[TEFSADDERFISA]

Happy Birthday!!!!

[Ngwkgczx]

Happy Birthday!!!!

[Sanremogirl]

Peace all,

No one has the authority to declare anything haram except ALLAH. If someone claims this authority, then he or she makes himself equal to Allah...Moreover, if we follow this person, then we commit the greatest sin, which is Shirk!

Please be aware of what you post.

Thank you

This is off topic, but why do you prefer greeting with "Peace" all the time instead of "salam or /assalamualikum wrb"?

I guess it is almost exactly the same but feels kinda odd here.

[jimbomaxf]

A few quotes which please reflect upon sincerely.

4: 115 - If anyone contends with the Messenger after the Guidance has been plainly conveyed to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We shall leave him in the path he has chosen, and land him in Hell: What an evil abode

- Be different from the disbelievers (Sahihayn)

- Whoever imitates a people is one of them (Sahih, Musnad Ahmed)

- You will follow the ways of those nations who preceded you very closely; even if they entered a lizard's hole you would follow them into it. (Sahih Bukhari - Volume 4, Book 56, Number 771 )

[TerriLS]

wishing each other happy birthdays is wrong, it is the culture of the kuffaar and we are different from them, and supposed to be proud of it!!! theres is absoulutely nooo necessity or scope in islaam 2 celebrate birthdays. Period.

Why do we luv to make the kuffaar our role-models instead of making the sahaaba and pious people our role-models?

and why do we luv justifying our wrongs? if anyone wants to wish sum1 a lousy happy birthday, do it - make tauba, and accept that its not part of islaam... but don't come here and say that its nothing wrong in islaam and carry on like as if the scholars missed it in the hadeeth or sumthing!

[jimbomaxf]

Why do we luv to make the kuffaar our role-models instead of making the sahaaba and pious people our role-models?

A thought provoking sentiment.

Reflect and think.

[w4HPpbSW]

wishing each other happy birthdays is wrong, it is the culture of the kuffaar and we are different from them, and supposed to be proud of it!!! theres is absoulutely nooo necessity or scope in islaam 2 celebrate birthdays. Period.

Why do we luv to make the kuffaar our role-models instead of making the sahaaba and pious people our role-models?

and why do we luv justifying our wrongs? if anyone wants to wish sum1 a lousy happy birthday, do it - make tauba, and accept that its not part of islaam... but don't come here and say that its nothing wrong in islaam and carry on like as if the scholars missed it in the hadeeth or sumthing!

You should probably stop writing as though you are 'street' or 'cool' because those are ideals of the kuffar. The illiterate kuffar invented spellings such as: 'sum1', 'luv' and 'sumthing'. Why imitate them?

[TOD4wDTQ]

The evidence in the Qur’aan and Sunnah indicates that celebrating birthdays is a kind of bid’ah or innovation in religion, which has no basis in the pure sharee’ah. It is not permitted to accept invitations to birthday celebrations, because this involves supporting and encouraging bid’ah. Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Or have they partners with Allaah (false gods) who have instituted for them a religion which Allaah has not allowed…?” [al-Shoora 42:21]

“Then We have put you (O Muhammad) on a plain way of (Our) commandment. So follow that, and follow not the desires of those who know not. Verily, they can avail you nothing against Allaah (if He wants to puish you). Verily, the zaalimoon (wrongdoers) are awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, etc.) to one another, but Allaah is the Wali (Protector, Helper) of the muttaqoon (pious).” [al-Jaathiyah 45:18-19]

“Follow what has been sent down unto you from your Lord, and follow not any awliyaa’ (protectors, helpers, etc.) besides Him. Little do you remember!” [al-A’raaf 7:3]

According to saheeh reports, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does something that is a not part of this matter of ours (i.e., Islam) will have it rejected” (reported by Muslim in his Saheeh); and “The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The most evil of things are those which have been newly invented (in religion), and every innovation is a going astray.” There are many other ahaadeeth that convey the same meaning.

Besides being bid’ah and having no basis in sharee’ah, these birthday celebrations also involve imitation of the Jews and Christians in their birthday celebrations. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, warning us against following their ways and traditions: “You would follow the ways of those who came before you step by step, to such an extent that if they were to enter a lizard’s hole, you would enter it too.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, (do you mean) the Jews and Christians?” He said, “Who else?” (Reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also said: “Whoever imitates a people is one of them.”(/font>

Fataawa Islamiyyah, 1/115

InshaAllah hope this answers your question...

Wasalam

[Slonopotam845]

While I'm not a big fan of birthdays, we must admit that this is an issue where the ´ulama differ, and it's not as clear cut as let's say... celebrating Diwali.

[TerriLS]

While I'm not a big fan of birthdays, we must admit that this is an issue where the ´ulama differ, and it's not as clear cut as let's say... celebrating Diwali.

really? which ulama say its permissable to celebrate birthdays, if i may ask?

[Rffkwfct]

Think of it this way: a good practicing/worshiping Muslim who does good in his life has nothing to fear. For, he is 1 year closer to possible death and 1 year closer to Allah(s.w.t.).

Congratulating somebody on their birthday has no religious significance. It is the same as congratulating somebody who just gave birth, finished graduate or medical school, just graduated college. It is a mere form of showing somebody that you are proud of their accomplishments. Doing the exact opposite of something people in the west do because they contradict your principles, or whatever, is incredibly foolish. Would you not go to school, or university, just because people in the west do it too?

