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Old 10-21-2011, 01:04 AM   #21
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yes but not the type of democracy they will ENFORCE upon the people of Libya, and slowly take there wealth.
not neccesarily. Gaddafi enriched himself and his family.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:04 AM   #22
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Dictators rule arbitarily based on thier whims and enrich only themselves and thier supporters. Atleast democracies have orderly transition of power and however imperfect reflect the people's opinions to certain extent.
That's because there is no transition of power...for example, in the US, Democrats and Republicans all serve the same special interests. They don't give a damn about "the people's opinions". Theoretically, they are supposed to, but we all know it doesn't happen in reality.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:05 AM   #23
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not neccesarily. Gaddafi enriched himself and his family.
Libya was one of the most highly developed countries in Africa, which actually used to provide aid to other less well off countries,
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:07 AM   #24
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Because it had oil wealth
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:13 AM   #25
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Libya was one of the most highly developed countries in Africa, which actually used to provide aid to other less well off countries,
There were also many wrongs committed by Gaddafi and his family.

The sad thing was he had a chance to implement God's law but he didn't take that opportunity. The love of the worldly wealth blinded him and his inner circles. At the end the West that he courted so much that betrayed and killed him.

Regardless of that, if he died as a Muslim, then let's hope that Allah will forgive his sins as how we would hope that we and all of the Muslims would be forgiven (as we all are sinners). If he died as a non-muslim, then he has to answer to all his actions and we are forbidden to make a dua for him.

As for Libya, let's hope and make dua that they will be able to implement sharia law.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:27 AM   #26
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As for Libya, let's hope and make dua that they will be able to implement sharia law.
You know NATO wont allow that, they will control what happens in Libya now.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:44 AM   #27
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You know NATO wont allow that, they will control what happens in Libya now.
NATO, zionists, christians and others will always want to hinder the implementation of sharia law. We've been warned about them in the Quran and also by the Prophet . Still we have to make efforts and dua that our brothers will be steadfast to implement the God's Law.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:38 AM   #28
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96% of the World media is under 6 Jewish Companies.
The headline is True but explanation of every accident / incident is fabricated.

Osama died as a natural death in 2007.


Where do you get your information from? The Taliban released a statement only this year confirming the recent shahadah of Bin Laden... And your statistic... hmm... care to prove it? Cause I don't think you can

Anyway, since Ghadaffi is dead, who cares? The man was crazy and killed innocent Muslims... isn't it a good thing he's dead?

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Old 10-21-2011, 12:18 PM   #29
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In the 1300 year history of caliphate Apart from the Khulafa Rashidin, Muawiya (RA), Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, how many caliphs were pious ?
I am talking about the post-caliphate leaders. I have no concern with Caliphs no matter how much pious were they.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:25 PM   #30
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Whenever I see muslim rulers blindly obeying America.....
Whenever I see muslim rulers not implementing Shariat.....
Whenever I see them doing evil stuff...

I think,

If I was in their place, would I be able to implement Shariah? Would I tell US to get lost?

I don't think so..........

I can't even fight my nafs for small things, How can I tell US to get lost?/

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Old 10-21-2011, 12:35 PM   #31
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How do you know that ? don't let anti-americanism blind you. We should stand for justice. Identity politics should not be confused with taqwa
According to media Osama died 7 times in different years, but as per ISI ex-Gen. Hamid Gul, he reported that osama died as natural death.
Gen. Hamid Gul is the one who trained Mujahideen against the soivent's invasion.

I am not against the public of any country or community or religion but to those who are incompetent and corrupt, and don't want any stabilization.
Who else don't want justice & equality, this Ummah is the most demanding it.
To me politics is just one word & that is Khilafah.
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:58 PM   #32
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Where do you get your information from? The Taliban released a statement only this year confirming the recent shahadah of Bin Laden... And your statistic... hmm... care to prove it? Cause I don't think you can

Anyway, since Ghadaffi is dead, who cares? The man was crazy and killed innocent Muslims... isn't it a good thing he's dead?

The reason why I was against Gaddafi was his Amazonian Guards, these things don't suit Muslim leader.

hmmm... now, which group of Taliban are you talking about? the real one or the paid one?

The fighters fighting in the occupied lands are the freedom fighters and you may call them as Mujahideen. But those who are jumping in the free states and calling everyone as infidel, doing blasts in schools, colleges, mosques and other worship places, markets, shrines, they are not Muslims even they didn't perform the circumcision and the weapons got from them was the same as used by an Indian Army. As, in Balochistan, now they are demanding a free, separate and independent state. FC general reported the same thing the weapons came from our neighbor country not from India but from Afghanistan, infact Indian army is supplying them via Afghanistan. That's why India is making strong tie with Karzai.
The presence of India in Afghanistan has proved this.
While I was on training in Peshawar my friend's dad was SSP Police. His father got a bunch of threats from Taliban calling them infidel, and he is a Muslim, use to pray.
The death of Gaddafi makes easier the ideology of Greater Israel. Don't u see they divided Sudan and make a new state South Sudan, Libya is divided into 3, Iraq into 2. They are reshaping the greater middle east to make greater israel.

