone in battle! BATTLE OF BADR WAS 2 YEARS AFTER HIJRAH AND BATTLE OF UHUD WAS 3 YEARS AFTER HIJRAH! REMEMBER PROPHET Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) MARRIED HER 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! WHICH MEANS SHE COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN 9 YEARS OLD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER! POINT 3 It is a known fact that the Asma, (the elder sister of Aisha (R.A.)) was 10 years
older than Aisha (R.A.). It is reported that Asma died 73 years after Hijrah when
she was 100 years old!

Now, Obviously if Asma was 100 years old 73 years after Hijrah, then Asma should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah! If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at Hijrah, then Aisha (R.A.) would be 17 or 18 years old at Hijrah! REMEMBER PROPHET Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) MARRIED Aisha (R.A.) 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO THAT MEANS Aisha (R.A.) WAS 18 OR 19 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE GOT MARRIED! POINT 4 Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (father
of Aisha (R.A.)) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born
during pre Islamic period!
If Aisha (R.A.) was born before in the Pre Islamic period, then she would be more than 13 years old during Hijrah! REMEMBER PROPHET MARRIED HER 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH,
WHICH MEANS SHE WOULD BE MORE THAT 14 YEARS OLD
DURING THE TIME OF MARRIAGE! POINT 5 According to Ibn Hisham, Aisha (R.A.) accepted Islam quite some time before
Umar ibn Khattab. Umar ibn Khattab accepted Islam roughly 7 years before
Hijrah!
Obviously, she would have been a young girl when she accpeted Islam!

If you add 7 years to a young girl! You can think for yourselves! REMEMBER PROPHET MARRIED HER 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! POINT 6 According to Ibn Hajar, Fathima (daughter of Prophet) was 5 years older than Aisha (R.A.)! Fathima was born more than 5 years before Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) was a Prophet! That means Fathima was born more than 19 years before Hijrah! PROPHET MARRIED Aisha (R.A.) ONE YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO THIS AGAIN PROVES Aisha (R.A.) WAS OVER 15 YEARS OLD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER! ALL THIS EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT Aisha (R.A.)
WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD WHEN THE
PROPHET MARRIED HER!

BUT WHERE DOES IT SAY SHE WAS 9 YEARS OLD?


The narratives saying Aisha (R.A.) was 9 years old at the time of marriage, are
reported only by a man named Hisham ibn Urwah reporting from what he
heard from his father!
If Hisham ibn Urwah was right then others would have also reported but Hisham ibn Urwah is the only person to report this! Hisham ibn Urwah lived in Medinah but its very fishy because there were so many others in Medinah including the Jews!
Even the Jews did not report any such thing!
If Prophet had married a 9 year old, obviously the Jews would have reported
or made a fuss because as we know Jews always wanted to destroy Islam! All the narratives saying Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) married a 9 year old have been
reported from Iraq! Hisham ibn Urwah moved to Iraq later and these
narratives come from Iraq! Hisham moved to Iraq when he was 71 years old!
We know Iraq was influenced by Shias! Shia Muslims don't like the Prophet!
We don't know if the narratives of Hisham ibn Urwah were influenced by
them!
The narratives of Hisham ibn Urwah where he says Aisha (R.A.) was 9 years old when she married the Prophet have all come from Iraq! WHAT DO OTHERS SAY ABOUT HISHAM IBN URWAH? Tehzibu'l-tehzib, a man who was one of the most well known people on the life and reliability of the narratives of the traditions of the Prophet!
What did he have to say about Hisham ibn Urwah's narrations?
According to Yaqub ibn Shaibah he said: "narratives reported by Hisham
which are reported through the people of Iraq are unreliable!
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:59 PM   #2
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Actually she was nine according to the authentic narrations in Sunni and Shia books as well as the opinion of the expert historians.

