[BloofPailafum]

what is the defenition of biddah as many people have memorised the words biddah and shirk so i want to know the exact meaning of biddah?
and if there are any types of biddah etc?

[Ngwkgczx]

.....please, this is a request, can you tell us what you think is biddah?

[BloofPailafum]

.....please, this is a request, can you tell us what you think is biddah?

brother i belive that biddah means innovation, however there are two types of biddah some good and some bad and this is agreed by many scholars.

now can you please define biddah?

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Salam,

Anything which is added or subtracted from the religion without proof leads to misguidance, that is Bida'ah.

[BloofPailafum]

Salam,

Anything which is added or subtracted from the religion without proof leads to misguidance, that is Bida'ah.

brother biddah which means innovation(new thing) will most likely not have any proof. but if it is good and agreed uopn will that still be a biddah.

do you belive that there are good and bad biddah?

[Ngwkgczx]

brother i think your making somekind of mistake, this is not the topic of this thread, as aqeedah is concerned it comes before amal and aqeedah is a massive part of din , if it is not correct then what significance do our amal hold.

this post was meant for another thread...I have deleted it....LOL...Please delete your post that quotes it as well....My bad

[amberamuletuk]

brother i belive that biddah means innovation, however there are two types of biddah some good and some bad and this is agreed by many scholars.

now can you please define biddah?

Peace,
Here a defination from Quran: associating with Allah, for which he hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge.



قُلۡ إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ رَبِّىَ ٱلۡفَوَٲحِشَ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنۡہَا وَمَا بَطَنَ وَٱلۡإِثۡمَ وَٱلۡبَغۡىَ بِغَيۡرِ ٱلۡحَقِّ وَأَن تُشۡرِكُواْ بِٱللَّهِ مَا لَمۡ يُنَزِّلۡ بِهِۦ سُلۡطَـٰنً۬ا وَأَن تَقُولُواْ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعۡلَمُونَ (٣٣)


Say: The things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; associating with Allah, for which he hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge. (7-33)

Salam,

Anything which is added or subtracted from the religion without proof leads to misguidance, that is Bida'ah.

I agree with your understanding; however, what do you mean by "without Proof"?

Peace

[BloofPailafum]

Peace,
Here a defination from Quran: associating with Allah, for which he hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge.



قُلۡ إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ رَبِّىَ ٱلۡفَوَٲحِشَ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنۡہَا وَمَا بَطَنَ وَٱلۡإِثۡمَ وَٱلۡبَغۡىَ بِغَيۡرِ ٱلۡحَقِّ وَأَن تُشۡرِكُواْ بِٱللَّهِ مَا لَمۡ يُنَزِّلۡ بِهِۦ سُلۡطَـٰنً۬ا وَأَن تَقُولُواْ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعۡلَمُونَ (٣٣)


Say: The things that my Lord hath indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; associating with Allah, for which he hath given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge. (7-33)






I agree with your understanding; however, what do you mean by "without Proof"?

Peace

brother what if something is within the boundaries set by the ayah but still has no proof from the sahabah and tabieen would that still be a evil biddah.

do you believe that there are two types of biddah if no i can provide refrences from famous scholars.

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I agree with your understanding; however, what do you mean by "without Proof"?

Peace

Salam,

Example:

We do not celebrate Christmas in Islam, if I began celebrating Christmas and calling other Muslims to celebrate it with me and attacking those who do not celebrate it then I have introduced a new matter, if by any chance we find sufficient proof in the Quran or Hadith that the Prophet SAWS and his students did in fact celebrate other pagan rituals then I can use that to back up my call to celebrating Christmas.

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brother biddah which means innovation(new thing) will most likely not have any proof. but if it is good and agreed uopn will that still be a biddah.

do you belive that there are good and bad biddah?

Let's say if we agree on adding an extra Raka'ah to the 'Asr prayer, making it five instead of four Raka'at, would you consider this a good or bad Bida'ah?

[BloofPailafum]

Salam,

Example:

We do not celebrate Christmas in Islam, if I began celebrating Christmas and calling other Muslims to celebrate it with me and attacking those who do not celebrate it then I have introduced a new matter, if by any chance we find sufficient proof in the Quran or Hadith that the Prophet SAWS and his students did in fact celebrate other pagan rituals then I can use that to back up my call to celebrating Christmas.

so basically brother are you saying that anything which has no proof in quran and sunnah and is within the rules of religion and is invited upon is a biddah(evil one)

[BloofPailafum]

Let's say if we agree on adding an extra Raka'ah to the 'Asr prayer, making it five instead of four Raka'at, would you consider this a good or bad Bida'ah?

brother lets try to be realistic and use real examples it is obvious that this will not be agreed upon by scholars.

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brother lets try to be realistic and use real examples it is obvious that this will not be agreed upon by scholars.

How do you know what the future brings? what if they agree on it?

I mean can you give me one good reason as to why they wouldn't agree on it?

Also another point, in order to do a Bida'ah must all the scholars agree? for example "Mawlid" you're gonna tell me all the scholars agree on it?

[BloofPailafum]

How do you know what the future brings? what if they agree on it?

I mean can you give me one good reason as to why they wouldn't agree on it?