Let's remember one important thing, the Qur'an is for all periods of time. Meaning, everything in the Qur'an applies to every situation in any point in time. If something is said to be haraam in Qur'an, then it is absolutely haraam, since the Qur'an is the absolute word of Allah. If it is not mentioned to be haraam in the Qur'an, then what is the point of saying something is haraam?

[makemoneyonli]

Think of it this way: a good practicing/worshiping Muslim who does good in his life has nothing to fear. For, he is 1 year closer to possible death and 1 year closer to Allah(s.w.t.).

Congratulating somebody on their birthday has no religious significance. It is the same as congratulating somebody who just gave birth, finished graduate or medical school, just graduated college. It is a mere form of showing somebody that you are proud of their accomplishments. Doing the exact opposite of something people in the west do because they contradict your principles, or whatever, is incredibly foolish. Would you not go to school, or university, just because people in the west do it too?

Let's remember one important thing, the Qur'an is for all periods of time. Meaning, everything in the Qur'an applies to every situation in any point in time. If something is said to be haraam in Qur'an, then it is absolutely haraam, since the Qur'an is the absolute word of Allah. If it is not mentioned to be haraam in the Qur'an, then what is the point of saying something is haraam?

Yes, mix apples and oranges here. If you search this forum, you will find many threads where brothers and sisters post amazing ideas of how muslims should behave in universities/schools. We might go where non muslims go for jobs/education etc but even there muslims are muslims, and do their best to remain muslims.

A simple way to avoid greeting Happy Birthday is, I just tell my friends, May Allah bless you today and always. We are always encouraged to do duas for our brothers/sisters right?

[TOD4wDTQ]

but it does make life easier, unlike wishing someone happy birthday. and its not a bid'ah or the culture of the kuffaar or anything so i don't see whats wrong (in islaam) with it...
And i wont justify it, if you or some scholar proves that its haraam!

Firstly It in not bid'ah however it is a kind of bid'ah...
Secondly It is believed that Kuffar celebrate and wish happy birthday hence it is the culture of a kuffar

[Rffkwfct]

Yes, mix apples and oranges here. If you search this forum, you will find many threads where brothers and sisters post amazing ideas of how muslims should behave in universities/schools. We might go where non muslims go for jobs/education etc but even there muslims are muslims, and do their best to remain muslims.

A simple way to avoid greeting Happy Birthday is, I just tell my friends, May Allah bless you today and always. We are always encouraged to do duas for our brothers/sisters right?

Many on this forum, probably, have this view:

It is believed that Kuffar celebrate and wish happy birthday hence it is the culture of a kuffar

The university system was invented by the kuffar way before the revelation of Islam. Therefore, it is the culture of the kuffar.

My analogy is the same exact thing. Nobody is mixing apples and oranges.

[Rffkwfct]

Happy Birth day to you, happy birth day to YA, Happy Birthday to ya as Stevie wonder sings and I am singing along with it

University system is invented by Kuffar. Perhaps you haven't don't much about history. The entire academia is based on Darul ulm of the past.

I did not know the Platonic Academy was after Allah(Swt) revealed Islam to us. How about the Taxila? What was that? How about the Academy of Gondishapur? How about the various Babylonian/Byzantine universities?

What do you the Darul ulum was influenced by?

Perhaps you haven't don't much about history.

[Rffkwfct]

This is the first I have heard of babylonian university. There were always teachers but the system of studies i.e faculty system, deen of faculty is based on Darul ulm. The term Shaikh ul hadith, muhaddith etc are similar classificaiton which was later adopted by the western academia.

As for taxila, godishpur, please eleborate as I am not aware of them. Anyway, wisdom is lost animal for believer so no harm adopting such thing if it helps to provide a systematic approach to relegious scinece.
Allahualam

The Academy of Gondishapur is the academy that invented everything you just listed, dean of faculty, system of studies, etc.

[Grizli]

Can we not enjoy some of the simple things in life? Acknowledging a loved ones birthday and havinh cake and some candles. It is a very innocent thing. Analysing things to death does nobody any good.

[delnisfernan]

Some of us are geek in relegious sense and would like to see deeper meanining in everything.
As for me, I like eating cakes with candle without candle, with singalong and withoutsingalong!!
I would like to wish happy B.day to Sunniforum in advance and all the scholars and contributer. I wish
there is not cake for me to munch on : (.

Can we not enjoy some of the simple things in life? Acknowledging a loved ones birthday and havinh cake and some candles. It is a very innocent thing. Analysing things to death does nobody any good.

[JonnTEN]

nomadic saab mashallah nice shariah u follow bro and then you go on about salafi secularists etc. Mashallah we should arrange a proper singalong for u...the brelvis do a nice big birthdaycake with candles and nice qawwals...maybe you should pop down to their majlis. Deen has come to teach us everything even about going to the toilet so if that makes us a geek than thats all well and good. Bro who is your shaykh in tariqa if you don't mind me asking?

[delnisfernan]

London786
You lot are so serious. I am not secularist, modernist but simply do not see nothing wrong eating cakes. So what I sing H.Bday. I know it is Life-1 year and I don't have any instrument to accompany my singalong. Perhaps I should get back to my Saxophone to accopmany it which I got rid of long time ago. I know the relegious reason for being against this practice but i like cakes as long as it has halal ingredients init. This can't be wrong!