So don't waste your time...
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Old 10-05-2011, 09:06 PM   #3
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'Aisha was 6 years at the time of marriage and 9 years when the nikah was consummated. This revisionism in an attempt to placate non-Muslim sentiments does us no good.
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Old 10-05-2011, 09:18 PM   #4
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An expert Muhaddith from Egypt replies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JJ4io7n5Ho
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:36 PM   #5
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A useful summary containing some of the information mentioned by the scholar in the episode above can be downloaded from here:

Link: The Age of Aishah's Marriage Between Historians and Hadith Scholars

Some of the other chains mentioned for the Hadith (there are more):

1- Aishah → 'Urwah → Az-Zuhree → Mamar → Abdur Razaaq → Abd ibn Humaid → Muslim

2- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash→ Abu Mua’awiyah → Yahya ibn Yahya, Ishaaq ibn Ibraheem, Abu Bakr ibn Abee Shaibah and Abu Kuraib → Muslim

3- Aishah → Yahya (ibn Abdur Rahmaan ibn Haatib) → Muhammad (ibn Amr) → the father of U’baidullah ibn Muadh → Ubaidullah ibn Muadh → Abu Dawood

4- Aishah → Abu Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman → Muhammad ibn Ibraheem → I’mara ibn Ghazya → Yahya ibn Ayub → the paternal uncle of Ahmad ibn Sa’d ibn Al-Hakam ibn Abee Maryam → Ahmad ibn Sa’d ibn Al-Hakam ibn Abee Maryam → An-Nasaaee

5- Aishah → Abu U’baidah → Abu Ishaaq → Mutarrif → A'bthar → Qutaibah → An-Nasaaee

6- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash → Abu Mua’awiyah → Muhammad ibn Al-A'laa’ and Ahmad ibn Harb → An-Nasaaee

7- Abdullah → Abu Ubaidah → Abu Ishaaq → Israeel → Abu Ahmad→ Ahmad ibn Sinan → Ibn Majah

8- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash → Abu Mua’awiyah→ the father of Abdullah → Abdullah → Ahmad ibn Hanbal

9- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash → Abu Mua’awiyah → Yahya ibn Yahya → Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Al-Hajjaaj Al-Waraaq → Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Ya’qoub → Abu Abdullah Al-Haafidh → Al-Baihaqi

10- Jaabir → Yazeed ibn Jaabir → Abdullah ibn Abdur Rahman ibn Yazeed ibn Jaabir → Abu Mushar Abdul A’laa ibn Mushar → Ibraheem ibn Al-Hussain ibn Daizeel → Ahmad ibn U’baid ibn Ibraheem Al-Asdee, the Haafidh of Hamdan → Al-Haakim

11- Abdullah → Abu U’baidah → Abu Ishaaq→ Shareek → Yahya ibn Adam → Abdur Rahman ibn Saalih Al-Azdee → Muhammad ibn Moosaa ibn Hammaad Al-Barbaree
→ At-Tabaraani

12- Qataadah → Sa’eed ibn Abee U’roba → Zuhair ibn Ala’la Al-Qaisee → Ahmad ibn Al-Miqdaam → Muhammad ibn Ja’far ibn Ai’n Al-Baghdaadee → At-Tabaraani

13- Aishah → Al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad → Sa’d ibn Ibraheem → Sufyaan → Muhammad ibn Al-Hassan Al-Asdee → Al-Hassan ibn Sahal Al-Hannat → Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Hadramee → At-Tabaraani

14- Aishah → Abu U’baidah → Abu Ishaaq → Mutarrif → A’bthar ibn Al-Wasim → Sa’eed ibn Amr Al-Sha’athi → Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Hadramee → At-Tabaraani

15- Abu Maleekah → Abu Usaama → Al-Ajla’e Abdullah ibn U’mar ibn Abbaan → Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Hadramee → At-Tabaraani

16- Aishah → 'Urwah → Hisham ibn ’Urwah → Abdur Rahman → Sulaiman ibn Dawood → the father of Abdullah → Abdullah → Ahmad ibn Hanbal
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:49 PM   #6
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i think couple of similar threads already exist ...i will try to post their links.

i found similar threads..hope might help to answer ur query...

http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...+r.a.+marriage


http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...fication/page3
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:52 PM   #7
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'Aisha was 6 years at the time of marriage and 9 years when the nikah was consummated. This revisionism in an attempt to placate non-Muslim sentiments does us no good.
What is meant by an attempt to placate non muslim sentiments? Where do you get your facts from relating to the age of Aisha?
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Old 10-05-2011, 10:57 PM   #8
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Now since we're done with the opinions and Asaneed of Ahlul-Sunnah, let us reply to the Ithna 'Ashari Shia from their own books and from the authentic sayings of Ahlul-Bayt (as) according to their school:

1- Muwathaqa or Sahiha of Ibn Sinan from the Shaykh's chain to Hasan bin Sam'ah -
الوسائل ج19 ص365 وتهذيب الأحكام ج9 ص184 والكافي ج7 ص68