Also another point, in order to do a Bida'ah must all the scholars agree? for example "Mawlid" you're gonna tell me all the scholars agree on it?

in regards to mawlid no scholar has completely rejected it as far as im aware, lets try not to predict the future lets talk about current examples such as mawlid, do you think its a biddah and why?

[amberamuletuk]

Salam,

Example:

We do not celebrate Christmas in Islam, if I began celebrating Christmas and calling other Muslims to celebrate it with me and attacking those who do not celebrate it then I have introduced a new matter, if by any chance we find sufficient proof in the Quran or Hadith that the Prophet SAWS and his students did in fact celebrate other pagan rituals then I can use that to back up my call to celebrating Christmas.

Peace,
How about the Shiaa when memorizing the killing of Elhusain, do you consider this a Bediah?

[replicamuse]

brother biddah which means innovation(new thing) will most likely not have any proof. but if it is good and agreed uopn will that still be a biddah.

do you belive that there are good and bad biddah?

brother biddah which means innovation(new thing) will most likely not have any proof.

Very true. Biddah which means innovation (Some actions, events) in Religion without Proof from Allah & his messenger to worship or think that one can get reward by this.

but if it is good and agreed uopn will that still be a biddah.

Good according to whom? What is the definition Good and Bad Work in Islam?

do you belive that there are good and bad biddah?

Yes, People can classify this. But remember The best of the speech is embodied in the Book of Allah, and the beet of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. And the most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is error. [Muslim: Book 4, Number 1885: ]

If wee think there r sufficient examples of GOOD deed form our prophet then don't think what is Good or bad biddah. Just follow

Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 391:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Leave me as I leave you for the people who were before you were ruined because of their questions and their differences over their prophets. So, if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can."

[amberamuletuk]

brother what if something is within the boundaries set by the ayah but still has no proof from the sahabah and tabieen would that still be a evil biddah.

do you believe that there are two types of biddah if no i can provide refrences from famous scholars.

If within the boundaries of Quran Verse, then it is Good, regardless if other Moslem Sects do not practice it.

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in regards to mawlid no scholar has completely rejected it as far as im aware, lets try not to predict the future lets talk about current examples such as mawlid, do you think its a biddah and why?

No no they all agree it is a Bida'ah, some just say it's a good bida'ah.

Now back to 'Asr prayer, if you notice the definition of Bida'ah that I gave you above it does not include a consensus of scholars, so whether the scholars agree or not that a fifth Raka'ah is to be added I could care less, I will do it and I will call people to this and soon my entire village will start praying 'Asr five Raka'at and then this practise will spread and maybe in the future you'll have an entire sect within Ahlul-Sunnah who pray 'Asr as five Raka'at instead of four.

Now I need you to tell me why I shouldn't do this? imagine that I am a deviant sunni who prays five Raka'at of 'Asr what would you advise me?

[BloofPailafum]

Very true. Biddah which means innovation (Some actions, events) in Religion without Proof from Allah & his messenger to worship or think that one can get reward by this.




Good according to whom? What is the definition Good and Bad Work in Islam?



Yes, People can classify this. But remember The best of the speech is embodied in the Book of Allah, and the beet of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad. And the most evil affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is error. [Muslim: Book 4, Number 1885: ]

If wee think there r sufficient examples of GOOD deed form our prophet then don't think what is Good or bad biddah. Just follow

Bukhari: Volume 9, Book 92, Number 391:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Leave me as I leave you for the people who were before you were ruined because of their questions and their differences over their prophets. So, if I forbid you to do something, then keep away from it. And if I order you to do something, then do of it as much as you can."

1- are you saying biddah is only actions and events

2- if we must follow the prophet s.a.w and invent no new biddah regradless of good or bad then why has most of the ummah invented new biddahs in religion that were not there at the prophets s.a.w lifetime.

3- good and bad biddahs according to famous scholars

Imam Nawawi writes that there are certain types of Bid’ah. Two of them are Bid’ah Sayyiah and Bid’ah Hasanah. Bid’ah sayyiah is a Bid’ah that opposes the Qur’an and sunnah and Bidah Hasanah is a Bid’ah that is not against the Qur’an or Sunnah. For example:

To invent the usool (principle) of Hadeeth, usool of Fiqh, usool of Tafsir etc.

[Tahzeeb al Asma wal lughaat word Bid’ah by Imam Nawawi]

here clearly imam anawwawi states that there are good and bad biddahs and he r.a. also gave a example there are many other examples of such scholars

[BloofPailafum]

No no they all agree it is a Bida'ah, some just say it's a good bida'ah.

Now back to 'Asr prayer, if you notice the definition of Bida'ah that I gave you above it does not include a consensus of scholars, so whether the scholars agree or not that a fifth Raka'ah is to be added I could care less, I will do it and I will call people to this and soon my entire village will start praying 'Asr five Raka'at and then this practise will spread and maybe in the future you'll have an entire sect within Ahlul-Sunnah who pray 'Asr as five Raka'at instead of four.

Now I need you to tell me why I shouldn't do this? imagine that I am a deviant sunni who prays five Raka'at of 'Asr what would you advise me?

i would advise you to seek the help of your elder scholars and peple who you think are more knowledgable than you in order to see if this is allowed, lets talk about the mawlid as this is what people call it is a biddah when some groups of ahlusunnah practise it, i celebrate milad and i want to know why i am called a biddati and what the defenition of biddah is.