Now, the date of Osama's death I got to know by a friend who is in politics and ex-Gen. Hamid Gul of ISI. I can't prove you cuz these things are not present with their evidences. LOL! US Nay seals killed him, buried in water and showed a pic. Why don't US Army killed him, as seals pay duty in the sea.
Now, don't tell me that Mossad was behind 9/11.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:11 PM   #33
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Whenever I see muslim rulers blindly obeying America.....
Whenever I see muslim rulers not implementing Shariat.....
Whenever I see them doing evil stuff...

I think,

If I was in their place, would I be able to implement Shariah? Would I tell US to get lost?

I don't think so..........

I can't even fight my nafs for small things, How can I tell US to get lost?/

While your reasoning is good... We should not forget that he rose to power in Lybia by fighting and overthrowing the Sanusi family, who, while not perfect, were practising Muslims who strove to keep the country as Islamic as they could in the face of pressure from the Kuffar. He fought to be in his position, that comes with a lot more responsibility.

May Allah forgive us all
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:19 PM   #34
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As, in Balochistan, now they are demanding a free, separate and independent state.
this is the feeling of many balauchis who have nothing to do with the taliban or any other group, they just feel hard done by the pakistani government and don't want anything to do with them
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:21 PM   #35
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A few minutes ago i saw video footage of the rebels dragging a seriously injured Qaddafi out of a pipe to an unknown location they were screaming ''Allahu Akbar'' and some were slapping him into his face but this makes me wonder what is the Islamic stance on just randomly beating and executing an obviously oppressive and evil Muslim ruler without him standing trial i mean have we become vigilantes or are we still people of law? that being said i do understand the emotions of the fighters/rebels.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:24 PM   #36
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A few minutes ago i saw video footage of the rebels dragging a seriously injured Qaddafi out of a pipe to an unknown location they were screaming ''Allahu Akbar'' and some were slapping him into his face but this makes me wonder what is the Islamic stance on just randomly beating and executing an obviously oppressive and evil Muslim ruler without him standing trial i mean have we become vigilantes or are we still people of law? that being said i do understand the emotions of the fighters/rebels.
Do You Believe al-Qaeda’s Claim Gaddafi is Dead?
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The corporate media is going into paroxysms over the supposed death of Muammar Gaddafi without much evidence beyond a couple blurry video captures taken from a cell phone.

So far, there has been zero independent verification of the claim. The NTC – otherwise known as al-Qaeda – said earlier today it has whisked off the body to a secret location for “security reasons.”

Despite the lack of evidence, the corporate media is now accepting Gaddafi’s death as fact. This is the same media that accepted the unconfirmed death of Osama bin Laden and told us Saddam had aluminum tubes of mass destruction.

Meanwhile, as the corporate media parades the morbid image and celebrates murder, the Green Charter Movement in Jamahiriya claims Gaddafi is alive. From Gaddafi’s very own propaganda outlet, the Mathaba News Agency:

Green Committees have confirmed that the leader is alive, and that the enemy is seeking to take advantage of his being currently out of communications. The aim is to please Hillary Clinton who barked at her Arab slaves that she wants Muammar Qaddafi “dead or alive.”



Mathaba claims “NATO and Clinton are desperate to show a ‘victory’ in Libya, by way of a compliant media, and the NTC is anxious to provide that ‘victory’ for their masters, in order to secure further support. The NTC leaders and their factions are all fighting amongst each other, and are dissatisfied with the spoils, which so far have not been forthcoming due to the armed population putting up a fierce resistance, and the globalist bankers being unable to keep their promises to the Libyan traitors.”

Minus any evidence either way, this makes as much sense as al-Qaeda’s boast that it captured Gaddafi and he died as a result of wounds suffered as a result of a NATO assault on his convoy attempting to flee the heavily damaged city of Sirte.

Gaddafi’s body will probably never be offered by NTC-Qaeda for independent verification. In the days ahead, the government and the establishment media will declare victory, Clinton and Obama will make speeches, and Libya will descend into chaos because, as Rumsfeld said about Iraq, “democracy is messy.”
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:26 PM   #37
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See the footage for yourself:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/1...l__.html?p=3,1

A lot of so called conspiracy theories are obvious nonsense,
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:27 PM   #38
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A few minutes ago i saw video footage of the rebels dragging a seriously injured Qaddafi out of a pipe to an unknown location they were screaming ''Allahu Akbar'' and some were slapping him into his face but this makes me wonder what is the Islamic stance on just randomly beating and executing an obviously oppressive and evil Muslim ruler without him standing trial i mean have we become vigilantes or are we still people of law? that being said i do understand the emotions of the fighters/rebels.
If it is a valid uprising against the corrupt ruler, then people get killed in battle... Qadhafi being one of them.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:35 PM   #39
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If it is a valid uprising against the corrupt ruler, then people get killed in battle... Qadhafi being one of them.
To me it appears they just executed him i mean they could have taken him alive since he was alive when they captured him also some pseudo Media sources claim Al Qaida captured him.
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Old 10-21-2011, 05:40 PM   #40
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this is the feeling of many balauchis who have nothing to do with the taliban or any other group, they just feel hard done by the pakistani government and don't want anything to do with them
It is not the feeling of many balochis in balochistan. The few people sell their souls for just few bucks. BLA - Balochistan Liberation Army is the terrorist organization. I have a friend from turbat, balochistan. he says that all of this is just the game plan, made by India and running by Bughti tribe.
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