الحسن بن سماعة عن جعفر بن سماعة عن آدم بياع اللؤلؤ عن عبدالله بن سنان عن ابي عبدالله عليه السلام قال: اذا بلغ الغلام ثلاث عشرة سنة كتبت له الحسنة وكتبت عليه السيئة وعوقب وإذا بلغت الجارية تسع سنين فكذلك وذلك انها تحيض لتسع سنين

Hasan bin Sam'ah from Ja'far bin Sam'ah from Adam Lu'lui fro Abdillah bin Sinan from IMAM Abu Abdillah (a.s) who said: When a boy reaches 13 years good and evil deeds are recorded for him and when a girl reaches nine years likewise and that is because she begins menstruating at nine.

source: Wasael al-Shia 19/365, Tahtheeb al-Ahkam 9/184, al-Kafi 7/68.

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[75] 5 ـ وعن علي بن إبراهيم، عن محمد بن عيسى، عن يونس، عن أبي أيوب الخراز، عن إسماعيل بن جعفر ـ في حديث ـ أن رسول الله ( صلى الله عليه وآله ) دخل بعائشة وهي بنت عشر سنين، وليس يدخل بالجارية حتى تكون امرأة.

And from Ali b. Ibrahim from Muhammad b. `Isa from Yunus from Abu Ayyub al-Kharraz from Isma`il b. Ja`far in a hadith that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله entered upon (i.e. had intercourse with) `A’isha and she was ten years old, and that one does not enter upon a girl until she is a woman.

Source:
Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 7 pg. 388 - 389, hadeeth # 1
Grading:
Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH
--> Mir'aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 24, pg. 235

There are more proofs from their books but I doubt you'll need any as these are enough, overall what we've presented answers Sunni and Shia deniers incha-Allah.

و السلام عليكم
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:09 AM   #9
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Is anyone able to address the OP's points directly? I also met the exact same arguements and wasnt sure how to deal with them dispite being pretty certain that they are just muslim attempts to please kuffar bgut irrespective of that, academic points were made and need to be addressed. My question to the OP is where is your evidence that suratul qamar was revealed at the time you claimed?
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:13 AM   #10
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there is a valid point that this hadeeth regarding ayesha's age is narrated from a sahaba and not narrated from ayesha herself or the prophet, so even though its in bukhari, it only means the chain is authenticly linked back to urwah. Its doesnt prove that urwah was correct in his oppinion.

Another question to the OP, can you give any examples in bukhari or muslim where things are authentically narrated by sahaba's but the sahaba were incorrect in their statement. For example, erroneous fiqh rulings (I believe some of the sahaba held mutah and music and other things to be halal for example, can this be traced back to bukhari or muslim?)
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:14 AM   #11
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Is anyone able to address the OP's points directly? I also met the exact same arguements and wasnt sure how to deal with them dispite being pretty certain that they are just muslim attempts to please kuffar bgut irrespective of that, academic points were made and need to be addressed. My question to the OP is where is your evidence that suratul qamar was revealed at the time you claimed?
Akhi I uploaded a small book for you guys in my post above, has anyone bothered to read it?

Link: The Age of Aishah's Marriage Between Historians and Hadith Scholars
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:17 AM   #12
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Akhi I uploaded a small book for you guys in my post above, has anyone bothered to read it?

Link: The Age of Aishah's Marriage Between Historians and Hadith Scholars
sorry akh i missed it for some reason. Gotta wait 50seconds for it to download. Does it directly answer the OP's points?
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:19 AM   #13
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there is a valid point that this hadeeth regarding ayesha's age is narrated from a sahaba and not narrated from ayesha herself or the prophet, so even though its in bukhari, it only means the chain is authenticly linked back to urwah. Its doesnt prove that urwah was correct in his oppinion.

Another question to the OP, can you give any examples in bukhari or muslim where things are authentically narrated by sahaba's but the sahaba were incorrect in their statement. For example, erroneous fiqh rulings (I believe some of the sahaba held mutah and music and other things to be halal for example, can this be traced back to bukhari or muslim?)
Akhi I posted the Asaneed above can't you see that it's narrated from Hisham ibn 'Urwah (rah) who heard it from 'Urwah ibn al-Zubair (ra) who heard it from 'Aisha (as)... thus it's in fact 'Aisha (ra) who is narrating this about herself.

Ibn 'Abbas (ra) held that Muta'ah was allowed in extreme cases but all the other companions (ra) disagreed with him and narrated what they heard from the Prophet SAWS in forbidding Muta'ah.
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:28 AM   #14
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Did I post something wrong?
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Old 10-06-2011, 12:31 AM   #15
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Did I post something wrong?
Salam Aleykum,

No you posted a Shubuha(Doubt) and we refuted it, no problem in this.

So be careful where you get your information from Akhi.
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Old 10-06-2011, 02:08 AM   #16
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Salam Aleykum,

No you posted a Shubuha(Doubt) and we refuted it, no problem in this.

So be careful where you get your information from Akhi.
Jazak Allah Kher!

I will InshAllah ...
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Old 10-06-2011, 06:48 AM   #17
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What is meant by an attempt to placate non muslim sentiments? Where do you get your facts from relating to the age of Aisha?
Many Muslims, being affected by the Western, non-Muslim lifestyle feel embarrassed and ashamed when the issue about the age of 'Aisha comes up, when Muslims should know that nothing from the sunnah of Rasoolullah is shameful or embarrassing. So, some of these Muslims try to find ways to explain away these 'embarrassing' sunnahs and in their efforts, trample over firm beliefs held by Muslims for centuries which are based on sound evidence.

The age of 'Aisha is proven from saheeh ahadeeth.

Also:

I am not saying all, but most people who try to say that 'Aisha was 18 or 17 or whatever are Qaadiyanis. In fact, if you look up the issue about the age of 'Aisha on Google, one of the first hits is to a Qaadiyani website.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:12 AM   #18
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Many Muslims, being affected by the Western, non-Muslim lifestyle feel embarrassed and ashamed when the issue about the age of 'Aisha comes up.


Sorry but if any Muslim feels "embarrassed" about the age of 'Aisha because of the western "standard age", he/she should check the acceptable age for marriage just 100 years ago in the western countries.

The US Supreme Court, in 1877 confirmed the Common Law (passed from the Roman Law to the Church to English Common Law) regarding the age of marriage that “between 7 years and puberty there could be consent but not consummation” until puberty, and no parental consent required from the age of 12. Ironically, age of marriage confirmed in 1877 was 2 years younger than that of 'Aisha 1400 years ago. Even today, this Common Law and such marriages are recognized in all 50 states in the US.

You can get all the details from this youtube and the mentioned original source of references in the video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEwmfIgSQQU

The non muslims who try to slander our beloved Prophet 's characters have nothing to back them up. And their "modern civilised society" are so screwed for example on the law regarding bestiality;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bestiality

"In many jurisdictions, all forms of zoosexual acts are prohibited; others outlaw only the mistreatment of animals, without specific mention of sexual activity. In some countries, such as Denmark, bestiality is not outlawed. It is currently illegal in Canada, Netherlands, 32 U.S. states,[21] Australia, the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Turkey and Ghana. In the UK, Section 63 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (also known as the Extreme Pornography Act) outlaws images of a person performing or appearing to perform an act of intercourse or oral sex with an animal (whether dead or alive).[22] Countries such as Belgium, Germany, and Russia are somewhere in between: they permit sexual activity with animals, but prohibit the promotion of animal-oriented pornography."

And they have the nerve to slander our beloved Prophet and the Mother of the Believers 'Aisha ?

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Old 10-06-2011, 04:02 PM   #19
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@TRIPOLI SUNNI Salam alie kum

Firstly, I would like to say that, just because it's written in hadith (sunni or shia) books, doesn't neccesarry mean it has to be 100% true. Hadith books were written many years after the Holy Prophet (s) passed away.

Secondly, my best friend is a shia. He has Usool Kafi and he has looked at the reference you have provided regarding this topic, and found no such thing. Please don't tell me he is just lying to me. I have known him all my life and to tell you the truth, he is one of the most honest guys I have ever met, even more honest than my own sunni brothers.

Thirdly, my shia friend also stated that Shia's only hold the quran as 100% accurate. Everything else written, is subject to scrutiny and verification. So according to him, if there are any hadith in any authentic books, this does not automatically make it 100% correct.

He said this is a big lie and slander against the Holy Prophet (S) and that the enemies of Islam have forged this hadith to make Islam look bad and to laugh at us. ALso we are just to blind and brainwashed to see this just because it's written in Buhkari.
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Old 10-06-2011, 04:20 PM   #20
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Why would the enemies of Islam have to forge any such thing? Marriages at such a young age were not uncommon during those times.
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